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Re: Breeding Quads- What should I expect??? [Re: Guerita135] #791664
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I'm sorry it didn't work out. I was always to nervous to try a breeding quad. I'll be thinking of your moms and IP joeys. hug2


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Re: Breeding Quads- What should I expect??? [Re: tbull] #791672
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I'm sorry it didn't work Nicole. They were getting along so well too.

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Re: Breeding Quads- What should I expect??? [Re: Lindsay] #791673
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Re: Breeding Quads- What should I expect??? [Re: vagraphix] #791692
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I'm so sorry, Nicole. At least they started bickering and were separated before joeys came OOP. Good for your hubby for alerting you too! Again, I'm so sorry that it didn't work out, but I do thank you for posting this so that everyone has the opportunity to learn from it.


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Re: Breeding Quads- What should I expect??? [Re: StitchsMom] #791726
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Okay...update:

I went back into the glider room to check on everyone after the separation and, lo and behold, I find Troy running around the glider room! :\

He had to have gotten out when I was getting the food ready or something because when I checked the doors they were completely closed and there's nowhere else he could have gotten out.

Soooo....I'm thinking that perhaps he had something to do with the girls fighting. Perhaps they were trying to attack him and ended up attacking each other instead and that led to them both being mad at each other.

I'm not sure, but it just seemed to coincidental that Troy got out AND the 2 girls that have always been best buds suddenly start duking it out. :\

So, I ended up putting them back together and keeping a close eye on them. So far so good, but they did sleep in 2 separate groups(Gil/Rosa and Violet/Delia) so I'm guessing they're still mad about the tiff, but I had them all together handing out mealies and they didn't seem mad at each other.

I really hope it was because of Troy stirring them up, but I'm going to be watching them like a HAWK and probably waking up during the night to check on them just to make sure everything is fine.

What do you guys think? Do you think that Troy might have been the cause of the tension? Or should I just side with caution and keep them separate? I think it's going to be extremely stressful on them all to have to separate them, so I'd like to avoid that if possible, especially since all the girls have joeys IP and Delia and Violet would be stuck raising them with no man to help if I had to separate them. frown

This is the part of breeding that is NOT fun. *sigh*


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Re: Breeding Quads- What should I expect??? [Re: Guerita135] #791727
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I'm hoping things work out for you.

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Re: Breeding Quads- What should I expect??? [Re: Guerita135] #791732
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Unforunately, this is a tough choice that only you can really make. hug2 Breeding trios and quads are notorious for having issues arise as you know. I'm not sure if Troy had something to do with it or not, but with as far along as the girls are, I would be very cautious about keeping them all together after a fight like that.


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Re: Breeding Quads- What should I expect??? [Re: StitchsMom] #791740
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I have a breeding quad and have had no problems what so ever from them. They too came to me as one .They are excellent parents .They are three sisters and they care for each others babies .Good luck Nicole it may have just been that they were indeed trying to get him.


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Re: Breeding Quads- What should I expect??? [Re: tammyangel] #791844
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Holy cow, Nicole! I hope that all this was is a big upset by the loose glider. Keep a close eye on them. I know everything has been going so smoothly to this point. We still have no idea how our trio will get along once they start mating. I would really hate to have to pull one of our girls out & find her another mate or rehome her. So far I love having them all together.

Keep us posted.

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Re: Breeding Quads- What should I expect??? [Re: IowaMisty] #791854
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I do not have any breeding Quads but I do have two cages with Quints and they get along fine. Once in awhile I hear bickering and check and it has always been due to the fact one of the gliders got up and wanted underneath the other ones and they got mad and yelled at him/her

Re: Breeding Quads- What should I expect??? [Re: ] #791859
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Well, this wasn't just bickering. It was all-out going-for-the-kill attacking. :\

However, Rosa and Delia have never even so much as bickered! The worst "fights" they ever have is when I don't give them both mealies fast enough and one will grab the mealie from the other and they get fussy, but that's it. I really think that what happened was that they were trying to attack Troy and ended up attacking each other and in the heat of the moment they confused each other as the "enemy".

When I saw Troy he was on Milky Way and Leda's cage, but he was shivering and shaking, so I'm guessing it's because of the girls trying to beat him up because Milky Way and Leda were in their pouch and no where near Troy.

I thought that if the girls were going to start fighting for territorial rights then it's be something that kinda slowly builds up. Know what I mean? Not just an all out war all of the sudden.

So far so good, but once they get up tonight I'm going to take them out and keep a VERY close eye on them. If I see so much as a dirty look between the 2 then I'm going to side with caution and break them into 2 groups.

Hopefully it was just Troy though...

I've never lost a glider or a joey and don't want to start now. frown


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Re: Breeding Quads- What should I expect??? [Re: Guerita135] #791877
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Good luck!

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Re: Breeding Quads- What should I expect??? [Re: IowaMisty] #791881
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Good Luck, Nicole. Let us know how it all goes.

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Re: Breeding Quads- What should I expect??? [Re: Lindsay] #791884
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Well I hope that they end up being ok. Hopefully it was Troy. It would be so awesome if they all stayed together and raised the babies. Good Luck!!!!

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sounds like you had some night! hug2 It might have been Troy that caused the fight. Keeping my fingers crossed that all goes well!

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Well, I definitely saw Delia chasing Rosa and then the 2 of them wrestling, but it just seems too coincidental and like I said, they've never so much as tsk-ed at each other. So I want to try and give them another chance before doing something as drastic as splitting up gliders while the girls have joeys IP. frown

I was hoping to finally have a normal sleep schedule tonight, but I doubt that's going to happen since I'll probably wake up every 5 minutes, lol.


~Nicole~

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Re: Breeding Quads- What should I expect??? [Re: Guerita135] #792082
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Originally Posted By: Guerita135
Well, this wasn't just bickering. It was all-out going-for-the-kill attacking.


