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Re: Update on Cages and Recall - PART TWO [Re: Gizmogirl] #1122033
05/31/11 10:39 PM
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I've had the same thoughts, Kim...and wonder how many people out there just don't know what's going on. frown

Re: Update on Cages and Recall - PART TWO [Re: Gizmogirl] #1122055
05/31/11 11:13 PM
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We thoroughly washed our Martins cage with high pressure and hot water at the carwash. We doubt anything could have been left on the wire and believe it must be in the coating and they chewed the wire. We saw no issues until we placed Taz in with Rocky. Rocky spent 1 week in the cage before Taz went in and Taz started having tremors 3 weeks later. Taz died and Rocky was removed after his trip to the vet so we could better keep an eye on him. Rocky never had tremors as bad as Taz.


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Re: Update on Cages and Recall - PART TWO [Re: Feather] #1122057
05/31/11 11:16 PM
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Originally Posted By: Feather
I hope this post does not get lost in this thread.

Martin's uses coated wire for other cages that they make, I for one can't believe that other pet owners, such as rats, rabbits, chinchillas...... have not experience the same symptoms that we are seeing in sugar gliders.

If this wire was contaminated by a pesticide, herbicide, chemical fertilizer or other chemical I for one would think that it would also produce neurological issues in other small animals.

Maybe at this time those pet owners haven't put two and two together or maybe they do not have the family network like we sugar gliders slaves have.

JMO


When I spoke with Klubertanz, they said they had not received any complaints regarding any other species. dunno


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Re: Update on Cages and Recall - PART TWO [Re: Gizmogirl] #1122059
05/31/11 11:19 PM
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I wouldn't think they would receive complaints regarding any other species.

It is only because of the community here that it was realized how wide-spread this is, and that it is as big as it is.

Even still, vets are treating the gliders as if it is HLP if they don't know. So - unless one vet starts seeing a LOT of another species dying, and starts making the connections - who is going to speak out and say it is wide-spread?


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Re: Update on Cages and Recall - PART TWO [Re: Gizmogirl] #1122062
05/31/11 11:29 PM
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Ugh this is just aweful, I'm terrified to buy a cage from anybody right now cuz I don't wanna touch anything on the market until thisis resolved. I just hope they figure this out soon so the gliders get better!

Re: Update on Cages and Recall - PART TWO [Re: Gizmogirl] #1122078
05/31/11 11:51 PM
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Last Friday I stopped in at the UW Veterinary Teaching Hospital here in Wisconsin to see if they had any gliders come in with neurological issues.

The vet tech remembered one that was possibly neurological that came in about 3 weeks ago. I gave her the information on the cages, told them to get in touch with me if they had anymore come in.

P.S. Gizmo also graciously modeled Denise's ejacket and the vet tech wants to get some for the college, Anne was very impressed with them.


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Re: Update on Cages and Recall - PART TWO [Re: Srlb] #1122158
06/01/11 02:18 AM
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Peggy, I am not good with site yet and may have not correctly copied your quote, please forgive me if this sloppy or incorectly done.


And last but very much NOT least....

RememberingCocoa, I am so sorry for your loss, but honestly the cause of what was going on wasnt pegged down to the high possibility of the cages at the time you talked with Adam.
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I do appreciate your sincerity and thank you. Although I still, without a doubt, feel that there was good knowledge of the situation at hand while speaking with Adam. Please don't get me wrong here, I respect this man very much and think he does have genuine concern for these animals. And for that I thank him. He has put himself out there and as I believe done most of what he could to help, including calling me to address my concerns, on his wedding day.
But here is why I feel there was some knowing~
while speaking to him just after her death, when I informed him that my vet believed she had cerebellum degenerative, I did not once mention any details or what was told me to have caused it (such as toxins).
I understand that he may be knowledgeable in that, but what he said to me is where I begin to doubt.
When I asked about possibly getting a replacement, he said that he was working on something right now and didn't want to make any promises and place another animal where there may be more toxins to harm the next.
Not only that, but when I emailed him upset about not being informed earlier and having to pay vet bills, he only discussed the bills with me. Not once did he even try to defend himself in my accusations. I fully understand that that is not a plee of guilt, but it still fuels my suspicions.
And lastly, I got the very lengthy and long winded email about the recall just a few short business days later. Come on now are you really telling me that there was not yet a hint, a tell tale, suspicion, or etc. to say that the cages, or heck something in the general area of the cage ( such as the accessories sold in the starter kit), could be causing this??? Even in the email he sent out it says they had been doing extensive testing over some time now, doing this and that to pin point it. Meanwhile, they know somthing is wrong in the general vicinity of the products they provided, why not warn us sooner?? Please tell me if am I being anal about this, but I really think I have a point.
Look at how many have DIED and SUFFERED. Please don't get me wrong, I can see that the manufacturer should be taking responsibility, but isn't it the person with the findings responsibility to inform at the best interest of the animal and not the company??
I don't know about you, but Cocoa was a family member in my home. I watched her go back and forth from the brink of death and hand fed her every few hours. If that were you unable to control your body, shaking, swaying and flopping around and simple knowledge of what was already suspected kept you from recovery, wouldn't that just suck?

Re: Update on Cages and Recall - PART TWO [Re: ] #1122212
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Nope RememberingCocoa, I would have had the same thoughts and feelings as you.

And that is what happens when someone *assumes* that you spoke to him sooner than what you did. (which is what I did)

Again, I am sorry for your loss and I do wish it had never of happened, to you or to any of the others dealing with this tragedy. hug2


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Re: Update on Cages and Recall - PART TWO [Re: Gizmogirl] #1122224
06/01/11 09:32 AM
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