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Re: Sugar gliders... illegal in PA D'= [Re: ] #1241915
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Basically sugar gliders will be legal in PA 60 days after they voted for this amended legislation. You will not need a permit, it will be just like having a parrot or gerbil.

Also in this legislation permits will no longer be issued after December 2013 unless you had a permit prior to December 2011.

But the bottom line is Sugar Gliders will be legal in PA in a few days.


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Re: Sugar gliders... illegal in PA D'= [Re: ] #1241917
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Nope frown

Called the Game Commission, they said the bill had passed the house but now has to be voted on in the senate before it becomes law. Notice how it says "Referred to GAME AND FISHERIES." This is not the Game Commission, rather the committee in which the senate will be voting on HB 1398. I don't know how to get in contact with the senate to see when they will be voting on it, if anyone does would you mind doing so so we could find out the status of this law?


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Re: Sugar gliders... illegal in PA D'= [Re: etrnalsunshinee] #1241919
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Originally Posted By: etrnalsunshinee
Nope frown

Called the Game Commission, they said the bill had passed the house but now has to be voted on in the senate before it becomes law. Notice how it says "Referred to GAME AND FISHERIES." This is not the Game Commission, rather the committee in which the senate will be voting on HB 1398. I don't know how to get in contact with the senate to see when they will be voting on it, if anyone does would you mind doing so so we could find out the status of this law?


I actually just contacted the main sponsor of the bill a little bit ago. I'll update on what I hear back, but IMO this has a long way to go before it becomes law.


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Re: Sugar gliders... illegal in PA D'= [Re: ] #1241989
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The senators aide's info I posted previously IS a member of the game and fisheries commission. I specifically emailed everyone on THAT comission they are essential to getting this thing moving.

Re: Sugar gliders... illegal in PA D'= [Re: ] #1242976
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I did hear back today from the sponsor's office, they actually called me!

Basically the person I talked to, said it does have a long way to go before it becomes law, and it has to be finished before November or it dies. It was supposed to be in the Senate today, and there's a possibility of a change that will send it back to the House; once it's approved (and any changes) by BOTH House and Senate, then it goes to the governor.

The clue is the "Last Action:" on the site linked. Until that "Last Action:" says something like "approved by the governor", or "signed into law", it's not done. When it IS law, and they ARE legal, it will change from a Bill to an Act. THEN, and ONLY then, will it become legal to own gliders in PA.


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Re: Sugar gliders... illegal in PA D'= [Re: ] #1242980
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Thanks Helen! If you hear any more updates please let us know. thumb


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Re: Sugar gliders... illegal in PA D'= [Re: ] #1243552
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I joined as i've been watching the bill, and wanted to make sure you guys knew about it!

Hopefully we can get it to pass. I've been waiting MANY years to purchase a glider!

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Keep me updated! I'm originally from Pittsburgh and my family still lives there. It'd be nice to move back one day, but only if my suggies can come too!


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Re: Sugar gliders... illegal in PA D'= [Re: ] #1250064
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Updating what I know:

The PA General Assembly says that the first consideration was in the Senate on March 28th. I wish I knew more about what thay meant, but it's in the senate! Hopefull it passes soon.


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Re: Sugar gliders... illegal in PA D'= [Re: ] #1312211
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Are gliders still illegal in PA then???


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Re: Sugar gliders... illegal in PA D'= [Re: RoxyNinja] #1312231
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Originally Posted By: RoxyNinja
Are gliders still illegal in PA then???


Yes. Nothing has happened with the bill since May.


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Re: Sugar gliders... illegal in PA D'= [Re: ] #1313280
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I just spent about an hour researching the laws about Pennsylvania. What I found is that Pennsylvania does NOT consider them exotic... the vast majority of their animal laws have been deleted (reserved) and there is no mention of any other animals besides the dangerous large animals. I have been looking all over for the permit information (since I want to keep a link to it on my website to show that they can't own one without a permit) but all I can find is the larger animals are illegal.

http://www.pacode.com/secure/data/058/chapter137/chap137toc.html
notice the massive amount of deleted material... could this be how they are making gliders legal?

"Exotic wildlife." The phrase includes, but is not limited to, all bears, coyotes, lions, tigers, leopards, jaguars, cheetahs, cougars, wolves and any crossbreed of these animals which have similar characteristics in appearance or features. The definition is applicable whether or not the birds or animals were bred or reared in captivity or imported from another state or nation.