With that being said, and the girls with joeys IP, I would be extremely cautious. If it were me, I would separate them to be on the safe side. Once the joeys are away from the moms, then try to introduce them again. I'm not sure what to say, it's obviously your decision. Keep a close eye on them, and do what your heart tells you to do.

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Re: Breeding Quads- What should I expect??? [Re: GliderNursery] #792134
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Well, I woke up at 3am and went to check on the girls. They were all fine, so I went ahead and handed out mealies to all the gliders and while doing that they suddenly balled up again. frown

So, now they're separated off into pairs. *sniffles*

I will continue to keep you all posted.

Please keep all my beautiful girls and their IP joeys in your thoughts and prayers. frown

QUESTION: would it be safe to try and intro a neutered male in with Delia and Violet? I have 2 boys: Troy(6 months old, never bred) and Carmine(3 1/2 years old, never bred...well, tried to twice, but with no success, lol). I'm wondering if it'd be good for them to have a "man" to help babysit the joeys or if it's better to just leave them as-is and they'll just take turns babysitting?


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Re: Breeding Quads- What should I expect??? [Re: Guerita135] #792171
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At this point this stress of fighting with the bonded cage mates and then the separation is already going to be stressful for the mommies. I think introducing a male would probably just create more of it. And even neutered he might not react well to the joeys. Just my opinion, could be wrong though.

Sorry it did not work out well for you. I'm also having problems with my (non breeding) colony of 5. Everyone is getting along well one sec and the next Lena turns into a beast and chases everyone around making her little rawr noise.

Either way, good luck with all your mommies hope the joeys all come out healthy smile

Re: Breeding Quads- What should I expect??? [Re: ] #792191
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I had a quad that had been together from 8 weeks OOP. Sara got preggers with one joey but the other two girls didn't get preggers. All was fine until Lady Jaclyn came OOP. I heard a different sound in their cube and it wasn't a good sound. I ran to check and Sara was hanging from the inside top of the cube, Lady Jaclyn hanging onto mom, the other two girls eyeballing them, and daddy Jasper just laid back, watching. My gut told me to remove the two non-mommies, so I did. I am positive, had I not done so, they would have killed Lady Jaclyn. It broke my heart to have to break up a quad that had been together since weaned joeys, but I saw no other safe choice.

I am praying for all your IP babies and their mamas. I think as long as they have one cage mate, even with joeys IP, they will be fine. I think if you intro'd a new male, even neutered, he would kill the joeys because he will know they aren't his.


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Re: Breeding Quads- What should I expect??? [Re: suggiemom1980] #792337
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Nicole......NOOOOOOOOO......I was so rooting for your quad to work out. *sad*

Well at least no one has been harmed up to this point, other than probably a little stress.

Misty

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Originally Posted By: BettyJo26
At this point this stress of fighting with the bonded cage mates and then the separation is already going to be stressful for the mommies. I think introducing a male would probably just create more of it. And even neutered he might not react well to the joeys. Just my opinion, could be wrong though.


That's what I figured, but I knew it didn't hurt to ask, lol.

I guess I'll be on babysitting duty in a few weeks. Man, and I JUST got out of my bad habit of being nocturnal. Well, I've got a few more weeks to enjoy it, then back to being nocturnal AGAIN, haha! roflmao

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I think as long as they have one cage mate, even with joeys IP, they will be fine.


That's one reason I'm EXTREMELY grateful that I had a quad instead of a trio. At least they can now still be in pairs.

Thank you all for your help and support. I will keep everyone posted on the girls and their little ones.


~Nicole~

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Re: Breeding Quads- What should I expect??? [Re: Guerita135] #795640
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UPDATE: all the mommies and IP joeys are doing great! grin No signs of stress and no losses! dance

Rosa and Delia are now 6 weeks along and Violet is 4 weeks along. heart


~Nicole~

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Re: Breeding Quads- What should I expect??? [Re: Guerita135] #796699
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That's great, Nicole!

It really stinks that you had to separate them. At least you caught what was going on before someone got hurt.

Misty

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UPDATE: all is well on the mommy and baby front! grin

Also, look who are about to make their entrance into the world!



(his tail is hidden in the pic, but it's all white)



They're Rosa's boys and they're due OOP tomorrow, but I think they've still got an extra day or 2 of cooking to go because they're still pretty naked, lol.

Aren't they beautiful?! I think I'll name then Simon and Garfunkel, lol.


~Nicole~

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Nicole, that's awesome! Thanks for sharing the photos. Our Rikku never lets her joeys just hang out like that until they just couldn't possibly fit any more. She keeps 'em cookin' forevery.

In our trio, Taji has what looks like one baby bump. I can't wait to see what she's having and how the trio will do. I keep checking her belly every day to make sure that bump is still there...lol.

I'm glad your babies are doing well.

Misty

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Well, this is Rosa's first pair of joeys and she's a pretty petite glider, so I've been seeing parts for over a week and the other day the joeys were hanging out as well, but I only got 1 pic before she shoved them back in, lol. They're due out tomorrow, but I think they might have another day or 2 extra to go.

When is your Taji due?


~Nicole~

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I have no idea...lol. We never seem to catch when our gliders are mating. I really don't know how you always know when they're due OOP. We just guess by how big they're getting. Rikku (from our duo) has 2 IP right now & we're starting to see body parts. It's so fun! Taji (from our trio) just has a small bump on one side. It's definitely growing though. The first time I noticed, I could just barely tell she was looking a little bit asymmetrical. Now it's pretty obvious, but I think she has quite a while left to go.

Yeah your little joeys look like they have a little more cookin' to do before they're ready to come out. How exciting!

Misty

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