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Re: Reinventing the Wheel [Re: anjill_tree] #869059
11/19/09 07:30 AM
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On my websites link page I have a link to GC. I work hard on my site but I know there is no way to gather the wealth of great information that is here on GC. So I included a link to that information.

Originally Posted By: anjill_tree
THats where the DOMAIN PROJECT can help too.
Bourbon has a dream, and some others and I have put up some money to purchase Websites. These websites will link to each other. WE ALL AT SOME POINT LINK TOGETHER


Contact me when you're ready. I'd love to be in on this linking.

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Re: Reinventing the Wheel [Re: hpyhwn2003] #869065
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We (Paula and I) include links to the GC site on our sites, too- on the S.P.I.N. site as well as our personal sites.

We (Paula and I) also both belong to 3 different boards- and how we do what we do on each one is determined by which board it is...

Personally, I come to GC to visit "old friends" who only post here... to be a part of helping & welcoming new comers to the gldier community... to share news with the community, and to learn more myself. One of the other boards I belong to is my more "personal" outlet- a place where I can still learn and educate, but is mostly about commraderie and fellowship because the rules there are less restrictive than on GC and let's face it- I am rather outspoken and do tend to have a bit of an abrasive personality sometimes wink . The third I do not frequesnt much mostly due to time constraints but in an effort to be a part of things over there I do try to post from time to time especially if it is to share information.

The S.P.I.N. site was designed with glider education in mind. Because ours is an educational site, it is necessary for us to include a LOT of information there- treat recipes and the HPW diet recipe are there... but we alos have links (with permission) to other people's sites (for instance, Iowa Misty's fruit and veggie cubes and diet making videos and her Ca:P chart or Candy Otte's blended diet with comparision charts). We also include links to breeders, to the GC vet database AND a national database of general veterinarians in case a glider knowledgable vet near you cannot be found and you have an emergency. We have vendor links, as well, and links to other forums and (with permission re: the pictures) a whole page deicated to the decriptions of gldier color variations with photographs.

The thing about our links page is that there usually is NO description of the site or preview of it- simply a name in a list under a heading... so the lists are QUITE lengthy and I do keep meaning to find time to update the page (something i might try to do in the next 3 weeks if I find some time to myself ") )

We did not create S.P.I.N. to "replace" GC but rather to work along side it. We do not have a forum ourselves... and while I understand what Eddie is saying about the need for a "centralized glider website" where links, forums, and information are all available, it is simply not feasible to attempt to be the "only one" because people are going to create sites and they are going to fill those sites with information...

To be the centralized hub of information that I think Eddie would like for GC to be, it would be necessary to create a worldwide ban on creating "external" websites including glider information... forcing everyone in the world to come here FIRST... and ONLY through GC would people be able to get to any other glider informational sites (and GC would have to weild the power to decide which sites to allow the populace to visit... so if GC did not approve you, your site could not exist). While this actually COULD be rather helpful to newbies, since they would get the information they need without having to wade through multiple other sites and forums that may or may not contain "accepted" information or "reputable" links or "current" anything... it would also be restricive to the populace as a whole since people seem to prefer to have CHOICE about what information to get and where to get it.

The other forums NEED to exist so that those who do not fit in here or prefer to follow "different" rules still have a place to "go"... sites like TGI, SPIN, and The MBP all serve a purpose that can work WITH all of the forums (including GC) and the smaller sites and breeder sites belonging to members of GC, in my opinion, actually HELP more than HURT. Maybe they do not all carry the LATEST info or have MORE or LESS links than some might feel necessary... some might even feel that these small sites "hurt" GC because they exist- but IMO, if places like Perfect Pocket Pets are going to exist and flood the web with their version of glider care and knowledge, then the more sites in existance that go AGAINST that kind of information the better off we are... because doing a search and finding GC has been a lucky break for a LOT of people... if they missed the GC link or GC was NOT the first to pop up on a search engine- would you rather those who need help find a (PPP) Perfect Pocket Pets site... or a site that may have links to or at least may have gotten it's info from GC?

I htink Eddie's vision is a good one... but since most people view GC as a FORUM not an INFORMATIONAL site per se, I think the links button often gets over looked... not to mention that the few times I used it as a newbie I found out of date information, sparse information, or no information at all about what I needed.