I can find NO mention in ANY of Pennsylvania's literature referencing any other animals. Any references seen to sugar gliders are in forums and articles, nothing concrete leading to the actual laws. In face, the laws pertaining to exotic wildlife ALL refer back to the section that I quoted above as the list of exotic animals.


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Re: Sugar gliders... illegal in PA D'= [Re: ] #1313287
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Maybe they're included as wildlife or exotic wildlife?

(8) An animal, bird or egg of a bird listed by the Commonwealth or the United States Department of the Interior as threatened, endangered or injurious.
(10) Game or wildlife taken alive from the wild, except the Commission may import wildlife taken from the wild for enhancement of this Commonwealth’s wild fauna.
(11) Game or wild held captive. Game or wildlife held in captivity or captive bred in another state or nation.
(d) A person wishing to import lawfully acquired wildlife, or parts thereof, shall first obtain an importation permit from the Commission subject to the following:

(1) Importation permits will be issued for a fee of $50 for each transaction.

(2) A person wishing to import wildlife for a menagerie, exotic wildlife possession, exotic wildlife dealer or propagation purposes shall be in possession of a menagerie, exotic wildlife possession, exotic wildlife dealer or propagation permit prior to submitting the application for an import permit. See Chapter 147 (relating to special permits).


It would be awesome if PA would allow suggies!


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Re: Sugar gliders... illegal in PA D'= [Re: suggiemom1980] #1313332
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If you call the game warden they will tell you they are illegal. I did a few months ago. I didn't even have to explain what they were, they knew. Maybe the laws have changed since then?


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Re: Sugar gliders... illegal in PA D'= [Re: ] #1313468
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Yeah the info I found wasn't very helpful so I figured I would ask here to be sure. I didn't know if anything ever came of that bill. Thanks for the info! smile


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Re: Sugar gliders... illegal in PA D'= [Re: ] #1313487
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I keep wishing and hoping they would.
My mom would kill to see her grand fuzzies and babysit them for a weekend.
I think it's so stupid that a twenty minute drive changes the legality of a pet.
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I am so glad I live in New York.
She'll have to stick to visiting my house for the time being.
Although I have been assured I could visit PA with them, it still makes me nervous so I never have. My poor mom. She loves her grand-fuzzies.


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Re: Sugar gliders... illegal in PA D'= [Re: sitkasmom] #1314598
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Originally Posted By: sitkasmom
If you call the game warden they will tell you they are illegal. I did a few months ago. I didn't even have to explain what they were, they knew. Maybe the laws have changed since then?


Nope. No changes as of yet. I don't suspect it'll change anytime soon.

Re: Sugar gliders... illegal in PA D'= [Re: ] #1314877
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Who would I contact to rush the permit process to get my gliders back? Its been almost a month now that the wildlife place took them and placed them. They guy that has them refuses to call me back or let us go see or pets.. my 5yr old cries because 2 of them were hers and they took them from her... I applied for the permit but heard nothing.. I'm actually ready to contact a lawyer because it is not right they should not of took them and I can't see my kids upset for months until someone decides to call me back... does anyone have any info on where I can start? I'm going crazy...

Re: Sugar gliders... illegal in PA D'= [Re: ] #1314878
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Becky, now - I may be corrected if I am wrong here but since they are illegal in PA and permits were discontinued I don't think they legally ever have to give them back.
They stopped giving out permits a while ago.
I think if you contact a lawyer they will simply show you that PA state law now states that sugar gliders are illegal in the state of PA and permits are no longer being given at all frown

I wish I had better news for you.


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Re: Sugar gliders... illegal in PA D'= [Re: ] #1314917
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Thanks for the info.... in that case the game commission officers lied right to my face and I will be contacting a lawyer... I filled out the permit they sent me and did everything they ask of me.... and if they had no intentions of giving them back they should not give my children n me false hope... whether they are illegal or not they should not have the right to take my pets unless I neglected or abused them and I have done neither... so in return they torture my gliders n my children... ugh.... I could see if it was a huge animal but they are harmless and loving... sorry it just outrages me at this point.... thank u again

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Start a letter writing campaign to your state legislation, include informative, factual information on sugar gliders.

Also tell them how they are now legal in GA.

Bombard them with that kind of information and work on getting them made legal in PA.


