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Re: Periodontal Problems in Gliders
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01/24/07 12:06 PM
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Lumpy jaw is a condition that occurs in animals with gums that retract and extend over the teeth, trapping food below the gum line that can then decay and cause an abscess. Suggies do not have this type of retracting/extending gum. I am more and more seeing the term 'lumpy jaw' used to describe most any abscess on the suggies face. I find it confusing to use the same term for two such diverse conditions.
This is one of my bug bears - suggies DON'T get lumpy jaw which is why I used the ' ', but I did a huge post complaining about how inaccurate the term was and basically was told to stop moaning, it's used because it's easier to type lumpy jaw than periodontal issues so ... yadda yadda yadda! I think the point about neutering would be a very interesting topic, everyone seems too quick to just blame hard food (which lets be honest does get most of the blame.) Neutering hasn't been going on long enough to know the long term effects, it would be interesting to know sexes of the animals that are afflicted and whether neutered or un neutered, the diet they are fed, any history in the lineage. I'm not saying it's not genetic, but I think we're wrong to just say it is without any real proof, I still think the sugary diets play a big part. I mean take for example my family (yes I know I'm human!) my dad is over 60, he's got absolutely perfect straight teeth and he's never had any dental work done at all, my sister and I however both have fillings and they're not perfectly straight! My dad's parents both had a complete set of false teeth ... so genetic?
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Re: Periodontal Problems in Gliders
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01/24/07 12:27 PM
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I disagree with the neutering issue, as it's not like menopause in men--so to speak. Sperm production in men continues, as it's been proven that men retain their fertility well into old age. Yet, these men can still have peridontal problems. I know I'm talking humans, but I'm thinking we can cross the species lines a bit in making these types of assumptions. Also, people get their dogs or cats neutered, and this has been done for quite some time--much MUCH longer than gliders, at least. Is there any indication of increased peridontal problems in them? There is indication, at least in humans, that calcium absorption DOES decrease with age, and they also exhibit increased peridontal problems in them... With captive gliders living much longer than their wild counterparts, who is to say it's not just something that happens with age? Even so, there are owners who've had gliders well into their teens with no indication of tooth problems... I know wild animals begin losing their teeth when they are older, as well as older domesticated pets like dogs. I'm still not totally discounting diet, and even though I feed a primarily soft diet, they do have the additions of bugs and branches or chew sticks (I have eucalyptus chew sticks, not the colored ones for rodents at the pet store..) I'm also not discounting genetic reasons, or any of the other reasons given for this...
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Re: Periodontal Problems in Gliders
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01/24/07 09:21 PM
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This is a very good post. I am going through this right now with Boo. Did any of your gliders that had teeth problems have really bad breath? Boo's breath is so gross smelling. I am just hoping that the antibiotics and the rinse will make it go away soon. I haven't been using it long. She also drools a lot in her sleep. Has anyone noticed drooling in their gliders when they have periodontal issues? The vet told me that the drooling is a sign that something is wrong with their mouth.
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Re: Periodontal Problems in Gliders
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01/24/07 10:31 PM
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I didn't notice that their breath smelled (tho I don't know that I ever really smelled it), tho I do agree that this is a great indicator. My cat had nasty smelling breath when she needed to have a few teeth removed. I also never noticed mine drooling. The first indication I really had was the constant sneezing.
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Re: Periodontal Problems in Gliders
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01/25/07 12:44 AM
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It is not true that sugs in the wild do not live as long as those in captivity. It depends upon their protection from predation and in some isolated areas, gliders live long lives in the wild. Also rehabbers and certain other facilities keep sugar glider colonies in huge more natural environments and, without predation and w/good diets, these animals live as long as those kept as pets - up to 15 or so years. Teeth begin forming prenatally so nutrition before breeding and prenatal nutrition w/adequate protein, Ca, and vitamin D are critical. I haven't been able to wrap my brain around high simple sugar content of diets and strong teeth but people have old gliders that have eaten a high sugar diet for years. I also question the use of one of the least absorbable form of calcium as opposed to using more absorbable forms of this mineral. Maybe less of a more absorbable form would be better than more calcium carbonate.
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