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Re: Concerning Colors and genetics [Re: ] #1541
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The het pair is Ceaser(het) and Jemima.. Produced a normal colored Joey and a blonde. I will take a picture of her and let you see her picture. We keep her for our breeding program.

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You may also get to see what a blonde- blonde will produce with Judy she has a pair PG as well! We shall all soon see []images/icons/smile.gif" border="0[/] <img src="graemlins/multi.gif" border="0" alt="[blob]" />

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I would love to see it<p>Mike, have you put a blonde to a blonde yet?
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Re: Concerning Colors and genetics [Re: ] #1544
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The problem with genetics is that most research and theory testing takes so long because you have to wait for gestation. I can't wait to see what a blonde blonde will produce. <img src="graemlins/multi.gif" border="0" alt="[blob]" /> <img src="graemlins/multi.gif" border="0" alt="[blob]" />

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Jemina ia out of a normal male and I do not have color for mother of this glider as my records indicate she was not owned. Do you know if normal or possible Het?

I know she was breed to your blonde Cereal and produced Pearl and Princess of which are both blondes.<p>Not sure if babies are in pouch but should have droped inside on Feb. 18. Too early to tell yet.<p>Breeding pair: Sandman and Sage<p> Father Blonde
Sandman Blonde
Mother Normal<p> Father Het for blonde
Sage Blonde
Mother Blonde<p>[ 02-20-2002: Message edited by: Judie ]</p>

Re: Concerning Colors and genetics [Re: ] #1546
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Actually, this Jemima is not from Arizona. She is a glider that we purchased from an individual who no longer wanted her. I loved the name, and couldn't think of anything new and unusual :-) so used it.

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What is the difference between a champagne and a platinum glider?

Re: Concerning Colors and genetics [Re: ] #1548
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Ok.....Laura contacted me in an email. The breeding of Ceasar who is het to blonde and Jemima is also het to blonde. They produced a blonde baby named Cleo.

Because of breeding with two hets together I am guessing the gene for producing them is still recessive and to produce blonde from hets for blonde.......one needs two hets of the blonde to produce blonde.

And baby of Sandman and Sage........is definately in pouch! <img border="0" title="" alt="[Smile]" src="images/icons/smile.gif" /> Should be oop. sometime in the first or second week of April.

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Congratulations!! I bet you can't wait to see the baby come out <img border="0" alt="clap" title="" src="graemlins/yelclap.gif" />

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Thought I would update this thread as to the pairing of 2 pairs of white faced blondes.

Both white faced pairs(each) produced....a white faced baby. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Smile]" src="images/icons/smile.gif" />

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How cool is that !!!!
Congrats!!!

Re: Concerning Colors and genetics [Re: ] #1552
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HEYMIKEY....can I use your site as a link on my site for the colors of gliders??? Ive been looking for a site so that I can put a link on my site about color mutations???

Thanks, I always like to ask before using something of someone else's

Re: Concerning Colors and genetics [Re: ] #1553
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Brian...

Can you help with the genetic code here with the offspring. Sandman and Sage...if you go back a little into this thread the color lineage is mapped out. Their offspring is a blonde.

Now, Fro and Lilly are the other pair...same exact breeding and coloring. Their offspring is a blonde also.

Have three generations here so, is it possible to work out a code?

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Let me read up on the previous posts and I'll see what I can figure out.

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Re: Concerning Colors and genetics [Re: ] #1555
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Can a leucistic paired with a normal colored glider have and leucistic offspring? <img border="0" alt="dunno" title="" src="graemlins/nixweiss.gif" />

Re: Concerning Colors and genetics [Re: ] #1556
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Now where did everyone go? Hey Mikey? Brian? Sugarbeark? Joanna? <img border="0" alt="help" title="" src="graemlins/help.gif" />

<small>[ 10-03-2002, 12:44 AM: Message edited by: Judie ]</small>

Re: Concerning Colors and genetics [Re: ] #1557
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A leucistic and a gray can have a leucistic baby if the gray is het for leucistic and gives that gene to the offsrping.

Re: Concerning Colors and genetics [Re: ] #1558
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Otherwords, both parents need to have the gene present to produce the color white.

Now my question was...with the blondes...How many generations of breeding till blondes produce all blonde babies?

1st generation...grandparents...1 blonde+1 normal, mated to 1 blonde+1 het for blonde

2nd generation...parents....1 blonde+1blonde

3rd generation....1 blonde

Now, the breeding above was with done with two pairs of wfb. Same genetic coding should exist as the parents are related. The females in the second breeding are sisters and the males are siblings.

My question is...if the 3rd generation offspring are bred to say....another wfb who is third generation wf...then the 4th generation offspring that would be produced should be 100% wf blonde? Otherwords...how many generations till the line is consided pure for that specific color?

I am thinking that anything past third generation is too far removed so thus does not count.