I make 2 suggestions:

1) If you want more new people to come here, create more tags to the site... I wonder how many new people could be helped if a specifice tag existed to take people searching for "Sugar Glider Help" or "sugar glider dying" could generate a link straight to GC's vet database?

2) Maybe GC needs a links research department... not all good gldier sites realize that to get their link onto GC they need to register in that section and ask for it to be there... maybe if GC ad a team whose purpose was to reaseach other gldier sites, research veterinarians across the country for gldier knowledge, etc... then that team could contact the people whose sites or info GC wants to post or link to instead of wating for them to come to GC and offer it... then the links database would stay more current and up-to-date and offer MORE information making GC an even BETTER place to find information...

Then some other sites would be more willing to minkt o GC links instead of having their own choice of links listed on their pages.


Julie
Hubby: George
Kids: Ayla & Michael
Grandsons: Trysten, Dayton, KJ & Nathyn
The Zoo: Midnight, Severe & Nala - Claude, Pixie, Tippy & Chili - Scout & Soluna, Theo & Deegie

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Re: Reinventing the Wheel [Re: LabNGliderMom] #869158
11/19/09 12:38 PM
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I am not really sure I understand what is the issue here.
Be patient with me, I sometimes dont get all the computer lingo.
It semms it starts out with Eddie being upset over the website, that we are not putting differences aside and pulling together. Then after that I read numerous responces about people feeling like they have been slapped. and other people talking about linking things, and now my brain is totally fried after reading all this and I forget what the original point is.

So I want to add my 2 cents worth. First of all I myself have felt "slapped" here and got my feelings hurt and stopped posting for a very short time and visited another forum regularly for awhile. But when someone there misunderstood something I said, after NUMEROUS explanations, I realized that all those times I felt offended that perhaps I was the one misunderstanding, and those people were NOT being "slap happy". I realized that I need to put on a thicker skin and even if someone does "slap" me, now I just ignore it and continue. There is always something to learn here!

All the moderators here have been VERY kind and supportive to me, and encourage me to stick around even when I felt like I didnt want to.

The problem with open forums like this one is people will always disagree. But that is ok. That is the point! I dont always want people to agree with me. If there is a flaw to my thinking I want people to speak up, that way we can all learn by seeing opposing views. It is also possible that there is more than one view that is correct as well, and how else will we learn this except by listening to others.
On my websites I purposefully gave only basic info and encourage people to research, and gave them a few links to get started (including one to here)as well as an open invitation to email me with more questions.

This is a good site! but I am sure some people visiting here dont understand how to use it to its full potential. Heck it took me 2 days to figure out how to put up a new topic! I have never visited a forum before and had NO clue, and couldnt find any concise instructions to help. I finally had to have a friend over to help. Dont laugh at me, I am quite intelligent, but if you know NOTHING about a certain thing, it can be very frustrating, and to those that know, it seems so simple. One of my friend still cannot program her cell phone, and how many of you know how to work on copy machines? Do you get the illustration? Instruction may need to be added here to help those that are not computer/forum savy.

what was the point anyway? mill breeders were mentioned. I had a great idea to get the state of NJ involved to help out with (PPP) Perfect Pocket Pets, and how many offered to help? everyone wants to speak up and complain about them, but how many are actually DOING something about it?

but I digress.....what were we talking about?

to reiterate---I think this is a great place to start researching gliders, but even new people have to understand that not everything read on here is written in stone, it is all based on people's PERSPECTIVES.

so now, group hug everyone!


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Re: Reinventing the Wheel [Re: hushpuppy] #869167
11/19/09 12:59 PM
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Originally Posted By: BabyLoveGliders
Well I know that NOW!! Thanks Eddie.. took your advise and got it in! Also doing some rating! That section really needs to be used more.. it's wonderful!


Thank you Kris, yes it needs to be used more. There are a lot of great features in there and can add more.
Originally Posted By: ValkyrieMome
Well, yes - sometimes you DO bite!

I'm with Kris! Although the GC rules are spelled out, and I am frequently given the opportunity to re-read them (especially when I violate one!) the rules are subject to interpretation. On more than one occasion, I've been sent a "you violated Rule X" notice, which always includes a copy of said rule, and I reread the rule, and don't really "see" the violation.

I don't argue. I accept that I've gotten my hand slapped, frequently for reasons I don't understand. And then I get the "if you do it one more time you'll be banned" message. And I accept that.