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Re: Sugar gliders... illegal in PA D'= [Re: ] #1314942
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I am so sorry Becky.
Your story is truly heartbreaking.
My mother lives in PA and I even petition for gliders to be made legal there just so I can take them to visit my mom or so she could babysit them when I would go away on vacation.
As much as I usually appreciate the game commission officers in this scenario it sounds like they did indeed lie to your face frown
I know when I talked to the three around my mom's area they simply told me that they were illegal 110%, they were not allowed in the state period, and permits were null and void and were no longer being issued and if I had an issue or complaint about the situation I was to be referred to my state representative.

I am terribly sorry about your gliders frown
Please let us know if anything changes and you hear from the game commission!


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Re: Sugar gliders... illegal in PA D'= [Re: becky29] #1315217
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Originally Posted By: becky29
whether they are illegal or not they should not have the right to take my pets unless I neglected or abused them and I have done neither...


I'm sorry that your children had to go through this, but unfortunately they did what was required of them by law. Gliders are illegal in PA and owners are subject to them being confiscated. It sounds like your gliders were very fortunate that they found a legal home for them, sometimes they just euthanize them instead. frown


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Re: Sugar gliders... illegal in PA D'= [Re: sitkasmom] #1315313
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Originally Posted By: sitkasmom
Hi Jack!

Sugar Gliders are also illegal here in Fairfax County VA. They are legal just about everywhere else in VA but Fairfax and Prince William Counties. Guess where I live!!? I am just as frustrated and upset as you. I started a petition at change.org to have them removed from the Illegal Exotics list. Already have 300+ signatures, and I just put it up there on the 5th. I have also written a letter to the governor. I am also writing a letter to the Senator who helped changed the GA law.


Wow! This is awesome! Now I need to do this to petition Mumbai India...somehow I think that would be a huge battle.


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So what does that mean? I just had a lady call me this morning from PA and I told her they were illegal.


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I don't think this really changes anything. It has been on the books for a long time that exotics (sugar gliders) are legal with a permit. It does not matter what the law says or how it says it if the state will not issue permits.

Even with the change in wording, permits are still required to own sugar gliders. As long as people are not able to obtain a permit, sugar gliders will remain illegal in the state.


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Re: Sugar gliders... illegal in PA D'= [Re: sugarlope] #1331766
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I don't agree!!
Take a look at some of these quotes from previous comments, of people who gave direct quotes from authority,They say once the bill is passed they are legal!!!
also taking a look at the Bill itself, now an ACT!!


Originally Posted By: JeremysDad
Here is what they sent me "direct quote"

It is illegal to import or possess sugar gliders in Pennsylvania. However, there is legislation in the General Assembly that would legalize them. Please see the link to this House Bill 1398: amended

Originally Posted By: Feather
Basically sugar gliders will be legal in PA 60 days after they voted for this amended legislation. You will not need a permit, it will be just like having a parrot or gerbil.

Also in this legislation permits will no longer be issued after December 2013 unless you had a permit prior to December 2011.

But the bottom line is Sugar Gliders will be legal in PA in a few days.


Originally Posted By: TheGliderPlayroom
I did hear back today from the sponsor's office, they actually called me!

Basically the person I talked to, said it does have a long way to go before it becomes law, and it has to be finished before November or it dies. It was supposed to be in the Senate today, and there's a possibility of a change that will send it back to the House; once it's approved (and any changes) by BOTH House and Senate, then it goes to the governor.

The clue is the "Last Action:" on the site linked. Until that "Last Action:" says something like "approved by the governor", or "signed into law", it's not done. When it IS law, and they ARE legal, it will change from a Bill to an Act. THEN, and ONLY then, will it become legal to own gliders in PA.


http://www.legis.state.pa.us/cfdocs/legi...398&pn=3296

It says that gliders are no longer under the exotics list. exotics still need to have permits, but if sugar gliders are no longer consider exotics then they are "pets" like "exotic" birds (parrots, cockatoos), ferrets, hedgehogs, etc... those animals do not need permits to be sold or housed in the state of PA because they are not considered exotic


Perhaps I am misinformed and if anyone can provide other literature explaining that sugar gliders still need a permit or read this bill differently, I welcome that smile

Re: Sugar gliders... illegal in PA D'= [Re: My_Sugar_Fix] #1331781
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The bill was re-referred to Appropriations in May 2012.

Bill status


That was the last action on it. It apparently has not been passed yet.

It does say "Act" in the bill, but it is not an ACT until it is passed and signed by the governor.


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