So true!

& welcome

fox0r, she has checked with the petstore, and the petstore said they didn't have access to the lineage.. however.. and this is where the lines are skewed between ownership and the decisions of the owners, and those that think they are going to control an owner..

she already stated.. IF SHE decides to breed them one time and keep the babies.. that is HER decision..

this is where the lines are skewed between those that are telling people what they can and can not do with the gliders they purchase. She did not have a non breeding contract, she and I spoke as to why some feel that lineage is vitally important.. and she was given the right to make those decisions on her own, now whatever she does decide to do is HER business, not the business of everyone else. if she posts what she is planning to do.. that is fine, why should she be restricted as to what she posts about because someone or a group of people doesn't agree with her.

show me the laws where people can't breed any animal that they buy, keep the joeys neuter the males and keep them as a family if they do not have lineage.. that "LAW" is only among the online community, there are thousands of owners out there that is not online.. and you can bet many of them are breeding their gliders. but here is the kicker... they are their gliders. to make those decisions with whether we agree with them or not.

so for the record.. she did ask about the lineage.. for the record, she has seen a vet.. for the record... they are HER gliders. she read all of you all's OPINIONS.. and that is all they were.. and in the end...what she does with those opinions are hers to decide.


now the online community can continue to chastise, control, and run off private owners of gliders, but in the end.. what you are doing is thinking of yourselves, and how you want to prove to everyone that you are perfect in every way in the care of your gliders. you can offer opinions about other gliders. but contrary to common beliefs the online community is not the LAWS of the world, as much as they want to think they are. or the online community can take people under their wing, show them different ways to do things, and allow them to make up their own minds.. we can only hope they will make the same decisions that we ourselves would make.. if they don't.. oh well.. we move on and hopefully the longer they stay and the more they learn , they too will pick up some things..

but our way is not the only way we must learn to accept diversity, and individuality and allow the owners their own rights of ownership. regardless of whether we agree with them or not.

Bourbon, thank you for your well put statement. I totally agree!

I completely second that!!!!!!!!!!

Bourbon -- all I said was that it WASN'T ADVISABLE because you don't know if they are related or not.

Jen , I understand.. the point she was making with the initial post is that she had gotten bashed several times, and one of those times.. it was about whether or not she was going to breed her gliders. that was beaten to death there, and I was just letting you know the answer to your question..

with that being said.. i answered your question because it wasn't answered.. at the same time.. I was trying to avoid another bashing like the one she received over at gg.

just because she got one of her gliders from the petshop doesn't mean she got both of them from the same breeder, there are several breeders gliders there. just because a glider comes from a pet shop doesn't mean all the gliders are related.. there is this really weird thought pattern that all the greys in the us are related.. fact is, our colors with lineage are more related than the majority of gliders out there.

there is a much weirder thought pattern that the greys are inferior and should not be bred.. I will tell you before the colors came in, there were many many grey that were bred and people were not screaming for lineages or telling us we could not breed our own gliders. personally I think it is advisable that 75% of the people not breed if we can not breed for anything but high quality.. let the greys be the mutts of the glider world...

Bourbon You said everything so so well. I wish everyone on line could see things the way you said them. So Thank you very much for sharing your words of w isdom

It's not always what is said. It's the way you say it.

This is the only Forum I am on because I am on here to much as it is!! So I myself don't have any opionions of other sites but this one. And I love everyone here!! I've personally and virtually met wonderful awesome people!!

I do agree with Burbon and Paula though..while we do have the glider's best interest at heart..we can not control what others do and we do have to watch how we state our opinions as it can easily be misconstrued. I am actually talking from experience. While I am still a new owner, I have serious glideritis. I do a lot of research and spoil my boys rotten..A friend of mine also owns gliders and while I am telling him my thoughts about this and that..my husband made me realize that even though I accept advice and opinions with open arms, he wasn't receiving my information in the same manner. it was then that I began to think that I was making him feel like less than a good glider owner and that was in no way what I intended...while it's hard to bite our tongues sometimes, offering options is better than stating your own true feelings about things..it's also better received on the other end as well...just my experience...
any how.....
welcome!!

