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I'm nauseated and need HELP! Scared for Tonight!
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06/19/08 02:32 PM
06/19/08 02:32 PM
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angelic4296
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Alright so intros were complete b/n Ruthie and Giz...we had 3 blissful nights of being in the same cage with new stuff and one or two things from each of them with their scent on it...grooming eachother, clicking at eachother, barking for eachother within the cage, playing with eachother, etc....true love. Last night...different story. Their cage is in my bedroom. I woke up to crabbing and chasing. Gizmo was aggressively and with purpose chasing Ruthie around the cage. The only time he wasn't going after her was when she was running in her wheel, and at times he'd even wait by the wheel to see if she'd come out. When she dared to come out (she almost knew not to), he would in a mean way chase her throughout the cage, crabbing at eachother the whole time. I had her quarantine cage for the most part still set up so I took her wheel and main sleeping spot and put her back in her cage for the rest of the night, plus all the other toys and hiding spots in there (this was 4:45 a.m., they go to bed at 6:15, so this wasn't all night). I was just afraid for her - no there were no balling up fights (I know I've been told that as long as they're not balled up fighting violently, it's ok). Nothing serious ever happened, but I think that's only b/c she's quciker than him and he didn't catch her - I don't even want to know what would have happened if he had, she's smaller tban him. Plus this was my first time w/ intros, so I didn't know what was acceptable and normal in terms of quarreling. A few things I noticed: A) As soon as Ruthie had food and water to herself in her own cage, she started GOBBLING food. Now they each know their own food bowls - when they come out of their pouch for the night, they each go to their own food bowls and eat, but I still found that odd - could Gizmo be food hogging? If so, what do I do about it? B) Giz sat looking down from the top shelf on the cage looking intently for her after I had taken her out - he's done that on occasion when she's in the wheel, but he literally sat there for almost half an hour. I can't figured out who started what or who made who mad, but Ruthie was def. scared and Giz was def. mad. Where do I go from here? Am I starting all over with intros? Am I letting them sleeping together during the day but not in the same cage at night playing for a few days? Or is this behavior normal? Is is establishing territory or just a lovers' quarrel? Should I still take the approach that as long as they don't ball up fighting, they need to be able to settle arguments like this? I'm just scared b/c Giz was on a mission. The bizarre part is that they're currently sleeping in the same sleeping spot again since 6:30 a.m. I took them both out in seperate pouches to make sure they were OK and Ruthie crawled right in w/ Giz and he had no problem with it. Now what? I'm dreading tonight b/c I have no idea what cage arrangements should be....please please help and offer me advice, I'm terrified!
Jess
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Re: I'm nauseated and need HELP! Scared for Tonight!
[Re: angelic4296]
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06/19/08 03:11 PM
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SugareeErin
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If they continue this behavior I would split them and spend more time on intros, supervised play and sleep time. Keep two or more sleeping pouches in the cage just incase. It's good that you have the 2 food dishes, you may even want to have three. Some gliders are food agressive. Chasing is very stressful for them and can lead to fighting. I have had a similar experience, mine were together one week when my female was bit in the tail. There had been some chasing which is why your post makes my nervous for your girl. Hopefully they will be okay tonight but keep a second cage on standby just incase.
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Re: I'm nauseated and need HELP! Scared for Tonight!
[Re: SugareeErin]
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06/19/08 03:41 PM
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It sounds like Gizmo is getting territorial about food, toys, pouches, cage with Ruthie, unfortunately. It does sound like Gizmo is hogging the food and is making Ruthie nervous about eating her food. Gizmo is showing his dominance and territoriality over Ruthie, poor girl. What I would do is take Gizmo out at feeding time, to give Ruthie a chance to eat what she wants. When she leaves the food bowl and goes to play, then put Gizmo in with her. If this behavorial pattern continues for tonight, then I suggest separating the two. Sometimes we have to take two steps backwards, one step forward, two steps backwards, etc. when it comes to bonding with each other. I would also suggest to continue swapping pouches, toys, and even cages for a bit while longer. I am so glad you are so "in tune" with your gliders! That is what makes you such an excellent mommy! Hope this helps! Jen
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Re: I'm nauseated and need HELP! Scared for Tonight!
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06/19/08 03:55 PM
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I agree with what was said above - great advice from great suggie mamas! My other bit of advise is two sepparate single-sized kitchens. I use plastic recipe boxes that I cut a "door" in. I use it upside down so the food dish sits on the lid of the box. Then I put each at opposite sides of the cage with the doors facing apart (I actually put the doors facing against the side of the cage). This way not only can only one glider fit at a time, but the doors face apart so that it's hard to see in there. Perhaps that would help in addition to her getting her own dinner time??
Good luck - please keep us posted!
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Re: I'm nauseated and need HELP! Scared for Tonight!
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06/19/08 04:48 PM
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She might be in heat also...
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Re: I'm nauseated and need HELP! Scared for Tonight!
