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Re: Dr.Gloria Goodman and Possible Spay
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06/26/07 01:17 AM
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I have never heard of this being done, but it sounds really dangerous, as with any animal or human for that matter, to spay you must cut open the abdominal cavity, and also glider females have bifurcated (two) uterues and who knows what other anatomy challenges. I would concentrate more on finding out what is triggering her to lick (other then heat cycle) have they tested for Kidney problems? Someone else can probably offer more advice, but I would not spay, it sounds way too dangerous...
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Re: Dr.Gloria Goodman and Possible Spay
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I agree. Spaying is not reccomended.
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Re: Dr.Gloria Goodman and Possible Spay
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06/26/07 06:36 AM
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Please see these threads about spaying gliders. http://www.sugarglider.net/ubbthreads/ub...true#Post259230http://www.sugarglider.net/ubbthreads/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Board=5&Number=282053&Searchpage=1&Main=28020&Words=spay+princessmegi&topic=0&Search=true#Post282053
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Re: Dr.Gloria Goodman and Possible Spay
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06/26/07 06:39 PM
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in my opinion and aussie vets opinions its as good as killing a glider if you spay them its way too risky and the chances of them dying are close to 98 percent. i would never put a glider thru this.
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Re: Dr.Gloria Goodman and Possible Spay
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06/26/07 06:44 PM
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This is what I have always heard and 2 different vets are telling me I should spay her and I tell them I'm not willing to take that risk. I'm going to Dr. Goodman to see what she can recommend. Theresa
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Re: Dr.Gloria Goodman and Possible Spay
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06/26/07 08:42 PM
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With most animals having them spayed is a relatively easy procedure. However with suggies it becomes much more difficult for several reasons. One is they have 2 uteruses rather than 1. Second is due to their small size the amount of blood they would lose during the procedure would be life threatening. In my opinion it should only be something that is attempted as a last ditch effort to save a suggies life. With your little one & the chronic UTI's during her cycle....well I can sympathize with you. My Syddie has problems with her cycle as well & develops chronic pouch infections when she goes into season. Her pouch becomes swollen & has a nasty discharge. Rather than going for a "spay" to correct the problem, we have chosen to put her on a maintence program where we clean her pouch on a regular basis & apply a topical antibiotic ointment. Then a few days before her cycle is due to start I'd put her on an oral antibiotic to help with the internal swelling. So far this seems to be working & the pouch has returned to normal a few days after her cycle is over. You may want to ask your vet about a maintainance program for Bug rather than risking a spay.
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Re: Dr.Gloria Goodman and Possible Spay
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i dont care what the vet says ive heard it by many vets. oh ive done spays before. there is big money in it for them. dont risk it. no matter what. if the meds arent working you need to find one that will just keep swiching till u find the right one. if you do a urine culture and sensitivity before she is on meds at least she must be off 4 days this test will tell u the right meds to treat the problem. and it is alot easier than spaying which will kill your glider more than likely. they die of blood loss. they dont have much blood in their body thats why it is difficult to get blood work on them and with spaying the die from blood loss.
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Re: Dr.Gloria Goodman and Possible Spay
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06/27/07 01:33 AM
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actually, theresaw at the NEaB the vet who spoke there spoke about gliders and spays. She said that a spay should only be done if it is to treat an existing condition, such as UTIs. She went into some specifics about it and how it definitely can be done safely. You should concider calling her. her name is Dr. Aubrey Fitch at the Bristol Animal Hospital.. she can give you some good names of poeple to see in PA. Maybe i am being forgetful, but were you at the NEaB, because someone asked her the exact same question abou the glider getting chronic UTIs and getting spayed could help!
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Re: Dr.Gloria Goodman and Possible Spay
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06/28/07 12:19 AM
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a spay might have been successful once. but, as i said the chances of the glider not recovering are greater. the chance of losing the glider is far too great if i were the owner also the stress on the glider can kill it. i would rather chance finding an alternative method or diet change. according to vets in australia i have spoken with even bloodwork is far too stressful and should be a last resort.
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Re: Dr.Gloria Goodman and Possible Spay
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I have never really up on the "spay" topic, but I would probably stay away from it too. It does sound VERY risky, I guess you would need to get as much info as possible, weigh your risks, and then take your chances on what you believe is right. I my self would not do it though.
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Re: Dr.Gloria Goodman and Possible Spay
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06/28/07 12:05 PM
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She went into some specifics about it and how it definitely can be done safely. Spay's have not been considered safe- I do know medicine is a revolving door and can be enhanced but it hasn't been done. Lindsay since the vet you spoke with suggest it "can definitely be done safely" Have one of your girls spaded and let us know how it goes. Until you do take one of your girls in and have it successfully done- I don't think you should recommend it being safe. I would spend more time getting to the root of the UTI problems instead of chancing an experiemental procedure that hasn't been shown to be safe yet. Unless someone can come here and say they've had it done successfully & safely-I would pass and for a long time.
