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Re: Why are pellets bad?
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03/21/15 01:11 AM
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I initially fed my sugar gliders the PP Glider pellets with the Glider Gravy. My vet was concerned that my female joey was not putting on enough weight and asked me to switch diets. In the few months since switching over to oHPW (actually using ZooPro instead of Wombaroo High Protein Powder), both my gliders, still under a year old, have gained 20 to 25 grams putting both of them at around 85 grams. It turns out that the Glider Gravy is actually Critter Love Plus renamed. I felt that the PP pellet diet without the gravy too low in protein. My gliders would eat the pellets with the gravy but seldom eat it all. The one thing that I read in another group is that pellets will cause your sugar glider to drink more. The dry nature of pellets require that they get their water elsewhere. This is the only real argument that made sense to me about pellet food.
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Re: Why are pellets bad?
[Re: GliderNursery]
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03/21/15 01:13 AM
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I never understood the argument against pellets that they lose nutrition during the processing. Am I wrong in my understanding that the nutritional analysis is done to food after it has been processed. In that case, even if there is a nutritant loss during processing, they would have to start higher in order to get the nutritional analysis that they do.
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Quote: "Outside of a dog, a book is man's best friend. Inside a dog, it's too dark to read." -- Groucho Marx
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Re: Why are pellets bad?
[Re: SFLeBrun]
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03/21/15 06:47 PM
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I initially fed my sugar gliders the PP Glider pellets with the Glider Gravy. Were you also feeding vegetables and fruits or just the slice of apple they told you to? It turns out that the Glider Gravy is actually Critter Love Plus renamed. The Glide R Gravy is actually the Critter Love® Complete not the Plus. The one thing that I read in another group is that pellets will cause your sugar glider to drink more. This is correct, if you are feeding a pelleted diet alone your gliders will consume more water. If you choose to use pellets, I personally tell folks to use them as snacks or aides in dental hygiene in your sugar gliders diet, but not part of their main diet plan. A wide variety of vegetables and fruits should also be offered. More vegetables than fruit. I watched the diet study video and from what I got from it, the initial results for Glider Chow appear to be promising. It did have a good outcome for the preliminary portion of the testing, HOWEVER, please note the Glider Chow was fed with the Glide R Gravy. It would indeed have a different outcome without it. If you would like to learn more about diets and how gliders utilize their foods, you may want to consider going to this years OSGA
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Re: Why are pellets bad?
[Re: Srlb]
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03/21/15 09:31 PM
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Terry
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I watched the diet study video and from what I got from it, the initial results for Glider Chow appear to be promising. It did have a good outcome for the preliminary portion of the testing, HOWEVER, please note the Glider Chow was fed with the Glide R Gravy. It would indeed have a different outcome without it. What is this video? I haven't seen it, or heard one was available.
Last edited by Terry; 03/21/15 09:32 PM.
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Re: Why are pellets bad?
[Re: Srlb]
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03/21/15 09:50 PM
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I initially fed my sugar gliders the PP Glider pellets with the Glider Gravy. Were you also feeding vegetables and fruits or just the slice of apple they told you to? It turns out that the Glider Gravy is actually Critter Love Plus renamed. The Glide R Gravy is actually the Critter Love® Complete not the Plus. I was just starting to add fruits and vegetables to their diet and had been using only apple slices when I switched to oHPW. I went over the PP instructions and realized that I missed that I was to start using other fruits and vegetables after the sugar gliders reached a certain age. THANKS for correcting me on the source of Glider Gravy. After reading the nutritional information on Glide-R-Chow and Glide-R-Gravy, I had decided that without the Glide-R-Gravy, the PP pellets would not be enough.
-- Steven F. LeBrun
Quote: "Outside of a dog, a book is man's best friend. Inside a dog, it's too dark to read." -- Groucho Marx
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Re: Why are pellets bad?
