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Re: Big News [Re: ] #24672
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A glider can carry a leucistic gene and produce a white variation other than a totally white glider right? So why wouldn't Bailey be a carrier? I thought a leucistic het and just a normal glider could not produce white at all... so he has to have the gene in him, diluted or not, right?

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Bailey...WF Blonde. Sunny...WF Blonde/Lucestic het. Not sure at this point who the father is. If a WF Blonde either one of the males could be the father. If Leucistic...the mother is a het for Leucistic and thus Sunny who is also a carrier of the leucistic gene only he would be the father if the baby was white.

Now...since this baby has coloration on the ears and tip of tail...my guess is..... this tiny one is a wf blonde. A very light one. From the photos it does not look like much hair is visible and my guess is the babies may be another week or so from coming oop. leaving another week for coloration to appear.

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Re: Big News [Re: ] #24674
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It may be a platinum as well... We have yet to figure out exactly were the platinum gene comes from, just that it's strongly associated with calicos... Maybe the white faced gene is actually a derivative of the true platinum gene. If this female got a leucistic gene and a platinum gene and the leucistic gene was recesive... Just a thought...

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You beat me to it AwesomePossums, I was thinking exactly the same thing! The only glider I have seen that look mostly white with a touch of grey is a platnium!

Re: Big News [Re: lillysmomma] #24676
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Lol, there are also white mosaics that look like platinums as well. There are two different genes that can cause that coloring... The platinum gene and the co-dominant leucistic gene. In all actuality, we shouldn't really encourage the co-dominant leucistic gene. It's a mutation, not a variation... Mutations mean that there's damage to the genetic make up of an animal. It may be expressing itself as a "color variation" (color mutation) now, but it may be a sign of other potential differences, which could include health problems and shouldn't be encouraged.

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OT ~ would an albino be considered a mutation or variation?

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Albinos are mutations...

Re: Big News [Re: lillysmomma] #24679
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Platinums have a faint or broken stripe down their backs and this glider may possibly develop a stripe. The ears are faintly gray, but I don't know if it is due to the veins because my Saleen has that too. When the fur is all in, I will be able to see how much other color there is. The baby is totally oop today. Here is a picture of Sammie's ear. It looks translucent gray.

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Re: Big News [Re: ] #24680
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Here is Larissa's ear, translucent gray too. This is what I am seeing on the baby so I don't think we will have anything on the tail except a little gray tip. As a matter of fact it is white, then gray then white. So I guess it has the white tipped tail <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif" alt="" />, and Bailey's mother carries that gene. Larissa's ear


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Re: Big News [Re: ] #24681
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</font><blockquote><font class="small">Quote:</font><hr />
In all actuality, we shouldn't really encourage the co-dominant leucistic gene. It's a mutation, not a variation... Mutations mean that there's damage to the genetic make up of an animal. It may be expressing itself as a "color variation" (color mutation) now, but it may be a sign of other potential differences, which could include health problems and shouldn't be encouraged.

<hr /></blockquote><font class="post"> I'm a bit confused? Albinism is a genetic defect, but also a mutation I thought? I thought all color variations are caused by gene mutations? And I thought that leucistic was purely a recessive trait? If it were dominant then you wouldn't need to have two parents posessing the gene for the leucistic gene to be expressed?

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I wasn't talking about albinos in that post. I was talking about the white mosaics (co-dominant leucistics). Albinism is caused by a damaged or missing color gene. It is a mutation. Leucistic is a naturally occurring variation, not a mutation. Color variations are caused by natural variations in genes, there isn't any damage to the gene with leucistics, it's just altered. The co-dominant leucistics (white mosaics) have a damaged gene that allows both the leucistic and the dominant gene to be expressed at the same time (co-dominance). It is caused by a damaged gene and is a mutation.

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Since I am not too good with genes here, I am going to ask a question. Okay, so a damaged color gene creates a color variation, but what does a color gene have to do with its health?

Re: Big News [Re: ] #24684
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Blindness can result from an animal having the albino gene condition, as well as extreme sensitivity to sunlight (therefore increased risk of skin cancer.)

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Okay, I know that Albino's do have health problems, but I never heard about it in colors like the mosaics and such. Since leucistics don't have problems because of their colors, and normals dont have problems because of their problems, they why would mosaics, being a mix of white and gray colors with black eyes, have health problems?

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I don't know what genes create a mosaic, but if the albino gene is one of them, that can cause health problems. If the albino gene is carried but not dominant, the eyes shouldn't be red.

Re: Big News [Re: ] #24687
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It looks like the baby may be a platinum. On the head a line is starting to shadow. I took some pictures earlier and they are still in my camera, but I don't think they were any good. It was too close to night time and they were all getting up. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tantrum.gif" alt="" />


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Re: Big News [Re: ] #24688
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Ohhh boy! What fun this is for you I bet! <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cloud9.gif" alt="" />

I would be so anxious for this little one to grow and grow! Thanks for sharing all of this so far! At least I was wrong about her being a BEW... LOL <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" />

Are you going to keep her if she is a platinum? How exciting! <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/multi.gif" alt="" /> A platinum baby! I can't wait to see pictures!!!


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Re: Big News [Re: ] #24689
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Congratulations! So, now where is the picture showing the partial stripe? Want to see! <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/multi.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/multi.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/multi.gif" alt="" />

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Re: Big News [Re: ] #24691
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Jess, leucistics should be all white. White mosaics are most likely caused by some type of damage to their color gene caused by inbreeding of the leucistic line. Because there is damage to the color gene, it's very probable that there is damage to other genes as well. They haven't been around long enough for us to know all of the health problems associated with the mutation, but, if I'm not mistaken, many of them are sterile.

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New pics taken yesterday.

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Re: Another new picture [Re: ] #24693
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Proud Mama <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif" alt="" />

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Re: Another new picture [Re: ] #24696
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Ohhhhhhhhhh! <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" /> She is so cute and mysterious! I love her pink little body with her faint stripe and gray tint to her tail and ears!

Thanks for sharing! <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/heartpump.gif" alt="" /> I can't wait to see her grow.

Is it possible for her to turn out like those "Creamino" girls produced by Flying Fur Ranch?


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Re: Another new picture [Re: ] #24697
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I defiantly think she's a platinum Sheila. I need to get a better paying job so I can buy some gliders from you <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />

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Shiela, so beautiful! <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/heartpump.gif" alt="" />

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