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Re: Dr. Johnson-Delaney : Glider Diet Shocker! Pa [Re: ] #47662
06/02/05 08:03 AM
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I like Jessie, see this going south as well.

I don't think I ever once bashed or said bad comments about another diet in this thread. I'm also not one to diet switch. I'm a smart, educated woman who has a brain and can think for herself. I don't do make my own diets so people think I'm cool and I don't try to mess with an existing one. I haven't approached anyone in a rude manner and have only tried to explain myself, and although I respect you very much Charlie, I was much offended by your post to me. I give you the respect and common courtesy you deserve, and I feel at least some of that should be returned.

Yes this diet is old, and yes, maybe the vet should be here telling us about this, but then again, if I saw this and it was my diet, I wouldn't want to stop in and give a "friendly" hello either.

There are only a few things I am still wondering about, and since everything that is said seems to be attacked I will take it elsewhere.

thanks Marla for the great discussion

Re: Dr. Johnson-Delaney : Glider Diet Shocker! Pa [Re: ] #47663
06/02/05 09:56 AM
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Please forgive the long post, like Marla said, this is for the few dedicated ones remaining...

<img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/frown.gif" alt="" /> I am sorry to hear this, Tmarie. I have the absolute greatest respect for you, and I don't think that you have bashed or made any bad comments here at all in this diet thread. Quite the opposite, in fact, you have asked loads of questions concerning the Dr. J-D diet, which NEEDED to be asked (and answered!) before anyone should switch to this diet.

You have a ton more experience with gliders than I do, and although I don't think of myself as a "dummy", lol, I just personally don't feel comfortable (no matter how much I research it at this point) with trying to follow this diet, although I DO find it very interesting. In fact, I applaud you for questioning the diet and seeking clarification (as anyone considering using it should!). I've seen in your other posts that you, and a few others, are actively working to compile a proper list -- you WANT to follow the diet AS IT IS INTENDED. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" /> You are doing all of the proper research and verifications BEFORE you switch -- as anyone should. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />

I think the concern (for the gliders!) is that newer members, such as myself, just MIGHT take the diet and follow it the best they CAN... but who just MIGHT grab any old nectar/pollen/whatever... and "tweak" or "substitute" according to their understanding of the diet.

I know, long ago, that I had read "somewhere" (can't remember where!) that I should provide eucalyptus for my Sugi (this was before I got all the others). Well, gung ho, there I went, trying to find eucalyptus ANYWHERE... finally, I found Australiaplants.com website and was PREPARED to ORDER. I STOPPED! *blinked eyes* WOW! There there are over 288 varieties of eucalyptus!!!! My goodness, I thought to myself, how in the heck am I supposed to NARROW that down? Australiaplants.com advises . . . .

Call me TIMID, but I just don't feel qualified, on my own which is what other new users COULD or JUST MIGHT do, to make those kind of decisions for my gliders.

Someone also (was it big Ern! ?) made the comment (and I am paraphrasing to the best of my ability because I am ready to head out of town) [. . . that other vets, marsupial experts, etc. wouldn't visit our board, and that was an unfortunate or sad situation . . .] Well, I would have to agree with that comment. That IS sad. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/frown.gif" alt="" />

I really thought, though, after having read Mikey's [observation: he uses BML, guess that surprised me! <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" /> ] AND big Ern!'s posts, and the last comment by Pockets was that this thread was BEGINNING to take a slight upturn!! <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />

Pockets, your PML is also quite interesting, and I don't think anyone was bashing the PML diet either (did I miss something somewhere?).

diet is a fascinating subject, and we are all here to learn from one another. As was stated above, we should leave the past politics out of the thread(s), and consider the INFORMATION BEING PRESENTED, NOT THE USER.

I agree with the comments above (Tmarie), that "the vet should be here telling us all about this . . ." but why stop JUST here?. Why doesn't she present her information IN a formal paper (and Marla GRACIOUSLY explained that the diet, as SHE [Marla] had presented to us was just informational. Marla, as a GC member, was merely sharing the information, which she had requested. That's cool! THANK YOU, MARLA!! <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />

Honestly, Marla, I admire your discussion of your first glider, and I smiled as I read it. Yours was an incredibly sweet story of "that first glider." <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" /> I love that!!! And, I applaud you for volunteering to share Dr. J-D's diet information!!! <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />

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Before I get into this, let me state that the handout was requested by me, it was an MSWord file DR.JD had on her computer of her continuing NOTES on the subject, it IS NOT a formal PAPER, and should not be held to that standard. I have already volunteered to compile her most current data into an OFFICIAL GUIDE, which will not have those errors.

