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Number of glider PPP Sells
#806982
07/14/09 01:52 PM
07/14/09 01:52 PM
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Joined: Jan 2001
Posts: 1,640 Mims, Florida, USA
hushpuppy
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Thanks KarenE for kindly allowing me to post this. A few weeks ago, I requested some information on Perfect Pocket Pets under the Freedom of Information Act. Here is a a breakdown of the last three years. Now remember this only deals with the sales of animals and doesn't include the money made from cages, food, wheels and toys. All of us need to be asking the mill breeder Project what we can do to help. Also, there are more reports on other dealers/brokers being requested. Some of them I'm sure are probably peeing in thier pants right now. hehe For 2006 Fee paid was $100. This one shows Kathy as President and Virgil as VP. The box that says “All business names, locations and all sites housing animals” just has the address in Cape Coral. No other locations are listed. They checked the box indicating they are brokers. They show zero animal sold and there is a hand written note that says “have not started doing business yet” For 2007 Fee paid was $710. This one only has Virgil’s name on it Still only lists Cape Coral as housing animals. This form is a little different and they selected the box that indicates they are class B dealers. Line 8: a. Total number of animals purchased in the last business year: 2784 b. Total number of animals sold in the last business year: 2784 c. Total gross dollars derived from regulated activities (sales, booking fees, commissions, etc): $556,800. d. Dollar amount on which fee is based: $375,810. Line d = line c less amount paid for the animals. For 2008 Fee paid was $760. This one only has Kathy as Pres/Treas and Virgil as Exec Director Still only lists Cape Coral as housing animals. This form is a the same as 06 indicates they are brokers. Line 8: a. Total number of animals purchased in the last business year: 5729 b. Total number of animals sold in the last business year: 5729 c. Total gross dollars derived from regulated activities (sales, booking fees, commissions, etc): $1,145,800. d. Dollar amount on which fee is based: $716,125. Line d = line c less amount paid for the animals
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Re: Number of glider PPP Sells
[Re: anjill_tree]
#806993
07/14/09 02:08 PM
07/14/09 02:08 PM
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Joined: Apr 2009
Posts: 712 Red Oak Texas
anjill_tree
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Glider Guardian
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I have asked for help finding someone to help us ( government ) and possibly someone who has the funds to help stop this craziness. I can't say who yet. But, if it works out , believe me, I'll be telling it.
Cathy Hart Support Aspergers and Autism Research, help put the pieces together. www.hartlandsugargliders.comcathyhart2texas@yahoo.com 469-964-4152
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Re: Number of glider PPP Sells
[Re: hushpuppy]
#807141
07/14/09 06:59 PM
07/14/09 06:59 PM
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Joined: Jun 2009
Posts: 734 Jupiter, Florida
SugaWhit
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c. Total gross dollars derived from regulated activities (sales, booking fees, commissions, etc): $1,145,800. d. Dollar amount on which fee is based: $716,125.
Line d = line c less amount paid for the animals
^^^^^^ Holy baby jesus in the manger.
Mom to (heaven help me!) Three pairs of wonderful Glider kids- Nero Cupid a & Ceres +1 boy oop Warbuck & Lysia & Clarissa with Twins oop each! http://palmbeachgliders.webs.com/
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Re: Number of glider PPP Sells
[Re: cyndiekb]
#807170
07/14/09 07:39 PM
07/14/09 07:39 PM
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Posts: 3,753 Florida
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Julie Hubby: George Kids: Ayla & Michael Grandsons: Trysten, Dayton, KJ & Nathyn The Zoo: Midnight, Severe & Nala - Claude, Pixie, Tippy & Chili - Scout & Soluna, Theo & Deegie http://hammockhavenpetsplus.com
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Re: Number of glider PPP Sells
[Re: Lynsie]
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07/15/09 04:27 AM
07/15/09 04:27 AM
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Joined: Nov 2008
Posts: 1,414 Minneapolis, MN
wildlifeangel
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Makes me want to puke... and how many of these animals were sold to people who did not know anything about the animals... and how many were sold as " breeders". AND where the holy [censored] did they get that many animals if they are "not breeding?" GRR
Nadine Adam-Eve Starsky-Bianca Gabriel-Charity Barrington-Bailey Travis-Rose-Ruby Justice-Mercy Natalia-Carmella-Cayden Minka-Marco Reagan-Jocelynn Donnovin-Selina Kaluah-Keeko-Emily-Monty-Lexy-Kevin-Raven-Skeeter www.tspsugar.com
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Re: Number of glider PPP Sells
[Re: wildlifeangel]
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07/15/09 04:54 AM
07/15/09 04:54 AM
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Joined: Aug 2008
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DeeDancer
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AND where the holy [censored] did they get that many animals if they are "not breeding?" GRR A breeder is selling to them. Thank you for posting this information. When the information for Suncoast and the others that were requested comes in, will it be posted, too?
~Deanna~ Chinchillas: Luke, Yoda, and Pronk Gliders: Nika, Ranger, and DeeGee (702)250-5236
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Re: Number of glider PPP Sells
[Re: hushpuppy]
#807439
07/15/09 07:32 AM
07/15/09 07:32 AM
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Joined: Nov 2008
Posts: 1,414 Minneapolis, MN
wildlifeangel
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Glider Slave
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Do we have any idea what breeders are selling to them? Would it be anyone that the community is aware of?
