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Color breeders, I have a ???
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05/06/07 06:11 PM
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I know this question has been ask and answered probley 100 times, sorry I can't seem to find it. I am curious what are the odds that 2 leu 100% hets will produce a leu? Is it 1 in 4??? Or is it luck of the draw, maybe they will and maybe they won't??? Anyone have a 100% het paired up? what have you gotten so far? (FYI... I have none of the above, I am currently owned by BBs )
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Re: Color breeders, I have a ???
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05/06/07 06:33 PM
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Yes, you are correct. 1 out of every 4 (or 25%) of the joeys will be leucistic with 2 100% leu het parents.
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Re: Color breeders, I have a ???
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05/06/07 06:58 PM
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I have one pair of 110% leu hets. Dad also has a wf.
So far this is what they have had.
2 wfb boys, poss. 66% hets
And right now, 1 boy, looks like a grey and 1 wfb sex unknown so far.
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Re: Color breeders, I have a ???
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05/06/07 07:28 PM
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OK, that is what I mean... statistically it is 25% chance but they could have 5 or 6 joeys all hets before they have a leu (or never have a leu).
In other words it is not 1 of every 4 JOEYS is a leu but each joey has a 1 in 4 chance of being a leu. Right?
Krys DeRosa Godfather of the NY Glider MafiaKrysKritters.comA child with Autism is not ignoring you, they are waiting for you to enter their world.
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Re: Color breeders, I have a ???
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05/06/07 07:29 PM
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Yes. I believe that's correct. There is no guarantee that you'll ever get a leu.
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Re: Color breeders, I have a ???
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05/06/07 08:13 PM
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110%, typo. LOL. Yep, it won't be every 1 in 4, look at me, I have had 4 and no leu. Peggy got one on her first try.
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Re: Color breeders, I have a ???
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05/06/07 08:29 PM
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You are correct that it is a 1/4 chance of each joey being a leu. You are never guaranteed to get a leu.
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05/06/07 09:17 PM
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Two 100% leu hets will average about 25% BEW babies over their lifetime together. Out of 24 joeys, 6 should be white. They could have 18 hets then 6 BEWs. I remember Sheila saying that one of her pairs had 6 normal joeys and then 2 white, so that would still be 25% (2 out of 8).
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Re: Color breeders, I have a ???
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05/06/07 09:30 PM
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Got it. GizmosGal, that is kinda what I wanted to know. (I guess I should have asked it better.) Could 2 hets NEVER have any leus? I guess that says it better... Queenduck... I didn't even see that the first time, where can I get a 110% het (JK)
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Re: Color breeders, I have a ???
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05/06/07 09:44 PM
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What about a lue x 100% het. That's a 50% chance right? Well what if you have a 66% het and a lue and the 66% het proves out. Then he's officialy 100% het right? Will their babies still have a 50% chance?
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05/06/07 10:07 PM
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A leu is a black eyed glider with white fur. BEW=Black Eyed White. Just 2 names for the same coloring. Albino has red/pink eyes.
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Re: Color breeders, I have a ???
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05/06/07 10:09 PM
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Also a glider can't be part leu/ part het. It is either leu or leu het. Het just means they carry the leu gene. And the % is the chance that they carry it. A 50% het has a 50% chance of carrying the gene.
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05/06/07 10:50 PM
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Two 100% leu hets will average about 25% BEW babies over their lifetime together. Out of 24 joeys, 6 should be white. They could have 18 hets then 6 BEWs. I remember Sheila saying that one of her pairs had 6 normal joeys and then 2 white, so that would still be 25% (2 out of 8). No, I ment she said there would be 25% chance of white, 50% would be hets and what would the other 25% be? That's what I meant. I knew you can't be a part het and part leu. Just didn't say it right I guess.
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Re: Color breeders, I have a ???
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05/06/07 10:52 PM
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I think she meant there's a 25% BEW and 75% hets.
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05/06/07 11:14 PM
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Actually, when two 100% leu hets mate, their joeys will have 25% chance of being a leu, 50% chance of being a leu het and 25% chance of not carrying the gene at all. I don't think it would be very likely that 2 hets would NEVER produce a leu. Over their breeding lifetime, if they really are 100% hets, there would have to be some white babies in there somewhere.
Mosaics are a completely different gene.
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05/06/07 11:16 PM
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25% White 25% Grey 50% Hets
The reason we call the offspring 66% possible hets is because we are only counting the grey babies. Because 25% are white and are obviously not hets that only leaves 3/4 of the babies being possible hets.
So two out of three being hets is 66%.
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Re: Color breeders, I have a ???
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Megi, that is why every gray joey out of 2 het parents is called a 66% het. There is a 66% chance that they carry the gene and a 33% chance that they don't. Otherwise all gray joeys from hets would be 100% hets.
leu x leu = leu joey 100% of the time
leu x leu het = leu joey 50% of the time (all gray joeys would be 100% hets)
leu het x leu het = leu joey 25% of the time (all gray joeys would be 66% hets)
leu x normal = 0 leu joeys, but all joeys would be 100% hets
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What about a lue x 100% het. That's a 50% chance right? Well what if you have a 66% het and a lue and the 66% het proves out. Then he's officialy 100% het right? Will their babies still have a 50% chance? Yes, if a 66% proves out, he is no longer considered a 50% het, but a 100% het. Since one of them is a leu, all joeys would be 100% hets, regardless on whether the mate is a leu het or a normal. (Unless, of course, the joeys is white from a het mate.)
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Re: Color breeders, I have a ???
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Mosaics in the US originate from wild caught mosaics. Mosaics are also capable of producing platinum and ringtails. You can have a white mosaic, a plat. mosaic, a ringtail mosaic, etc. With mosaics, you only need one parent to display the gene in order to produce mosaics. There is no such thing as a mosaic het. Not every offspring of a mosaic will be mosaic, though.
It is also possible to have a platinum that is not mosaic. Platinum has popped up randomly. Sheila produced one with a wf and a leu het.
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05/07/07 02:18 AM
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I have Comet & Stardust.. Comet was a 50% possible Leucistic het.. and Stardust, being the only daughter of my Stuart (RIP ) is a 100% het. Last July they had their first joey, a single Leucistic female..so Comet proved out and is now also a 100% Leucistic het. Then in December they had twins, a Leucistic female and a possible 66% het male. Some people have all Leucistics.. some get 1 Leucistic and 1 het.. some people get all hets. I guess it's the luck of the draw?
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05/07/07 02:23 AM
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Wild caught is generally Indonesia or Australia. Not wild caught in the US.
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