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Re: Florida suggie owners... [Re: ] #536405
04/25/08 08:59 AM
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Well they are probably trying to come up with the easiest way to get out of the BBB's investigations. I wonder if everyone in the (PPP) Perfect Pocket Pets's thread has done that? Reported them to the BBB's in their respective areas. A FLOOD of those reports might trigger some kind of higher up law enforcement or investigation maybe? I dont know.

Someone should probably go over to that group of (PPP) Perfect Pocket Pets threads and mention it if they already didn't recommend every who has dealt with the (PPP) Perfect Pocket Pets to do that!


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Re: Florida suggie owners... [Re: ] #536422
04/25/08 09:12 AM
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OK, don't panic! That law has been around since the 90's. Florida was unique in the way it set up laws on wildlife because it was the first to mandate cage size and cage conditions, not just for gliders but for almost all animals held in captivity. The only problem is that Florida Wildlife doesn't have the manpower to enforce these laws in private homes. So they’re not going to come busting your door down with a ruler in their hand. The do keep a close watch on commercial animal keeper like Animal parks and Zoos. If you read the whole set of rules there are also different rules for animals that are being transported and for animals that are for sale.

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Re: Florida suggie owners... [Re: hushpuppy] #536441
04/25/08 09:48 AM
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Well if the law has been around since the 90's, there are many Licensed breeders here in Fl. So i think there is nothing to worry about, since i think not all of the cages meet that standard, and yet have been licensed anyway.

Re: Florida suggie owners... [Re: ] #536454
04/25/08 10:11 AM
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Wow.. i was wondering.. how in the world and where in the world am i going to get a cage that size... since my babies ARE chewers....

Re: Florida suggie owners... [Re: ] #536457
04/25/08 10:17 AM
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I think this was a recent change that took effect for PET homes as of 1/1/08 if you read the opening post to this thread. Im not sure, because Im at work and have everything book marked at home. I believe zoo and such have always had to have exhibits that large, but this now includes PET homes as well. But your right, they aren't going to come knocking on doors, but us keeping our suggies in our homes in less than the laws say is still breaking the law.

Has ANYONE in FL been inspected by the USDA since 1/1/08 for their license AND been approved with less and 4x4x4 cages THIS year? Maybe that will prove or disprove?


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Re: Florida suggie owners... [Re: MatchMakerMagic] #536479
04/25/08 10:44 AM
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So does anyone have a copy of this new law. If it does exist it shold be posted on the internet. I've been thruoug the Fla Wildlife's laws a lot in the last few months and I don't see where they've made any changes. Maybe I'm missing something. I know this isn't going to make me real popular but I really wish that they would enforce this.


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Re: Florida suggie owners... [Re: hushpuppy] #536490
04/25/08 11:03 AM
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Ok, hang on, I just found something date 1,1, 08. give me a little time to study it.


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Re: Florida suggie owners... [Re: hushpuppy] #536494
04/25/08 11:10 AM
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I wish I could help you more, but Im in and out and supposed to be working (shhh dont tell anyone!!!) lol.

I have it all bookmarked at home and read it at length. I recall seeing a date and it specifically covering pet homes now... Something to that effect... But I can't for sure quote anything from my desk here at work.

Let us know Anita!


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Re: Florida suggie owners... [Re: MatchMakerMagic] #536503
04/25/08 11:36 AM
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OK, Rule 68A is the rule that covers all pet cage sizes, not just gliders. It's quite long. It seems that they have made some changes somewhere in the law, but the part about gliders is the same as it has always been.


This IS the same law that has been on the books since the 90's. And they don't enforce it because it would take a huge staff. Remember it's not just suggies that we are talking about. The wildlife rule book mandates cage size for all animals held in captivity. Can you imagine trying to enforce that? What a nightmare.

Also, did you know that in Australia, the minimum cage size is 10 x 10? If our government was a lot tougher on cages, it would stop a lot of this impulse buying, thats for sure.

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Re: Florida suggie owners... [Re: hushpuppy] #536505
04/25/08 11:38 AM
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Also, I wish that tey would make that cubic feet instead of floor space. Since gliders art tree animals, I think height is as important ans width and lenth.


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Re: Florida suggie owners... [Re: ] #536514
04/25/08 11:55 AM
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There is a site called Uncle Henry's where I found a person that will custom make cages. You could probably order from them and have them shipped. They seemed reasonably priced....
It's http://www.unclehenrys.com
You should be able to post an ad about what size cage you'd need and then wait for a contact! smile

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Re: Florida suggie owners... [Re: ] #536522
04/25/08 12:08 PM
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Also, the site is based in Maine so shipping may be pricey.

Re: Florida suggie owners... [Re: ] #537125
04/26/08 08:21 AM
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i made a cage that is 7'x30"x30" does that fit the requirement?


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Re: Florida suggie owners... [Re: Anai] #537131
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No the requirements are 4x4x4. 30" is not 4 ft.


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Re: Florida suggie owners... [Re: reeny] #540726
05/01/08 03:06 AM
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I think this would be a great law if we lived in an area without such drastic variation on temperatures, but with cages 4' or larger, some ppl.might have to keep them outside. With summer temp. here reaching 100F, and during winter having a variation of 20 to 30 F between day and night, that would probably cause the gliders to get very ill, therefore this law would actually cause them more harm; it doesn't say the cage have to be in an environment with controlled temp. I can see the good intentions of it, but (specially for home gliders) there haven't been much thought about the viability of it.

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