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Question about glue
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10/09/08 04:52 PM
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Ok, so I've asked one of my vets and he told me the same thing the human opthamologist I used to work for told me. I would like more input. What is the difference between Super Glue and the surgical super glue they use at the vets office or even in humans? And if they are the same, why is it safe to use when neutering (including the extra drops for the glider to focus on in stead of the surgery site) but it isn't safe to make toys with?
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Re: Question about glue
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10/09/08 04:55 PM
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I always used super glue on cuts and stuff when I was working for a groomer. Stings like crazy but when your in water all the time bandaids just don't work. Dunno about the toys though lmao just thought I would share.
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Re: Question about glue
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10/09/08 04:59 PM
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I do not know but with what we have experienced, avoid glue at all costs when possible. Only use it if it is NEEDED. My friends glider had removed his stitch, gotten a scab, then the vet covered the are with glue, three weeks in a collar this boy spent. We tried and tried to ease the glue off, nothing would budge it. We took him to the vet and the vet peeled it away but his fur came along with it, so he was bald and sore. Sore for a day, fur took weeks to grow back. He needed to be collared due to attempt to SM...all around it could have gone better and much faster without that darn glue. He is a very very stubborn boy, well now he is an angel and 100% passive. Lol.
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Re: Question about glue
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10/09/08 05:01 PM
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I always used super on any cuts i get on my hands...im not share why its not safe to use it to make glider toys ..thats a good question to ask..maybe it becouse they would try to eat the glue..but doesnt all glue have to be child safe anyway?
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Re: Question about glue
[Re: sweetheart26]
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10/09/08 05:07 PM
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I believe the surgical super glue is sterile, although I can't imagine bacteria or viral agents surviving in that chemical mix!
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Re: Question about glue
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10/09/08 05:18 PM
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With what I've been reading, this glue was first made way back in 1942. It was used during Vietnam in the field to stop bleeding with severe wounds and saved many many lives. It wasn't originally approved by the FDA for medical uses though because of the tendency to "irritate the skin" and possibly cause some skin burns. But this is in it's wet form, not after it is dry. However, using it on toys where it is completely dry before allowing the gliders near it, I don't think should be a problem at all. It also seems to be the same chemical compound used in the "liquid bandages". Now I would't put it on the wound of a glider but if it is safe to use on animals and humans alike, then why would it be unsafe to use on toys? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cyanoacrylate
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Re: Question about glue
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10/09/08 05:19 PM
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I believe the surgical super glue is sterile, although I can't imagine bacteria or viral agents surviving in that chemical mix! That could be but it is (like everything else) only sterile until it comes out of the container. This would be important in wound care but with toys, it shouldn't matter. Trust me, 10 minutes in a glider's cage and NO toy is sterile.
620-704-9109 Judge not until you have walked in their shoes and lived their lives. What you see online is only part of the story.
I could have missed the pain But I'd of had to miss the dance
The soul would have no rainbow if the eyes had no tears.
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Re: Question about glue
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10/09/08 05:27 PM
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Re: Question about glue
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10/09/08 06:42 PM
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I cant seem to find anything listing WHY it is dangerous if ingested, but there are many sources that say if it is ingested (dry) then to seek medical attention immediately. Specifically there is several mentions to the difficulty of swallowing liquid superglue - which I know has not much to do with toys as the glue would be dry. But like I said before, several places say super glue IS toxic and that if it is ingested even when dry to seek medical attention immediately. Im still searching. If I come up with why I'll post it.
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Re: Question about glue
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10/09/08 07:39 PM
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see, I've not found a single site that says it is toxic. Obviously you don't want anything consuming it wet (can you imagine your lips glued to your tongue!) And if it is toxic, then why has the FDA approved it for surgical use?
620-704-9109 Judge not until you have walked in their shoes and lived their lives. What you see online is only part of the story.
I could have missed the pain But I'd of had to miss the dance
The soul would have no rainbow if the eyes had no tears.
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Re: Question about glue
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10/09/08 07:39 PM
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So what I've been able to gather on this super glue topic is this: There are two basic types of "super glue": ethyl cyanoacrylate - which is the one usually found in your household super glue package. AND methyl cyanoacrylate - which is usually the formula used in medical grade/surgical glue because of its lower toxicity. Both are toxic to a degree, if ingested, inhailed, or skin contact. However packages CAN be labeled "non- toxic if used as directed" even when containing either compound. Ethyl cyanoacrylate if ingested and/or exposed to water to break down will break down into a couple components including formaldehyde. Formaldehyde is dangers and poisonous. Pretty much that is all I can find on this topic. It sure is HARD to research.
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Re: Question about glue
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10/09/08 08:01 PM
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Everything I've read so far has to do with both in LIQUID form, not dried form.....researching further....
620-704-9109 Judge not until you have walked in their shoes and lived their lives. What you see online is only part of the story.
I could have missed the pain But I'd of had to miss the dance
The soul would have no rainbow if the eyes had no tears.