[Re: SFLeBrun]
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03/22/15 08:57 AM
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After reading the nutritional information on Glide-R-Chow and Glide-R-Gravy, I had decided that without the Glide-R-Gravy, the PP pellets would not be enough To be a completely nutritional diet the Glide R Gravy also requires a variety of mixed vegetables and fruits as well. Terry, Shelly has a link posted somewhere.... let me see if I can locate it, or her, for you. ETA: Terry you can find the video in this thread.
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Re: Why are pellets bad?
[Re: Srlb]
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03/22/15 12:43 PM
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Terry
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Thank you Peggy, I wasn't aware of that video. Wow, I just watched the video, well most of it, I did ff a couple frames here and there. I am a bit confused though by how it was presented on diets offered. Namely the Glider Chow and Glider Gravy one. In the video, it seemed to indicate that there was no vegetables or fruit offered along with this particular diet in for the study. Is that correct? Also they didn't mention if they included the Glidermins that PP sells as a component of their diet, to my understanding you have to purchase the Glidermins when you purchase the Glider Chow, where as the Glider Gravy is sold separately as an enrichment factor. I'm just confused as to if this diet was only the two components offered or the full PP diet offered. As for enrichment, where would one obtain edible flowers (if they don't have own gardens) without pesticides? Is there other "gums" other than Acacia that is available and where to offer for enrichment? And more questions, I feed the Happy Glider fruit pellets, which from what I read are not as nutritious as the chicken or breeder variety, is this correct? I'm currently using the CLP diet, but was planning on going back to the CLC most likely, cause it's just so much easier. I'm wondering how much "salad" I should be offering along with the diet, since the study indicates none were served during the study?
Last edited by Terry; 03/22/15 02:16 PM.
Lives with: 1 God 1 dog, (Willow) 1 Sugie, (Ollie) R.I.P. Lulu (2/28/12-10/13/17) R.I.P. Skadoosh (2/28/12-3/26/18)
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Re: Why are pellets bad?
[Re: Terry]
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03/22/15 04:10 PM
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The Glider Chow and Glide R Gravy were served by themselves, no vegetables and no fruits and no glide-a-mins I do not believe. I will have to double check (or you can have Shelly find out). As for the flowers, I grow my own. You can look for an organic nursery near you. There are no other gums to my knowledge. I feed the Happy Glider fruit pellets, which from what I read are not as nutritious as the chicken or breeder variety, is this correct? You read this where? I'm wondering how much "salad" I should be offering along with the diet, since the study indicates none were served during the study? Salads were indeed served with the Critter Love® staples. I believe she only used mixture one that is on my website and it is 2 Tablesoons per glider.
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Re: Why are pellets bad?
[Re: Srlb]
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03/22/15 05:26 PM
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Terry
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Thanks for the answers Peggy. I asked about serving salad if I were feeding the pellets and CLC, because the study indicated that when that combination was offered, none was served, I do offer the correct amount of fruits and vegetables with their meal, pellets are not offered as main meal, but I was just asking if served as a main meal with the CLC if it still mattered. I'll find the link to the article I read about dry foods when I'm back on my computer. Here is the link on the article, it mentions Happy Glider from Pet Pro, but mentions that the Chicken and breeder's formula are the better quality and more protein than the others. Sweet Sugar Gliders
Last edited by Terry; 03/22/15 09:48 PM.
Lives with: 1 God 1 dog, (Willow) 1 Sugie, (Ollie) R.I.P. Lulu (2/28/12-10/13/17) R.I.P. Skadoosh (2/28/12-3/26/18)
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Re: Why are pellets bad?
[Re: Terry]
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03/23/15 08:06 AM
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Srlb
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Terry, The salad was not served for the Glide R Chow and the Glide R Gravy. ( Pocket Pets version) The salad was served when the Critter Love® Complete was served. (Critter Love® version) it mentions Happy Glider from Pet Pro, but mentions that the Chicken and Breeder's formula are the better quality and more protein than the others Of course the nutrients would be different, they are different products, however, I would not recommend feeding the gliders the Happy Glider Chicken breeder pellets if you are not breeding as sugar gliders do not require a high protein diet.
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