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Co-Dominate Mosaic Gene? What about the Super Form
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07/03/09 01:14 AM
07/03/09 01:14 AM
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Marrferr
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Im new to gliders but i breed bearded dragons also. What Im trying to get at is that in my experience when 2 animals of the same Co-Dominate gene are breed together they create what is called the "Super Form" of that gene which is basically the Dominate form of the Co-Dominate Gene (Hope I havent lost you yet lol) So Ive have been try to find out what the dominate or "Super Form" of a Mosaic Sugar glider looks like or if its even been done yet?
Not to mention that if a Super Mosaic was indeed created then if a normal glider was breed to it then it would produce all Co-Dominate Mosaic offspring each and every single time guaranteed.
Im hoping to eventually test this theory myself but maybe someone out there can give me some insight on why it hasnt been done yet, or if it has what happened?
Also if two different Mosaics were breed together and there is no noticeable result then it could mean a few things: 1. There is more than one kind or line of Mosaic gene 2. There is a recessive form of the Mosaic gene
These things arent uncommon. For instance in bearded dragons there are two forms of the leather back gene, a recessive and a co-dominate, the only difference between the two is that one can produce a super form and the other can produce an invisible HET. But both give the same appearance of reduced scales. Also this shows in the axanthic form of ball pythons which have different lines of axanthism from different companies that wont work or produce any results if intermixed.
Anyone has info to help me in my dilemma?
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Re: Co-Dominate Mosaic Gene? What about the Super Form
[Re: TheGliderPlayroom]
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07/03/09 02:10 AM
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I couldnt Find any pictures of super white faces, what there difference from regular white faces? Does A super Mosaic look like something that could be part of the future sugar glider breeding. And even if 2 mosaics were successfully breed together the odds of getting a super will still be: % of time.. 25 normal 50 Mosaic 25 Super mosaic at least thats whats shown when its done with a punnet square.
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Re: Co-Dominate Mosaic Gene? What about the Super Form
[Re: konotashi]
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07/03/09 08:15 AM
07/03/09 08:15 AM
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anjill_tree
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IF I understand correctly all the colored gliders are recessive genes, If you go to petsugargliders.com , It explains very well.
Cathy Hart Support Aspergers and Autism Research, help put the pieces together. www.hartlandsugargliders.comcathyhart2texas@yahoo.com 469-964-4152
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Re: Co-Dominate Mosaic Gene? What about the Super Form
[Re: petsugargliders]
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07/03/09 01:51 PM
07/03/09 01:51 PM
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I think we maybe be reaching a time where once the fertile mosaic lines are far enough apart we then consider attempting breeding 2 of the same gene together and see what may result even if its just super mosaic that has no visible difference but produces all mosaic offspring like the White face gene.
Even a small difference is stil a difference.
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Re: Co-Dominate Mosaic Gene? What about the Super Form
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07/03/09 08:16 PM
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hey Jennifer I'm glad you set me straight. I have been trying to learn the genes. And as you see, I do better with human anatomy/biology. But, I will get it some day.
Cathy Hart Support Aspergers and Autism Research, help put the pieces together. www.hartlandsugargliders.comcathyhart2texas@yahoo.com 469-964-4152
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Re: Co-Dominate Mosaic Gene? What about the Super Form
[Re: anjill_tree]
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07/03/09 10:25 PM
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GliderNursery
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You can go Here to see a picture of Sir Lance. He is a super white. There is no noticable differnce in his coloration than another WF.
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Re: Co-Dominate Mosaic Gene? What about the Super Form
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07/06/09 09:50 PM
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In horses, we call this homozygous, versus heterzygous. I'm sure my spelling may be off, however, you Must cross two Paints/Appaloosas to get a homozygous color horse. Like Gliders, when an animal exibits the color, but is from a colored x non colored parent, they only have a 50% chance of throwing the color to their foals. To get a homozygous animal, you must cross two horses that exibit the color, and hope! Like wise, it would bear to reason that by crossing two Mosaics, you may get a glider that is homozygous for the color, and would therefore only throw Moasics. All of which is almost futile though, as gliders form tight bonds to their partners, and at least in my experience, can not be studded out as simply as a horse or dog would be. What I am waiting for is genetic testing to know exactly who are gliders parents are, and color tracing!
Mom to (heaven help me!) Three pairs of wonderful Glider kids- Nero Cupid a & Ceres +1 boy oop Warbuck & Lysia & Clarissa with Twins oop each! http://palmbeachgliders.webs.com/
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Re: Co-Dominate Mosaic Gene? What about the Super Form
[Re: SugaWhit]
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07/06/09 09:55 PM
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SugaWhit
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Whoops that could be confusing- In horses the two color genes that I was speaking of were in Paints (large spots of color) and in Appaloosas, (think dalmation little spots) They are seperate colors completly, (though some have crossed them) and are only crossed with in to get a horse that is either homozygous for either the paint color, or for the Appaloosa color.
Mom to (heaven help me!) Three pairs of wonderful Glider kids- Nero Cupid a & Ceres +1 boy oop Warbuck & Lysia & Clarissa with Twins oop each! http://palmbeachgliders.webs.com/
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Re: Co-Dominate Mosaic Gene? What about the Super Form
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07/08/09 12:31 PM
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It's my best guess that the Mosaic would be similar to the WF in that visually you would not be able to determine super or not super.
The Punnet Square would look like this for a Mo to Mo pairing:
| |M |m | |M|MM|Mm| |m|Mm|mm|
Sorry for the ugly square...it gets the point across at least.
MM = super mosaic (occurs 25% of the time) Mm = mosaic (occurs 50% of the time) mm = normal color (occurs 25% of the time)
Mosaic can already appear in so many different forms, my best guess is there would be no visual indicator as to whether the glider was a super mosaic or not. But you could sell the babies as possible super mosaic. With both mosaics & WF, I believe either you have the gene or you don't. Regardless of what generation the glider is, it's only going to throw a Mo or a WF 50% of the time if it's paired with a normal glider (unless it's a super Mo or super WF). Statistically this is just how it works. It's like flipping a coin. Let's say you're pairing a super to a normal. That just means that the coin has heads on both sides. If you're pairing a WF or a mo to a normal, the coin is a regular coin. You're going to get heads 50% of the time. If you flip heads more often, you just got lucky. At best, with the higher generations, you see some color differences in the babies - for example, high gen WF tend to be lighter in color than low-gen WF.
Misty
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