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Re: Dr.Gloria Goodman and Possible Spay
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06/28/07 12:18 PM
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The vet that i had spoken to and the vet that theresa spoke to were the same people. If i had a girl that was having chronic UTIs that were mainly caused when the glider went into heat and the only way to help the glider was to spay her, then it would definitely be an option.. I am NOT saying yes jump right into it and do it blindly! However, the vet that i spoke with (and theresa) was Extremely knowlegable and had worked specifically with sugar gliders for many years. Theresa, if you have more questions about spays, you might want to contact Dr. Satinas at the south wilton veterinary hospitals. That is the doctor who dr. fitch said is the #1 sugar glider vet in the area and he is extremely educated on the topic of spays. I do agree with trying to get to the root of the UTIs but if the glider is suffering, and you can find the BEST vet that has actually done multiple spays sucessfully, then you are right in concidering it because it could be the only way to alleviate your gliders discomfort from the UTIs If you need help contacting Dr. Satinas, let me know.. maybe a drive to CT might be in order to have him see your little girl..
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Re: Dr.Gloria Goodman and Possible Spay
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Well, it has been done with out any complications, but only by a very knowledgably vet who has done it before. If you have questions about spaying a sugar glider (for rescue reasons) i would contact Dr. Aubery Fitch. She is very nice and would happily answer your questions.
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Re: Dr.Gloria Goodman and Possible Spay
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I am not considering spaying "Bug" at this point but I'm saying 2 different vets recommended that. She has hadnumerous tests done and after seeing Dr. Goodman today is trying a different antibiotic for 2 - 4 weeks and may have another ultrasound if she is still haing problems. Theresa
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Re: Dr.Gloria Goodman and Possible Spay
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I really hope the meds take care of her and help "Bug" to over come whatever issues she is having. I would hate to think of her having to go through a spaying....
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Re: Dr.Gloria Goodman and Possible Spay
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06/28/07 10:09 PM
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Have you talked to Jen (xfilefan)? I know that she's had several gliders who have had chronic UTI problems so she may have some insight on what to try next.
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Re: Dr.Gloria Goodman and Possible Spay
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06/28/07 11:31 PM
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Theresaw, did you have your vet contact Dr. Tristan as I had recommended in a pm? Very curious to know what other vets that are experienced in exotics you had your vet talk to.
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Re: Dr.Gloria Goodman and Possible Spay
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06/29/07 07:57 AM
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I may be missing something here, but how on earth can a SPAY (removal of the uterus) help with a UTI (urinary tract aka BLADDER infection)? The two are not related.
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Re: Dr.Gloria Goodman and Possible Spay
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06/29/07 10:27 PM
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I gave Dr. Goodman the phone number for Dr. Tristan but she wanted to talk to some other vets she knows first. Jen the reason the other vets suggested a spay is because she seems to get the UTI after being in heat. She licks herself alot when in heat and they think this may lead to the UTI?? And once again I'm not even considering a spay but this is what 2 vets recommended. Theresa
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Re: Dr.Gloria Goodman and Possible Spay
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06/29/07 10:41 PM
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The licking could be irritating, or getting bacteria in where it shouldn't be. More likely is the infection is not clearing, and a couple weeks is common for a recurrence when not all the bacteria is gotten-figure 2 weeks antibiotics, 2 weeks for it to come back, and you have a month that coincides with the heat. A spay, however, will not fix the problem, as the uterus is not the only source of hormones. As glidrz5 suggested, maintenance for a recurrent problem is a much safer alternative. I'd have a hard time with a surgery that not only has a small chance of helping with a problem, but a very good chance your glider won't come out alive or would have serious lifelong problems for whatever life remains to them. In other mammals, ie-dogs, cats, where these organs open directly to the outside of the body, that could make some sense. But a gliders are all internal-and it may be coincidence that these occur together, considering they all open into a common aperture that is internal rather than external (bowel, bladder, reproductive). Otherwise neutered males would have the same issues-I've had a few little 'men' with recurrent UTIs, plus two of my girls. Add to that that a glider's heat is not like that of a placental mammal-they don't bleed, or produce a discharge of any kind that can contribute to bacterial growth in the area. I would ask, what are the test results when they diagnose a UTI, and her symptoms (other than the licking-that could be caused by a number of different things)? Also, has the vet checked the anal glands? It could also be that when she's in heat makes an existing problem just uncomfortable enough in combination with whatever else is going on to trigger the licking at that point. Your vet is also welcome to call mine-either Dr. Harris or Dr. Folland-both under the vet links for Utah.
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