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Re: Legal/Illegal States Map [Re: Feather] #1391141
06/19/15 08:31 PM
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Thank you so much for that!I have searched everywhere for answers only to get more of a run around...this is the most help I've recieved so far!

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Re: Legal/Illegal States Map [Re: fox0r] #1391242
06/22/15 11:15 AM
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Great information Feather! Guess I didn't read enough of it. Ooops!


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Re: Legal/Illegal States Map [Re: fox0r] #1416813
07/03/18 12:43 PM
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Hello,
I was looking at this map for Virginia, and saw two counties (prince william and fairfax counties) that have listed as illegal to own sugar gliders. I believe this information is no longer accurate.
I have looked up the Virginia Admistrative Code (4VAC15-30-40.) Importation Requirements, Possession and Sale of Nonnative (Exotic) Animals. And Sugar Gliders or Petaurus breviceps are not listed as illegal or requiring a permit. The latest revision dated Jan 1, 2017. They are actually not even mentioned in it.
found here https://law.lis.virginia.gov/admincode/title4/agency15/chapter30/section40/

and attached to this post as well.
Additionally, I know for a fact there are 2 exotic vets that see sugar gliders regularly in fairfax county. Not to mention every year there are people selling sugar gliders at the malls in Prince william county.

If anyone can provide verifiable proof to the opposite of this, I would very much like to see it. Otherwise, can this please be updated on your map.

Thanks,
Carlos

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Re: Legal/Illegal States Map [Re: Carlos_C] #1416814
07/03/18 01:56 PM
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Okay, I may have spoken a few moments too soon, as I stumbled upon some more information. however the documents cited are from 1983...I will be sending some more emails and making some calls to see about getting changes to this.

https://library.municode.com/va/prince_w...NFO_ARTVIWIEXAN

Cheers,
Carlos

Re: Legal/Illegal States Map [Re: Carlos_C] #1420097
04/17/19 10:19 AM
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Originally Posted by Carlos_C
Okay, I may have spoken a few moments too soon, as I stumbled upon some more information. however the documents cited are from 1983...I will be sending some more emails and making some calls to see about getting changes to this.

https://library.municode.com/va/pri...of_ordinances?nodeId=CH4ANFO_ARTVIWIEXAN

Cheers,
Carlos



Hi Carlos,

Have you made any headway with this or have any petitions going? I realize this is almost a year old but nothing involving the govt happens quickly. The reason I ask is because I currently live in PWC and really want to get a pair of gliders but I feel it would be irresponsible of me to go through with it if there is even the smallest chance of them being taken from me.

Re: Legal/Illegal States Map [Re: ScottH86] #1420102
04/17/19 05:57 PM
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Originally Posted by ScottH86
Originally Posted by Carlos_C
Okay, I may have spoken a few moments too soon, as I stumbled upon some more information. however the documents cited are from 1983...I will be sending some more emails and making some calls to see about getting changes to this.

https://library.municode.com/va/pri...of_ordinances?nodeId=CH4ANFO_ARTVIWIEXAN

Cheers,
Carlos



Hi Carlos,

Have you made any headway with this or have any petitions going? I realize this is almost a year old but nothing involving the govt happens quickly. The reason I ask is because I currently live in PWC and really want to get a pair of gliders but I feel it would be irresponsible of me to go through with it if there is even the smallest chance of them being taken from me.


HI Scott,

I opened and read the ordinance that the link goes to. The way it is written, I would say that sugar gliders are legal to have as pets.

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Wild or exotic animal shall mean any live monkey (nonhuman primate), raccoon, skunk, wolf, squirrel, fox, leopard, panther, tiger, lion, lynx or any other warm-blooded animal, poisonous snake or tarantula which can normally be found in the wild state or any other member of crocodilian, including but not limited to alligators, crocodiles, caimans, and gavials. Ferrets, nonpoisonous snakes, rabbits and laboratory rats which have been bred in captivity and which never have known the wild shall be excluded from this definition.


Sugar gliders nor the all encompassing "Marsupials" is not listed. Our sugar gliders that we have as pets have been raised for the pet industry for over 30 years now.

In my opinion gliders are legal to have as pets.


Kimberley
Feathers-Sweetie, Sklyar Blue, Mister Peanut, Big Mack & Ibo
Fur-Guinan, Mr. Spock, T'Mir, Micheal, Stevie, Cho & Maharet :bb: T'Pol, Elizabeth & Curzon :wfb: TY, TJ, Khayman & T'Pring :rtmo: O'Ryan :leu:
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Re: Legal/Illegal States Map [Re: Feather] #1420104
04/18/19 12:19 AM
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Kimberley, I'm not so sure:
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Wild or exotic animal shall mean... or any other warm-blooded animal... which can normally be found in the wild..."

Marsupials do fall under the definitions of "warm-blooded animal" and "normally be found in the wild."


Scott, I fear you will need to look into this more. If they're still wrong-minded on this issue, maybe time for a civic project smile


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Re: Legal/Illegal States Map [Re: Hutch] #1420106
04/18/19 09:34 AM
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Manassas, Virginia
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Originally Posted by Feather

HI Scott,

I opened and read the ordinance that the link goes to. The way it is written, I would say that sugar gliders are legal to have as pets.

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Wild or exotic animal shall mean any live monkey (nonhuman primate), raccoon, skunk, wolf, squirrel, fox, leopard, panther, tiger, lion, lynx or any other warm-blooded animal, poisonous snake or tarantula which can normally be found in the wild state or any other member of crocodilian, including but not limited to alligators, crocodiles, caimans, and gavials. Ferrets, nonpoisonous snakes, rabbits and laboratory rats which have been bred in captivity and which never have known the wild shall be excluded from this definition.


