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Re: Metacam - Does it cause Liver or Kidney damage? [Re: Gizmogirl] #843714
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Originally Posted By: Gizmogirl
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can both be taken at the same time?
for the pouch infection and swelling he prescribed metacam and some antibiotic trim sulfrate(not sure how to spell it)...so is baytril a similar, if not, same function as the trim sulfa?


It would be best to clear this with your vet.


That's what he prescribed to her.

What about Metacam and Baytril?
What's another med that is safe for gliders with similar functions as Metacam? So that I may ask the vet about maybe switching to that.

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I"m not sure what med is similar to metacam that is used on gliders. Metacam's main benefit is the anti inflamitory properties.

Torb is a pain reliever that is used on gliders but it works differently than the metacam. Torb does not help with inflamation.

Metacam and Baytril are safe to give together too.


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Re: Metacam - Does it cause Liver or Kidney damage? [Re: Dancing] #844178
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thank you! =)

now I heard that we should not give Metacam over 3 days, some say 5 days....but how long should one wait to try offering it after the 1st period of medication? also, what if the inflammation (or whatever its supposed to be treating) has not gone down or worse?

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I'm not really sure what you mean about waiting to try offering it after the 1st period of medication? If the inflammation gets worse or doesn't go down, that's normally a sign of worsening infection and the antibiotic isn't working. After reading this thread earlier, I actually emailed my vet about the Metacam since they've prescribed it for us before. Am I allowed to post her response here?


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Re: Metacam - Does it cause Liver or Kidney damage? [Re: kyro298] #844446
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I believe metacam is given once per 24 hours. What did your vet instruct?


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Re: Metacam - Does it cause Liver or Kidney damage? [Re: suggiemom1980] #844518
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I am not sure if you have measurements or dosages in your vet's reply. A moderator will be able to tell you if you can post this if this is the case. But in the mean time, please PM me the vet's reply.


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Re: Metacam - Does it cause Liver or Kidney damage? [Re: Bozeman] #844578
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Yes, there are some dosages listed. That's why I thought I'd better ask... PM sent!


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Re: Metacam - Does it cause Liver or Kidney damage? [Re: kyro298] #844596
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My vet told me to give my lil girl metacam for 7 days? Do I dare do it? I dont want her suffering anymore or getting sicker.


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Re: Metacam - Does it cause Liver or Kidney damage? [Re: ashley21] #844606
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I would do as your vet indicates. What my vet stated in a nutshell is that they have prescribed Metacam for longer periods for healthy gliders. If liver or kidney issues were suspect, they prescribe something else.


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Re: Metacam - Does it cause Liver or Kidney damage? [Re: kyro298] #844627
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Originally Posted By: kyro298
After reading this thread earlier, I actually emailed my vet about the Metacam since they've prescribed it for us before. Am I allowed to post her response here?

If you have your vet's permission to post her response here, you may do so. You must remove any dosages/dilution rates before posting. thumb

I would like to remind everyone that we ARE NOT vets. If you have a question/concern regarding dosages/strengths prescribed please discuss them with you vet. Veterinarians have access to the VIN (Veterinary Information Network) where they can double check these kinds of things if they have questions. You can also give them consultation #'s for glider knowledgeable vets, if you are concerned.


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Re: Metacam - Does it cause Liver or Kidney damage? [Re: sugarlope] #844631
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[color:#6600CC]Here is a link to where you will find a list of vets who are willing to do Phone Consultations.
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Re: Metacam - Does it cause Liver or Kidney damage? [Re: LSardou] #844685
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Here is her response. I've emailed her and talked to her about other things before too. I told her the reason I was asking was to relay information but that I will absolutely stress that people need to follow their own vet's orders. I'm removing the dosage info.

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Hi Kylah!

Happy to clear this up for you. Metacam is perfectly safe to use in healthy sugar gliders. At this dose metacam has been used by many (including myself) for months without adverse effects. The goal with any NSAID is to use it for the shortest duration for the given situation. A typical neuter (we think) three days of pain management covers them well, with a spay which is more invasive a five day course is common. This is true for most animals. You also have to look at "risk vs benefit" of each drug. Gliders can be a nightmare post-op with self mutilation if they are painful so I prefer the "risk" of metacam (and other pain meds) vs the benefit of no mutilation to be a no brainer. Another example is a glider I was treating for an abdominal mass that the owners were not prepared to take to surgery. We decided the "risk" of metacam was better than the animal suffering from chronic pain. That glider was on metacam for months and continued to eat and have a good quality of life.

In a perfect world we would run NSAID panels (which monitor kidney and liver parameters) in these guys if they are on it long term. We would also run pre-op panels to make sure they are healthy prior to anesthesia. We would also measure blood pressure routinely during surgery (NSAIDS should only be given during surgery with good pressures). The reality is that anesthesia is generally needed to collect a decent blood sample and it is stressful for the glider, their human, and the vet :-)

I think the key to this debate is open communication between the vet and the client. If you have a sick glider then you have an increased risk for using metacam. BUT if the glider is painful... it still may be worth the risk... nobody wants them to die suffering. If kidney/liver disease is a suspect cause of illness then I would use something different for pain management like torb/buprinorphine. In summary: look at the risk vs benefit and reduce the course of treatment to shortest time to manage the given painful situation.

Hope this helps!


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Re: Metacam - Does it cause Liver or Kidney damage? [Re: ashley21] #844712
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Originally Posted By: ashley21
My vet told me to give my lil girl metacam for 7 days? Do I dare do it? I dont want her suffering anymore or getting sicker.


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I would like to remind everyone that we ARE NOT vets. If you have a question/concern regarding dosages/strengths prescribed please discuss them with you vet. Veterinarians have access to the VIN (Veterinary Information Network) where they can double check these kinds of things if they have questions. You can also give them consultation #'s for glider knowledgeable vets, if you are concerned.

Re: Metacam - Does it cause Liver or Kidney damage? [Re: kyro298] #845229
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Originally Posted By: ashley21
My vet told me to give my lil girl metacam for 7 days? Do I dare do it? I dont want her suffering anymore or getting sicker.


My vet told me the same thing on saturday. once every 24 hrs for 5-7 days....but he said 7 days at the end. i will see as gabbana finger swelling goes completly down, b/c its been going down and then swell up again, maybe as she grooms it, but i have yet to see any redness.


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Re: Metacam - Does it cause Liver or Kidney damage? [Re: kyro298] #845236
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Originally Posted By: kyro298
I'm not really sure what you mean about waiting to try offering it after the 1st period of medication? If the inflammation gets worse or doesn't go down, that's normally a sign of worsening infection and the antibiotic isn't working. After reading this thread earlier, I actually emailed my vet about the Metacam since they've prescribed it for us before. Am I allowed to post her response here?


What i meant was...many ppl say that Metacam should not be taken longer than 3 days (the most 5 days, as some mentioned) what is the time frame one should wait to offer metacam after the 3 or 5 days are up?

b/c, like humans, gliders may be different and may respond to the medication quicker or slower...that being said, they may have to contniue taking the medication a bit longer until it has taken effect. now i know a glider shoudl not be on medication too long, but what if the problem continues? what is the altimatum if the meds don't work?

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Re: Metacam - Does it cause Liver or Kidney damage? [Re: ] #845500
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I honestly don't know frown Have you asked your vet about it?


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Re: Metacam - Does it cause Liver or Kidney damage? [Re: kyro298] #845530
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I agree, I would ask your vet, they have a wider knowledge base regarding these medications.


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