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My little boy died today- please read/help
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03/12/02 11:10 PM
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Hi. I haven't posted here in a few years, but now I have to. My 3 year old male, Jonesy, died today. Last night he suddenly showed symptoms of HLP and dehydration, and I rushed him to the vet. At the Pet ER, it appeared that it wasn't just his hind legs that were affected, his fronts were too. He was extremely weak and breathing heavy. He was given calcium in case it was HLP, and sugar in case he was hypoglycemic, along with Baytril and fluids. He was in an incubator all night and seemed to improve. Transporting him to his regular vet in the morning was a 40 minute drive. During the drive, his breathing became heavier and faster. He was admitted to the hospital for supportive care, but died a few hours later. Our original thought that it was a nutritional or metabolic problem- diabetes of some sort or HLP or something similar- appears to have been wrong. Now the vet seems to think that it was heart failure, a heart defect, or something that went wrong with his lungs. If anybody has experienced something similar to this, I would appreciate any information you could give me on what might have happened. A necropsy is being performed, but the Doctor isn't sure if he'll be able to find out what went wrong. Jonesy leaves behind a lonely girlfriend, Smei, and a very sad owner. Rest in Peace Indiana Jonesy. Love Amy
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03/13/02 04:29 PM
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im so sorry. i dont have expirience, so am not gonna answer. im really sorry for your loss <img border="0" alt="[crying]" title="" src="graemlins/crying.gif" /> i was talking when i went to post this, and my IM got posted in here, so thats why i edited..im sorry again <img border="0" alt="[crying]" title="" src="graemlins/crying.gif" /> <small>[ 03-13-2002, 03:31 PM: Message edited by: Casie ]</small>
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04/11/02 05:26 PM
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I am so sorry about your baby. I just got my 9wk old OOP and i would go crazy if mine died. I now know what to look for now, but my deepest sympathy goes out to you. <img border="0" alt=" " title="" src="graemlins/littleglider.gif" /> <img border="0" alt="[crying]" title="" src="graemlins/crying.gif" />
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04/11/02 06:10 PM
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I'm so sorry about your baby, Amy. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Frown]" src="images/icons/frown.gif" />
Ginny
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Jonesy's unexpected cause of death
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03/14/02 12:30 AM
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I received a call from my wonderful vet today. He knows that I work as a p/t veterinary technician myself, and was not afraid to call and tell me what he saw as he searched for Jonesy's cause of death. He immediately noticed that there was a lot of fluid around his lungs. It was orange/yellow, not the clearish fluid that one might expect. He then noticed that Jonesy's liver was "mottled looking" and just generally very abnormal. Closer examination revealed what may have been cancer of the liver. If not cancer, then Jonesy had a liver defect/failure. The lack of liver function caused Jonesy's blood to circulate through his body, unfiltered. The fluid in his body cavity was the result of this, and put stress on his heart and lungs. He's not sure what could have triggered Jonesy's death so suddenly, but it could have been due to a rupture on his liver. It is very odd, and possibly the result of genetic predisposition, that Jonesy's liver failed when he was only 3. I did not request further testing, etc., because I only wanted to go so far as to know that this was not something that I could have prevented. It is a great comfort to me to know that this was not diet or lifestyle related. It is also not something contagious that Smei could develop. I picked up his body today and could not open the box myself, but a wonderful co-worker of mine placed him in a different box that I had selected. She said that he was wrapped in the clean blue fleece that I had left him in at the vet's, and that he looked very peaceful. This has provided a wonderful fealing of closure. Thank you for your kind words. Amy and Smei
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03/14/02 01:52 AM
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Merlin, it's so great that you were with your glider when he passed. My only regret is that I wasn't with Jonesy. I didn't have him put to sleep because he has been sick on other occasions and made incredible recoveries within a few days. Had I known previously that he had cancer, I would have had him euthenized while I was with him. I do not feed my gliders peanuts and their food is all freshly cut, so I don't think that has to do with his passing, but your input is very valuable, and I won't forget it. Thanks, Amy
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03/14/02 01:55 AM
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Thank you for letting us know what happened, Amy. We continue to grieve with you, and hope it works out that you can get a new mate for your remaining glider soon. I will email you offline, as we have a death database and the information you got from your vet could be very helpful to other glider owners and even researchers and vets.
