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Re: T+ Creamino with a T- albino?
[Re: konotashi]
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If one of it's parents were an albino or albino het then the cremino would be a possible albino het as well.
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Re: T+ Creamino with a T- albino?
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09/04/08 09:25 PM
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Priscilla paired a creamino with an albino and got....
Gray babies! Very surprising, lol. But they are double hets.
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Re: T+ Creamino with a T- albino?
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That's very interesting Stacie Bet that one was unexpected! But it makes perfect sense if both creamino and albino are autosomal recessive traits.
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Re: T+ Creamino with a T- albino?
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Yep. Talking to a snake breeder, I was told T- plus T+ equaled an albino with blue eyes. Maybe it is hit or miss. I never expected they could have gray babies. Tyler, has P paired a leu with an albino yet? There was a lot of speculation on what you would end up with. Many people believed that 2 white gliders could not produce a gray. After this, I believe leu plus albino would equal a gray double het.
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Re: T+ Creamino with a T- albino?
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then a creamino with a leu would????????????
do what?
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Re: T+ Creamino with a T- albino?
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Yes we did get grey babies! Very Very pretty babies though. We were going off a something Stacy had said once- your supposed to get a blue eyed white. That was according to snakes though(i think). Maybe the babies from this pairing created a new gene though????? Who knows?!?!?! I thought that the theory was that if you paired a LEU and albino you'd get blue-eyed whites? Not cremino and albino... Perhaps she should try pairing a leu and a cremino? Since those are both whole genes and albino is only a partial gene. Right?
~Nicole~ Proudly enslaved by lots of silly suggies, 3 crazy kitties, a huffy hedgie, and a pretty puppy!
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Re: T+ Creamino with a T- albino?
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Wow. I should ask my dad. He used to be a snake breeder and might know about this stuff!
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Re: T+ Creamino with a T- albino?
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I think that two creaminos would make another creamino, since they would both be T+, but honestly, I have no idea. Those snakes look amazing, though. It's possible that a creamino x leu would make a blue eyed leu. That'd be amazing! I wonder how much those would go for.... I can just imagine how beautiful they'd be.
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Re: T+ Creamino with a T- albino?
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09/05/08 02:37 AM
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I think the genetics that confuse me the most next to this is WF. Is it dominant, co-dominant, or what? I have no idea what goes on with WF! WF is exactly the same as mosaic.
~Nicole~ Proudly enslaved by lots of silly suggies, 3 crazy kitties, a huffy hedgie, and a pretty puppy!
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Re: T+ Creamino with a T- albino?
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09/05/08 07:39 AM
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Judie, I have paired a creamino from Susan's line with a het out of Victor and gotten full colored creamino joeys that are identical in color to their creamino parent.
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Re: T+ Creamino with a T- albino?
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Holy cow I feel dumb. You guys lost me in the very beginning. One of these days I'm gonna have to sit down with someone and have them explain it to me on paper. I'm one of those learners.
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Re: T+ Creamino with a T- albino?
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why is there so few albinos being born..and more creamios?
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Re: T+ Creamino with a T- albino?
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I am not saying the creaminos and albino are one in the same. I believe that Susan's creamino line only carries the T+ gene. Therefore, they will never be able to produce albinos, since they do not have the T- gene. On the other hand, the Moe and Disko line seem to carry the T+ AND T- genes. That is why we have seen creamino AND albino babies appear from this line. Once again, paired to Susan's T+ line, they are only able to produce T+ joeys or hets and not albinos. To produce an albino, both parents must carry the T- gene. Susan's line doesn't have it.
By pairing a creamino from Susan's line with a T+/T- het from Moe and Disko's line and producing a creamino, I believe it confirms that they are the same T+ gene and Susan's line is not another variation altogether.
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Re: T+ Creamino with a T- albino?
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why is there so few albinos being born..and more creamios? Become the cremino gene is complete, while the albino gene is only partial. So, if a glider has both genes then it is more likely to produce a cremino because the gene is stronger. Make sense?
~Nicole~ Proudly enslaved by lots of silly suggies, 3 crazy kitties, a huffy hedgie, and a pretty puppy!
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Re: T+ Creamino with a T- albino?
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09/05/08 08:52 PM
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Awww Tyler sorry for your loss hugs..
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Re: T+ Creamino with a T- albino?
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I have two 50% albino hets i hope they prove out to be 100%, they have joeys ip..we will wait and see
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Re: T+ Creamino with a T- albino?
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09/05/08 09:28 PM
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I think that once creme-ino is produced from the Albino line that is all you are going to get. Since it is so strong it is just going to overpower t-.
That can't be true because Sheila's Humperdink and Snowflake produced 2 albinos(Dimples and Victor) and 2 creminos. So, although the cremino gene is stronger, that doesn't make it impossible for a pair to produce albinos AND creminos.
~Nicole~ Proudly enslaved by lots of silly suggies, 3 crazy kitties, a huffy hedgie, and a pretty puppy!
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Re: T+ Creamino with a T- albino?
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09/05/08 09:31 PM
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Victor is pure white. He has ruby eyes, not burgundy. I don't believe he is dilute creamino. My dilute creaminos have the burgundy eyes, faint stripe and darker tails and pataganiums. He has none of those.
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