However, since I'm rarely sure of how I violate Rules, my response to being "warned" is to post less and less. On more than one occasion, when I've asked exactly how I violated a rule - for my own clarification - I'm told to stop questioning (often seen as arguing), and just accept it.

Having said all that - and getting back to what Kris said - my own experience is that it is best NOT to ask. And it is further best to just assume that anything remotely out of the ordinary daily operations is NOT allowed. It wouldn't occur to me, should I have a site, to link, and it certainly wouldn't occur to me to ask if I could.

Just saying ... you want to create an atmosphere of unity and cooperation, but much of what *I* have seen directly opposes such an atmosphere.

Ok - my hand is out. Slap away.


Please, if you do not see or understand why you were sent the violation, by all means ask Karen or myself and we will do our best to explain it. Just ask us nicely and we will talk about it with you.

A violation is just a violation. Its not a ban sentance so no one should be offended if they get one. 10 years ago there was over 15+ rules. We are well below that and still keep removing some as time changes.

The only rule that will not ever change is the ones about attacking others or bringing personal issues.

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Just saying ... you want to create an atmosphere of unity and cooperation, but much of what *I* have seen directly opposes such an atmosphere.


The rules are real easy, dont bash, harass, or disrespect others. If one needs to do those things then the person can never have unity with anyone but others who like to do the same. There is no reason to bash, harass someone on a glider forum that is trying to educate. Kill them with kindness. Many people come to us and say they are scared to post, not because of the rules, but the fear that certain members and or groups of members will attack them. There is no reason to attack, trust me I want to beat my head against the wall when people wont listen too and sometimes wish the rules werent here too.
Originally Posted By: ValkyrieMome
I'm sorry - I thought that the topic was uniting the glider community, and why can't we all work together.

Eddie asked why no one asked him - and I answered from my point of view as to why.

If that isn't the topic, perhaps it is like the Rules, and I require further clarification?


No its not about that, this post is more about using existing resources rather than copying and trying to start whats already in place. We need to start uniting there first and I will have a future post about uniting the community in other ways.

Originally Posted By: hushpuppy
I've got to say that I disagree with some of what has been said here. I’ve had my hand tapped a few times when I accidently posted something that was against the rules. It was just a reminder, of the rules not a death sentence.


Thank you Anita, most take personal offense when they receive a pm. All it is is to let them know and explain what was done so it doesn't happen again.


No one should be afraid to post at all. Many will pm myself or Karen if they feel their post may cross the line and ask us before they post if we would read it.

All we ask is for a friendly environment for everyone. There is no reason not be. No need to curse, bash, or yell at someone. This is as clear as it gets, I don't see how much clearer it can get. But I will address that in the near future as this is not the post to do it in, but wanted to address some concerns.

The only sites we will not link to is sites like Perfect Pocket Pets. Many other forums have chosen to require you to login before you see the forums, we link to those too no matter what their rules are. When someone submits a link, the only reason we would not allow it is if it is soo bad in content that we wouldnt want our younger members brought there due to its content.

We do investigate some of the reviews left as they were soo horrible. After investigating most have proven to have never had contact with the site or person they left a review for and they only left that review because they don't like the site or person. That is few and far that it happens. No site or review is rejected unless there was no reason for it to be listed and as I said we always look to work with the person.


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Re: Reinventing the Wheel [Re: jacknsally] #869169
11/19/09 01:03 PM
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Originally Posted By: jacknsally
Are you asking that other forums link from their site to the links area here on GC? Or are you asking that they have the links available with a word of interest like GC has?


No I am not ever gona ask that other sites try to do the active linking like we are doing here. Just link to the links area.

It is very similar to the breeder registry people have tried to start. 95% feel there should be one registry so its easier to find lineage and so the info gets out, and stays accurate and up to date. This is what I am talking about. Not that GC gets any credit, it doesn't, it always links to the original resource.

GliderCENTRAL does not care about getting credit or anything. All we want is to get the education out there.


Eddie

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"Great people talk about ideas. Average people talk about things. Small people talk about other people."

One day your life will flash before your eyes. Make sure its worth watching!
Re: Reinventing the Wheel [Re: gliderdad79] #869175
11/19/09 01:15 PM
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No one should be afraid to post at all. Many will pm myself or Karen if they feel their post may cross the line and ask us before they post if we would read it.