Sugar gliders nor the all encompassing "Marsupials" is not listed. Our sugar gliders that we have as pets have been raised for the pet industry for over 30 years now.

In my opinion gliders are legal to have as pets.



I do hope that is the case as I recall PP selling their gliders at Potomic Mills Mall which is in Prince William County. Grant it when I do get my gliders they'll either come from TPG or if there is a local reputable breeder that has the colors I'm looking for.

Originally Posted by Hutch
Kimberley, I'm not so sure:
Quote
Wild or exotic animal shall mean... or any other warm-blooded animal... which can normally be found in the wild..."

Marsupials do fall under the definitions of "warm-blooded animal" and "normally be found in the wild."


Scott, I fear you will need to look into this more. If they're still wrong-minded on this issue, maybe time for a civic project smile


Agreed Hutch, I sent an inquiry to the Prince William County SPCA asking if Sugar gliders are legal to own in the county, if not the follow up question will be how to change it.

Re: Legal/Illegal States Map [Re: Hutch] #1420115
04/18/19 09:17 PM
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Originally Posted by Hutch
Kimberley, I'm not so sure:
Quote
Wild or exotic animal shall mean... or any other warm-blooded animal... which can normally be found in the wild..."

Marsupials do fall under the definitions of "warm-blooded animal" and "normally be found in the wild."


Scott, I fear you will need to look into this more. If they're still wrong-minded on this issue, maybe time for a civic project smile


When I have seen the "which can normally be found in the wild" they are usually referring to found in the wild in the US.

Please let us know what you find out.


Kimberley
Feathers-Sweetie, Sklyar Blue, Mister Peanut, Big Mack & Ibo
Fur-Guinan, Mr. Spock, T'Mir, Micheal, Stevie, Cho & Maharet :bb: T'Pol, Elizabeth & Curzon :wfb: TY, TJ, Khayman & T'Pring :rtmo: O'Ryan :leu:
Forever in my heart, Gizmo, Tucker and the rest of my babies over the :rbridge:

Re: Legal/Illegal States Map [Re: Feather] #1420118
04/19/19 03:50 PM
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Originally Posted by Feather


When I have seen the "which can normally be found in the wild" they are usually referring to found in the wild in the US.

Please let us know what you find out.


Will do!

I've been told that since the PWSPCA is an all volunteer group that it could take a few days before I hear back from them. Fingers-crossed that they come back with good news

Re: Legal/Illegal States Map [Re: fox0r] #1420119
04/19/19 04:24 PM
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So I just got off the phone with the Prince William Animal Control Bureau, currently it is illegal to own sugar gliders in Prince William County. He did say that he heard rumors that this may change though but didn't know if there was any truth to these rumors.

Re: Legal/Illegal States Map [Re: ScottH86] #1420121
04/19/19 11:44 PM
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Originally Posted by ScottH86
So I just got off the phone with the Prince William Animal Control Bureau, currently it is illegal to own sugar gliders in Prince William County. He did say that he heard rumors that this may change though but didn't know if there was any truth to these rumors.


You need to get one of the County board members to sponsor a change to their ordinance. Educate them about sugar gliders. Tell them that they were once illegal in Georgia and Mass and that they are now legal in those states.

Explain that they have been bred in captivity for pets for the last 30 or more years. (They were saying 20 years when I first got gliders and I have had gliders for over 11 years now.

Stick to the facts and don't get emotional.

You can even email everyone on the County board and Health and Humane services. Collect signatures, but not a list of signatures, put together a letter and have people sign it, a letter per person. A stack of paper is more impressive than a list of signatures.


Kimberley
Feathers-Sweetie, Sklyar Blue, Mister Peanut, Big Mack & Ibo
Fur-Guinan, Mr. Spock, T'Mir, Micheal, Stevie, Cho & Maharet :bb: T'Pol, Elizabeth & Curzon :wfb: TY, TJ, Khayman & T'Pring :rtmo: O'Ryan :leu:
Forever in my heart, Gizmo, Tucker and the rest of my babies over the :rbridge:

Re: Legal/Illegal States Map [Re: Feather] #1420123
04/20/19 03:08 AM
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Originally Posted by Feather
Originally Posted by ScottH86
So I just got off the phone with the Prince William Animal Control Bureau, currently it is illegal to own sugar gliders in Prince William County. He did say that he heard rumors that this may change though but didn't know if there was any truth to these rumors.


You need to get one of the County board members to sponsor a change to their ordinance. Educate them about sugar gliders. Tell them that they were once illegal in Georgia and Mass and that they are now legal in those states.

Explain that they have been bred in captivity for pets for the last 30 or more years. (They were saying 20 years when I first got gliders and I have had gliders for over 11 years now.

Stick to the facts and don't get emotional.

You can even email everyone on the County board and Health and Humane services. Collect signatures, but not a list of signatures, put together a letter and have people sign it, a letter per person. A stack of paper is more impressive than a list of signatures.



So Feather, don't you have something written up that could be used as a guideline?


Dawn

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and
Trust your journey....




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Re: Legal/Illegal States Map [Re: fox0r] #1420124
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If he PMs me his email, I can send him the letter that I sent to the City of Wausau.


Kimberley
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Fur-Guinan, Mr. Spock, T'Mir, Micheal, Stevie, Cho & Maharet :bb: T'Pol, Elizabeth & Curzon :wfb: TY, TJ, Khayman & T'Pring :rtmo: O'Ryan :leu:
Forever in my heart, Gizmo, Tucker and the rest of my babies over the :rbridge:

Re: Legal/Illegal States Map [Re: Feather] #1420127
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Originally Posted by Feather
If he PMs me his email, I can send him the letter that I sent to the City of Wausau.


Email is in your pms ^_^

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