[Re: angelic4296]
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06/19/08 07:12 PM
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When females are in heat, will the males get aggressive like that even if they're neutered?? from what i have seen with my boys, yes. Malachai is neutered and when Sophie when into heat he went from being a sweetie to a meanie for about two or three nights. i could be wrong but i think it is a males way of showing he still has it..even though he doesnt
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Re: I'm nauseated and need HELP! Scared for Tonight!
[Re: morbidelf]
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06/19/08 07:28 PM
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Let's hope that is the case of Ruthie being in heat and that Gizmo is being like this for only a couple of days...
Jen
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Re: I'm nauseated and need HELP! Scared for Tonight!
[Re: angelic4296]
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06/19/08 10:35 PM
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If she wants nothing to do with him, then I would separate her from Gizmo, but do put their cages next to each other, so they wouldn't be alienated. There is no sense letting Gizmo stress poor Ruthie anymore.
I am not sure how long the cycle lasts in female gliders. I heard it lasts just a couple days but haven't read anything to confirm that.
Jen
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Re: I'm nauseated and need HELP! Scared for Tonight!
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06/19/08 11:32 PM
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angelic4296
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Ok and now they;re in seperate resting quarters, Ruthie has her head sticking out of Hippo like looking for him, Gizmo is in a tent...they usually rest together...but get this....
Gizmo started peeing before and she cleaned him up down there a bit and he sat there and let her, they were sniffing eachother a bit, again making bodily contact too....they're so hot and cold, I don't know which way to go....seperate or leave together...guys, help, someone just give me the perfect answer!!!! lol I'm scared!
Jess
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Re: I'm nauseated and need HELP! Scared for Tonight!
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06/19/08 11:43 PM
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I had the same problem with two of my glider pairs. I'd try to let them stay together at night but they would argue and crab and throw all kinds of fits so I would separate them but keep their cages close together. NOT within reach, but within sight of each other. During the day, I kept them in the same bonding pouch and kept the pouch on me all day. It took about a month of this before they started getting along.
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Re: I'm nauseated and need HELP! Scared for Tonigh
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06/20/08 12:26 AM
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You have been given some great advice so far! Don't stress...the gliders will definately pick up on your stress . IF you can put their cages side by side, I would try that for a while. Now...this is going to go in the oppostite direction, but I am only posting this because I have had several pairs for many years and the last pair pulled this exact same behavior on me. Exactly everything you are describing. They are so bad, during OOC playtime, one will think the other is a strange new big bad glider and the balling up fighting begins. Then...an ...Oh, sorry, that's you...my bad. EVERY night. I now laugh when they do it...BUT...I know them and their behaviors very very well. Armani even gets attitude back at Prada if she gets upset with him for smacking her around...it's crazy. Few things....are these young gliders? (they could be establishing dominance) Do you KNOW their personalities? (if this is completely out of character for these 2...no doubt separate them). There is a full moon. It could be a heat cycle for the female OR it could be a combination of all of the above . Regardless, if YOU feel (in your gut so to speak) they should be separated...listen to yourself . Karin
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Re: I'm nauseated and need HELP! Scared for Tonigh
[Re: angelic4296]
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06/20/08 12:34 AM
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I think it's a Catch 22. If there is no injury, and the balling up is only momentarily...I would leave them together HOWEVER....it may very well be your male changed his mind (not common, but can happen.) Jess...follow your gut on this one. Yes...alot of glider's act goofy during a full moon. Some don't eat, others eat more...some sleep, some don't...try to watch the moon cycles and get to know what yours do. That was the only thing that worked for me every month when I would get frustrated (I FINALLY figured it out, lol)
Last edited by Karin; 06/20/08 12:35 AM.
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Re: I'm nauseated and need HELP! Scared for Tonigh
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06/20/08 06:01 PM
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hmmm, i think there is all kinds of good advice here. personaly, and i am in no way an expert, as long as he is nothing hurting her, i would leave them togehter. i also believe there is a good chance she could be in heat.
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Re: I'm nauseated and need HELP! Scared for Tonigh
[Re: LSardou]
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06/21/08 09:34 AM
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How were things with Gizmo and Ruthie last night? Are they cuddling up together and playing together nicely now?
Jen
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Re: I'm nauseated and need HELP! Scared for Tonigh
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06/21/08 11:48 AM
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Glad we could help! That is what we are here for, to help one another out!
Glad to hear that Gizmo and Ruthie are getting along better!
Jen
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Re: I'm nauseated and need HELP! Scared for Tonigh
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06/21/08 02:59 PM
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Karin
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Yeah! Karin
Miss Lily and Bud Prada and Armani Tessa, Deuce and Cami Tira and Misu Deja and Vu Glider Daydreams
"Life is not about waiting for the storm to pass...It is about learning to dance in the rain!"
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Re: I'm nauseated and need HELP! Scared for Tonigh
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06/21/08 03:19 PM
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SugareeErin
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YAY, Glad your gliders are getting along. They can be such brats sometimes lol
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