Welcome! No bashing here please!!! Don't shoo her off like some gg members did! Welcome welcome welcome and hope you find what you're looking for.

Sorry you had a bad experience at GG but, so Happy you are here with us!

There's nothing worse than lossing a pet. I do hope everything works out this time.

I'd rephrase that to-

"There's nothing worse than losing family" I've lost pets, and my dad as well and I must say they hurt equally bad, especially when you view your pets the way I do. As a part of family, a piece of myself. Why I've lost so much that I don't think I'll ever be completely whole again. Pieces get lost along the way. I can only hope that this doesn't happen to you, because though it's nice to have a constant reminder of those you love, and loved... It truly makes you miserable when you always seem to ask the question: "Was it my fault?" Even though you know it's not. Better luck with your new glider and peace be with you.

Hope everything works out.

I don't know if ya'll know but her male has passed. Idk when she will ne back she was very upset.

Oh no! I can't even imagine what she's going through! :'( How devastating...

Well, Dizzy I agree but, since we were talking about someone else lossing her pet I didn't want to add my losses to it. Nor do I know her well enough to add her family losses too.

I just made a simple statement.

There is no worse loss than a family member. My pets are also my children and I cry just to think of them. And yes, I blame myself for a lot of things. Isn't that sad? If our pets forgive us, God forgives us and we will pray to be forgiven but, can't forgive ourself. Isn't that sad?

Guess your right there...

Sad if this is the case. Would you please register here on the board, as well, so that we know who you are and so you can take full advantage of what the board has to offer?

Oh, that is sad.

the pet store had offered a replacement or her money back on the first glider, it was unknown what she died up, the vet had suspected HLP, the pet store had contacted the breeder that had the glider and sold back what was left of theirs.. I guess not sure but the pet store was buying from a few local breeders... any way at that time tyson seemed fine.. since the vet suspected hlp, I discussed diets with her and she kept the new glider in quarantine, I think it was only a few days later... she woke up and found tyson dead in his pouch..

she contacted me, and we discussed the many possibilities and tests that she should run on her new glider.. she immediately removed the glider from it's current cage, which by the way was 1/2 inch aluminum squares... I talked with her about metal toxicities as well.. and she is working on building him a new cage. she took her new glider to the vet and had her fully checked out and tested.. the test results she was able to get immediately all were negative.. now the new glider never was intro ed to the previous pair. They are still awaiting the bacterial c&S results... but in the meantime the new glider is being shotgunned with an anti-biotic and an anti-parasitic as a precautionary measure. I am sure that whatever took down the first one also took down the second.. in our talks I gave her the info for a lab here in tn to do a necropsy.. I know that the expense of having to get another cage and the vet bills that decisions would have to be made.. so I don't know if a necropsy was done or not. I would be safe to say probably not.. I spoke with her about contacting val for the necropsy effort but I know that they would have had the expense of shipping the body to them as well which I know is over 100.00...

It is a horrific thing to lose a glider, and even worse to lose another soon behind it... the many years I have been on gc , I have seen these deaths happen and never once was the owners accused of killing their gliders. horrible things like bacterial infections, parasites, and various toxins can sometimes take these little ones with little notice.. the one thing that she can find comfort in is that he seemed to die in his sleep..

she is doing everything in her power to make sure that the environment is sterilized and that there is going to be a new cage for the little girl to go into. diets discussed, with the shotgunning of meds and the testing that has been done, we really can't expect anything more from her.

k.... my prayers are with you, I know you are doing what you can...

good luck Kaitlyn, I hope all turns out well...

Sorry I haven't been around . Been doing backflips to protect Lorilee but thanks for all the support

Sorry for your loss again dear, I can't imagine what you're going through. Thoughts and prayers going to you and your new girl to get you through this.

*hugs* I'm so sorry for your losses!

Welcome to GC.

I've noticed that the people on GG are typically more 'aggressive' and less informed....

This place is much nicer.