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And you are right, the PDF file that I have received is NOT a formal paper! <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" /> There was no abstract (which typically precedes formal research), and there was no journal publication data in the footer (that I can recall), nor any bibliography, or works cited (which every researcher MUST include in any formal work). The information that you presented was just that -- information -- and you told us where you got it so that we could EACH consider it, or NOT!, for OURSELVES. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />

I truly mean these comments in the VERY BEST POSSIBLE LIGHT... I am NOT criticizing anyone (lest my tone/mood be misunderstood here, as these threads can sometimes be misinterpreted) <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />

However, I would love to see the research formally published and presented for ALL to share -- even if it is on another website (an academic one, where the message is not contested, but CAN be questioned through reading through the research that Dr. J-D has considered in HER research . . . just like Tmarie had PROFESSIONALLY questioned to LEARN and to better UNDERSTAND the intricacies/ramifications of the diet).

Ideally, this website, journal publication (or whatever media) should be presented by her perhaps this is already underway?? (please, no offense is intended here) . . . as you well know, all faculty/researches/scientists actively promote their work and seek professional publication.

To be frank, their work is INDEPENDENT of the masses at large (researchers should -- and DO -- present empirical studies, which they present in their unique study, evidence that THEY have considered and accepted and/or considered and rejected to formulate their OWN unique position -- which is why they are the experts. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />

There are those here, in this board, or can and WOULD really appreciate this information. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" /> Let's have that... the formal paper... the presentation... and the means to be able to read and fully consider the works of the researcher.

Surely, any researcher would actively promote (and defend, if necessary, which is the heart of discourse of any argument/theory/hypothesis being presented) "the topic." This is why students MUST defend their OWN theses and dissertations. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />

ALSO, like Marla has stated previously, </font><blockquote><font class="small">Quote:</font><hr />
I truly respect ALL of you tremendously, PLEASE do not take any of my points personally

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Consider me Rosie I. Glassis..... but I see a very POSITIVE light to this thread! We are ALL learning something here, which CAN BENEFIT our gliders!! Again, that's why I am still here and "hangin' on tight". . . I dearly hope this thread "makes it."

Sign me,
CGARNES/Rosie I. Glassis

Re: Dr. Johnson-Delaney : Glider Diet Shocker! Pa [Re: ] #47664
06/02/05 10:26 AM
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This post continues to "go south", because so many continue to defend themselves. Get rid of the attitude, and back to the diet discussion, and this thread will remain open <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/ooo.gif" alt="" />.

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Re: Dr. Johnson-Delaney : Glider Diet Shocker! Pa [Re: ] #47665
06/02/05 11:55 AM
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I am exceedingly disappointed in this post. It started off as a wonderful learning tool, and has turned into.... well, what a lot of posts seem to turn into on GC, bashing; diets, people, products. How sad.

I feel my intelligence has been insulted. Bourbon and Charlie, I believe you talk down to people and I find it very rude. Your tone of "voice" makes me very uninclined to listen to anything you have to say. I do not feel either of you contributed to this thread yet you added a great deal of filler to it, making it harder for people to read through.

Ernie and Jessie, thank you for your posts. You both said everything I wanted to in much more tactful words. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/thumb.gif" alt="" />

Marla, compliments on your last post as well <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/yelclap.gif" alt="" /> I truly think this was a wonderful thread that just turned to a pile of poo. I am very interested in the final document you come up with. Please do not be discouraged by this thread to post it when it is finalized.

I for one was not aware this information was so "old". I still think it is very useful information, and still plan on utilizing these diets.

Marla, I look forward to your finalized post in the future with enthusiasm.

Cheers <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/gliderangel.gif" alt="" />

Re: Dr. Johnson-Delaney : Glider Diet Shocker! Pa [Re: ] #47666
06/02/05 12:03 PM
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This post has sereved it pourpose and long over due to be closed. A warning of closure was made by both a Administrator and a Moderator and yet you continue to to defend yourselves and that is not what this post is about. This will be closed now, and please do not start another one as obviously it will not remain on topic or follow the boards rule!!!


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