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Re: Question about glue
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10/09/08 08:16 PM
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Ethyl 2-cyanoacrylate - is a clear, colourless liquid with a strong, acrid odor. It reacts readily with water to form a solid polymer. It is soluble in methyl ethyl ketone, toluene, acetone, N,N-dimethylformamide, and nitromethane.
Contact with alcohols, amines, or water may cause polymerization.
Degradation products include formaldehyde.
Thermal decomposition products may include hydrogen cyanide and oxides of carbon and nitrogen.
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Re: Question about glue
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10/09/08 08:23 PM
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By all means, post the links to your sources for me. Again, I've not found a single source for information on dried glues.
620-704-9109 Judge not until you have walked in their shoes and lived their lives. What you see online is only part of the story.
I could have missed the pain But I'd of had to miss the dance
The soul would have no rainbow if the eyes had no tears.
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Re: Question about glue
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10/09/08 08:51 PM
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Not at all Kinue. Like you, I am trying to do as much research on this as I can and I can't find anything on dried glues (either type). If you don't want to post the links, would you pm them to me? I just don't understand how they can use it as surgical glue if it is toxic. I see where the concern for formaldahyde is. Same reason you shouldn't let a child or animal play on new house hold carpet (loaded with formaldahyde!) I also would like this information, documentation, to pass on to my vet and several others that I know use these glues on animals.
620-704-9109 Judge not until you have walked in their shoes and lived their lives. What you see online is only part of the story.
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Re: Question about glue
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10/09/08 08:54 PM
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Oh, I did find on one site where they did some testing with rats. Again, this was liquid form of both types. In one test, they exposed the rats to the vapors. Another where they forced injestion. In the rats that died, the necropsies found large hard masses in the stomach, which they concluded was the polymerized glue. That is why you shouldn't injest it liquid. Seems like a no brainer there to me. lol (again, picturing tongue glued to lips)
620-704-9109 Judge not until you have walked in their shoes and lived their lives. What you see online is only part of the story.
I could have missed the pain But I'd of had to miss the dance
The soul would have no rainbow if the eyes had no tears.
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Re: Question about glue
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10/09/08 10:08 PM
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Wow Teresa...you've ALWAYS been against the use of glue...how much of a kickback are you getting from the sale of the new wheel??
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Re: Question about glue
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10/09/08 10:18 PM
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As I posted on LGG, this has nothing to do with the wheels. NOR do I get any money what so ever from B's wheels. If I choose to buy one, I pay the same as everyone else does. This is not about the wheels. As I also posted on LGG... So, if the research shows that the household type of super glue is unsafe, is it safe to use the surgical type to make toys. If not, why?
620-704-9109 Judge not until you have walked in their shoes and lived their lives. What you see online is only part of the story.
I could have missed the pain But I'd of had to miss the dance
The soul would have no rainbow if the eyes had no tears.
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Re: Question about glue
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10/09/08 10:20 PM
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Is there something that we consumers need to know here?
Edited to say that if TGI discontinued the sale of the Custom Cruiser for a safety reason & failed to notify the people who purchased the wheel via THEIR website - they have a legal issue on their hands, and frankly, IF that happened, I would be VERY ANGRY!
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THIS HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THE WHEEL!
620-704-9109 Judge not until you have walked in their shoes and lived their lives. What you see online is only part of the story.
I could have missed the pain But I'd of had to miss the dance
The soul would have no rainbow if the eyes had no tears.
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Re: Question about glue
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10/09/08 10:32 PM
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So, if the research shows that the household type of super glue is unsafe, is it safe to use the surgical type to make toys. If not, why? Surgical glue is made to glue skin, not plastic or other toy materials. This alone I think would make it unsafe because it's not going to give you as strong a bond as super glue would...
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Re: Question about glue
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10/09/08 10:35 PM
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But does that mean that it would be toxic? Also, from what I've read, neither were developed specifically as a medical item. That is just one of the benefits from it.
620-704-9109 Judge not until you have walked in their shoes and lived their lives. What you see online is only part of the story.
I could have missed the pain But I'd of had to miss the dance
The soul would have no rainbow if the eyes had no tears.
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Re: Question about glue
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10/09/08 10:46 PM
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T, not sure what your issue is, but I won't be risking it with my gliders. If one of yours had an issue with the super glue, I would love to see the results of the necropsy.
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Re: Question about glue
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10/09/08 10:47 PM
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With what I've been reading, this glue was first made way back in 1942. It was used during Vietnam in the field to stop bleeding with severe wounds and saved many many lives. I wouldn't rely on what they said the government used during the Vietnam War.....they also used Agent Orange.... and dunno if I can put this hear or not but Cyanoacrylate (CA) has been used as both a commercial and tissue adhesiveIt can be concluded that, if CA adhesive is used for repair of broken dentures, it will release substances which are toxic to human oral fibroblast cells.
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Re: Question about glue
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10/09/08 10:48 PM
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It has EVERYthing to do with the wheel since SUPER glue was used to lock the crews into place in the wheel, not SURGICAL glue. They have completely different main active ingredients...one is safe for surgical use and one is not.
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