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I did want to add that there are two types of blondes. There are blondes that are actually more of a Kacki brown with the CREAM face or the WHITE faced and there are those that are gray with the white face (no cream FACE OR CHEST)and no brown(GRAY ONLY). Now this is strange because my two white faced blondes (both blondes, one with cream tummy and one with white tummy) both produced a white faced gray male. The color of the male could change with age. It is my understanding that with 6 weeks of being weaned the gray joey has turned brown. This is the case with Frodo He was Light gray with white faced and white tummy and at a year now he is kaki brown with a white face, white tummy. His offspring Seth on Mother's back who Judie owns now is a gray with white faced, no cream chest(now turned brown on top as mentioned above) The parent female was a brown normal instead of a gray. Frodo paired with Lily who are now both Blonde white faced(Frodo having white chest and Lily having cream chest, both with Kacki coats produced a white faced gray with a white chest, not cream (very similar to Seth). If Daffi changes, as Frodo did we will see. So far, both of the offspring have been white chested and brown with Frodo being the Dad. Judie, on the other hand has both cream chested parents paired and the offspring was cream chested and kacki brown. My conclusion so far is that if the parent has a white chest vereses a cream chest the offspring will be gray, turning brown if the glider grandparent originates from Cereal. I have only had two litters from Frodo and he has a white chest so Mike should comment here. I know up until Frodo was born, Mike had just had Cream chested blondes with kacki coats. He does have on his web site that the white faced blondes can have gray coats too. This statement could have been based on Frodo who had a gray coat at birth. Since then I know that Mike has had other light grays like Frodo, but don't know who purchased those and don't know the offspring outcome of those gliders. Noel, the brown mother paired with Frodo is pregant with two and should be out sometimes in Oct. It will be interesting to see if her offspring will also be gray with the white chest. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Razz]" src="images/icons/tongue.gif" /> ToandFro Gliders

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Re: Concerning Colors and genetics [Re: ] #1560
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Seith is Kacki colored with the white face. Sydney is going to be Kacki colored with the whate face also.

As far as I know....this particuliar line of gliders that have been produced out of Cereal...all have the Kacki color fur and with white or cream colored faces. Babies are very light grey when born...but within a few months gradually change to the Kacki body color.

The white faced grey you mentioned...are not line bred....just accidently poping up in normal gliders. I am thinking they will eventually change color and the top body color will be more like the tradiotial normal...grey/brown.

Re: Concerning Colors and genetics [Re: ] #1561
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Wherzat Where did you go to college to get your genetics degree. I am a zoology student at Oswego and am looking for a good college to attend to get a masters in genetics. Also I have not yet taken genetics but I am very studied. I breed colored mice as well as gliders. I am breeding mice because they breed fast and it is easy to get colors. I want to know what equiptment is necessary, and where to get the equiptment to map the genes of sugar gliders? I would love to see a side by side comparison of genes of many albinos, compared to many normals. I am very into genetics and breeding. Could you email me the information. Ushuaia_mail@yahoo.com. I would love to see more research done in this area. From what I have seen on various shows about genetics the process of obtaining a genetic buleprint is not very complicated. I have pictures of various color varieties from verious people that gave me permission to use them. They can be found here:

http://honeyglider.homestead.com/variations.html

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Okay, now I have a question. Boo, who is Blondie and Dagwood's daughter, was born with a white-face, and then it turned to a normal gray's color. Would she be a het for blonde? Casper, Boo's brother, is white-faced with a white belly, and a white stripe going up the underside of his tail all the way to the tip.

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What makes it more time consuming breeding gliders for color? They only produce on or two babies per litter. With mice and other smaller animales who produce large litters...this helps in determining the genetic outcome quicker... as it appears to be a numbers game with the percentages. <img border="0" alt="roflmao" title="" src="graemlins/roflmao.gif" />

As for the offspring produced by the WFBlondie and Boo...if baby has the bar under the ear..then it would be considered a possible het for blonde. No bar..then it is a white face blonde.

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Question Judie?
Is there any chance that this Baby Boo may not have a het Gene at all as one parent <img border="0" title="" alt="[Razz]" src="images/icons/tongue.gif" /> is normal? What percentage would it be normal?

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Re: Concerning Colors and genetics [Re: ] #1565
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From what I understand of hets....25% can be normal and not be a gene carrier. 50% although they look normal...can be a gene carrier. And 25% there is a visible color change.

Gosh....where are some of the others who are more knowledgable? I am just learning too. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Frown]" src="images/icons/frown.gif" />

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How would you find out how many gene pairs a glider has? Watching cop shows they do a DNA test to determine if blood is of the type of the person in question. Would doing a DNA test on a series of gliders that are Leucistic for example, give any hint as to what genes are for the leucistic color? If you did a comparison to a normal colored glider. Also to make an interesting note, I have seen a few white tip pictures, but I have recently come across a white tail. The tail is all white from base to tip. Could this be an extreme blending of the white tip gene? I have noticed that the actual white tips on sugar gliders vary in length but it has always included some black and did not go beyond the area where the black tip is normally. Does any body have an idea if this is an example of blending?

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The all white tail is the Leucistic and platinum bred together.


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Wow that is amazing. How could essentially two all white gliders produce a normal color with the exception of the tail. Do you have a picture I could use for my variation page? I would credit the owner as I have with the other submissions. What would happen if you bred this with a cinnamon? Hmmm might be interesting.

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The picture does not belong to me and I don't think they want to publish it.


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The platinum is not pure white. It has normal gene in it.


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