Nadine Adam-Eve Starsky-Bianca Gabriel-Charity Barrington-Bailey Travis-Rose-Ruby Justice-Mercy Natalia-Carmella-Cayden Minka-Marco Reagan-Jocelynn Donnovin-Selina Kaluah-Keeko-Emily-Monty-Lexy-Kevin-Raven-Skeeter www.tspsugar.com
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Re: Number of glider PPP Sells
[Re: wildlifeangel]
#807451
07/15/09 08:29 AM
07/15/09 08:29 AM
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Joined: Jan 2001
Posts: 1,640 Mims, Florida, USA
hushpuppy
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We do not know which breeders are selling to them. There are a few breeders online that advertise they will sell wholesale but we don't know if they are the ones. As far as I know there are only two ways to find out that information and both are extreme. One would be to infiltrate their business. The other would be to slander them bad enough to have them file a lawsuit against you. They would have to open their records to prove that what you said was slander. As far as documentation that could be requested under the FOIA, that might provide a source of animals,I don't know of any. Some of you have a lot more experience with USDA/APHIS than I do so, if you know of documents that can be requested, please request them or let me know and I will request them.
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Re: Number of glider PPP Sells
[Re: hushpuppy]
#807454
07/15/09 08:39 AM
07/15/09 08:39 AM
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BabyLoveGliders
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BabyLoveGliders
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Well, we already know (PPP) Perfect Pocket Pets is contracted with CCW for their cages.. are they still not breeding as well?
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Re: Number of glider PPP Sells
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#807459
07/15/09 08:49 AM
07/15/09 08:49 AM
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SugMom2B
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SugMom2B
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I just came off CL and of course there are listings there for suggies, and in the descriptions they list (PPP) Perfect Pocket Pets!! It's just ridiculous! Why have they not been stopped yet?!
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Re: Number of glider PPP Sells
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#807463
07/15/09 08:58 AM
07/15/09 08:58 AM
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Joined: Apr 2009
Posts: 712 Red Oak Texas
anjill_tree
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I think CCW does breed some. I called in past to see if he had different colors, not, expecting a yes. And ,sure enough, he did. After that . he called me numerous times to try and get me to buy one. NOT. And, Sandman, had white faces, so, where are they getting them?
Cathy Hart Support Aspergers and Autism Research, help put the pieces together. www.hartlandsugargliders.comcathyhart2texas@yahoo.com 469-964-4152
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Re: Number of glider PPP Sells
[Re: anjill_tree]
#807543
07/15/09 12:15 PM
07/15/09 12:15 PM
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Joined: Oct 2003
Posts: 5,916 Cornersville TN I'M HOME :)
cyndiekb
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Sandman (as I understand it) had one of the first WF so he had them a long time. People this info is out there all you have to do is follow the link Anita gave in one of her other posts. Pick a mill/ breeder/pet store and ask for the info. When they see enough of us are looking they may get off their duff and change some things. Our concern for the animals should say something. We could do more but we can't even agree within our little group about a minimum standard. As you can tell I am not the English teacher legal brain to get this rolling. (just look at the way I type lol) I am however trying to do my part. I will post the info when I get it. I would advise helping Linda with the mill breeder project. (something I plan to do when I get back home (to hard while brain is on summer break)
cyndiekb I & miss you HALEY My runaways 4/04 Lilo, 5/04 Dash & Angel Sprite Says GO STEALTH!! at AtticWorx
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Re: Number of glider PPP Sells
[Re: anjill_tree]
#807720
07/15/09 06:25 PM
07/15/09 06:25 PM
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DewDropPony
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DewDropPony
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Sad, just flippin' sad!!
I would never have guessed they were making that much off exploiting suggies. I can't imagine the sheer volume of animals it took to generate that much money.
Not surprising why there are so many rescued/re-homed gliders out there. The public just doesn't know about them, or gliders in general, and they fall in love with them only to find out later what a commitment they are.
Last edited by LSardou; 07/15/09 06:28 PM. Reason: edited
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Re: Number of glider PPP Sells
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#808052
07/16/09 12:42 PM
07/16/09 12:42 PM
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Joined: Jun 2008
Posts: 2,827 Southern Virginia
rdobbie23
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Glider Addict
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Posts: 2,827
Southern Virginia
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I am absolutly floored! These people can rot! All those poor poor suggies!
*Megan* Owned by: 4 suggies Sucre & Bijou Bubbles & Baby Girl Valley bulldog: Chassis American Bully: Dink Doberman: Sheba American Bully: Grady
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Re: Number of glider PPP Sells
[Re: rdobbie23]
#808078
07/16/09 01:22 PM
07/16/09 01:22 PM
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boo_and_boyz
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boo_and_boyz
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The way they treat their animals makes me sick....they dont care what happens as long as they are making money!! This is the same with some of the rescues I have ran across. Some people put on a good front but all they care about is the money...they are sick sick people!!!!
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