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03/14/02 10:46 AM
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So sorry to hear about Jonesy's passing. I lost my sweet girl last summer after a very difficult, undiagnosed illness. As I learned during Olivia's fight and ultimately her death, there are so many wonderful people here who can and will offer prayers and kind words to try to ease the pain and guilt.
Know that this wonderful family is here for you. Please do not be a stranger.
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03/14/02 07:29 PM
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I'm trying to figure out it it could have been due to something toxic. The only thing I could possibly think of would be sunflower seeds that I sometimes give as treats. Could that have to do with it? Thanks for all of the input.
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03/14/02 10:55 PM
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My gliders get the canned Zoo Meds crickets, none live, and Jonesy never ate them. They never get corn because I know that's high in phosphorus. The only grain he would have gotten would be Special K or Rice Krispys on occasion. As a very special treat, he would get a crumb of an oyster cracker. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Confused]" src="images/icons/confused.gif" /> I still can't figure out what this could be from. I'm worried because Smei gets the same diet as him, and I'm not sure what to change, or if it really was diet to begin with. The vets really didn't seem to think it was diet, but I think that the people on this board are often better educated than vets are when it comes to gliders. If it was diet related, why didn't he shows signs of any illness before this? It was so sudden! And what about Smei? Thanks again for all the input, you're all so helpful! Amy and Smei <small>[ 03-14-2002, 10:00 PM: Message edited by: Amy ]</small>
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03/15/02 02:51 AM
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It's probably also important to note that aflatoxin livers have a very specific look, and that most every glider who dies of an illness will show damage to their liver. It's a jump to assume that a damaged liver = aflatoxin. So in the absence of testing, it would be impossible to know for sure. Just watch your other glider, Amy. It doesn't sound like your diet had these problems. Just watch for any signs of illness or lethargy. So sorry you're going through this. <img border="0" alt=" " title="" src="graemlins/worried2.gif" />
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03/15/02 08:49 PM
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Do you feed your gliders BML? and if you do do you change it at all or select for high calcium fruits/vegies etc. There was a discussion earlier this month http://sg.nsci.net/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=3;t=002513about warnings about the diet and increased liver size. I don't want to start anything I feel the BML diet when used properly is a very good diet I was just wondering. Other things that could of caused it is if your glider got poisoned. Was he a chewer or could of gotten into perfume, cleaner, toxic plant etc. all could be potentially harmful.
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03/15/02 11:29 PM
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There are no perfumes, cleaners, or plants in the room. It is extremely bare and glider safe. I feed a diet that is something like the BML, I suppose, but not quite. I feed a leadbeaters recipe that is different from the one on the BML link, which might be due to the fact that I haven't been on this site in a long time, probably well over a year. I also feed 1 tablespoon fruits and 1 of veggies with a large amount of variety. I don't feed corn or collard greens, which I've read can throw off calcium/phosphorus ratios. The leadbeaters that I make does not include babyfood like Bourbon's does, but I often add a bit on the side of the dish. I also feed boiled chicken / eggs, and tuna on occasion when we were out of chicken. As I stated earlier, I feed Zoo Med's canned crickets, but Jonesy never really liked or ate insects. I'm still baffled by all of this. Thanks for all the help. Amy and Smei
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03/16/02 12:27 AM
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Did you use a vitamin supplement at all? Too many vitamins can also cause it.
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03/17/02 01:50 AM
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akat- I only use a small amount of RepCal, which is mostly in the leadbeaters. About every 2 weeks I sprinkle a tiny amount over their fruits and veggies because they don't always eat the leadbeaters. I'd worry more that he wasn't geting Enough vitamins. In trying to find a cause for this, what kind of timeframe am I looking at? I don't know how far I should be thinking back. Thanks, Amy and Smei
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