I recently had a PM chat with Karen along these lines. I wanted to make a thread asking a question and was concerned with how the outcome would be. I was encouraged to make the thread but decided not to because there is always bickering amongst individuals instead of helping! If more people spent more time here focused on JUST the gliders and not who back stabbed them,stalks them,dislikes their way ECT. more helping could be done! The forum should be treated the same as work... check you attitude and personal dislike for the individual at the door and put the gliders first!!!

I love GC this was my first home when looking for gliders! Without GC I still wouldn't have my babies! I found an amazing breeder through GC that I wouldn't have found other wise. I do frequent one or two other forums but 99% for chat and fun. Majority of my questions get posted here and I always read and post when I can help here!


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Re: Reinventing the Wheel [Re: finnessa] #869185
11/19/09 01:47 PM
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If more people spent more time here focused on JUST the gliders and not who back stabbed them,stalks them,dislikes their way ECT. more helping could be done!


I agree with you!! Unfortunately though... When people do try to think just about the gliders and pitch in to do some real good... others dont like the particular group you are helping and in the end it is the gliders that get hurt. Not sure how it will change, as it has gotten worse, much worse but like Gandhi said .. "be the change you wish to see" So here we are, still pressing on!

Re: Reinventing the Wheel [Re: ] #869202
11/19/09 02:42 PM
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but like Gandhi said .. "be the change you wish to see"



If everyone took even 25% of their time to follow this belief we would see a great deal of change! If people simply took the time to think "sheesh will what I am about to say help this topic at hand?" A lot will realize they bring a lot more unnecessary comments to a thread that cause others to do the same!

It is one thing to get upset and misuse words over the concerns of helping the gliders,but to go on personal tirades about a single person on a help board is beyond uncalled for! When new people see these uncalled for attacks it makes them not want to ever post so that doesn't happen to them! A lot of these attacks I see are the "old timers" attacking "old timers" when they should be the ones setting an example!


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2 cats
3 turtles
and 4 skin kids.
Re: Reinventing the Wheel [Re: kitsune] #870934
11/23/09 12:17 AM
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Originally Posted By: kitsune
I understand catering to new members, but it seems like it's gotten to the point where new members are the focus of this place and old members just aren't allowed the respect they deserve, so they leave. A forum like this has great potential, but lately I have seen much of that potential go to waste because of the lack of experienced members that can deal with the environment created.


Kitsune: As a 'newbie' I for one look up to the experienced 'older' members of this blog. I may not be typical but I know I have a lot to learn from the 'experienced' members on this board. I also think that as a part of the sugar glider community, it's the duty and responsibility of older experienced members on this blog to help the newcomer and educate them and assist them with diet/nutrition, health, general care and avoidance of the mill breeders and their mis-information...Not for the sake of the member him or herslf, but for the general well-being of the animal(s) in their care. I understand what you are saying about the older members feel that they are not given the focus or attention they deserve, but I wouldn't say its a matter of respect. What type of respect are you speaking of? I see there are forums on GC that are not anyway related to glider care, I would guess they are for anyone and the older members too, who don't need to research feeding, diet, care, etc. that newbies need to...so inessence there are some items catering to older members (my opinion).

Remember, new members are the future of this community working in harmony with the older members.


Last edited by JediMasterMatt; 11/23/09 12:24 AM.
Re: Reinventing the Wheel [Re: ] #871800
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The problem is, Matt, we get newbies here by the dozen and unfortunately, most of them just want justification and not education.

A lot of people come here and say things like... "I'm feeding this unapproved, pellet-only diet, is it okay?" or "I got these rescues off of Craigslist, what can I do to make them breed?" or "I keep my gliders in a tiny cage, is a bigger one really necessary because I don't have any money to even take them to the vet much less get a cage?" or "help me convince my mom to let me get a glider for a pet"

What happens many times is that the "old timers" or "respected members" offer help, guidance, and support. We tell these newbies the TRUTH... but many times (no, not EVERY TIME, but MANY times) these newbies want VALIDATION and not TRUTH... we tell them what they need to hear or what they need to do, and instead of "okay thatnks!" we see them asking the same question over and over and over because they are waiting for someone to com along who will give them the anser they WANT to hear.

For those of us wanting nothing more than to help gliders and devoting our time and energy into repeatedly aswering the same questions without complaint because we want these newbies to give their gliders the BEST lives possible... it is VERY frustrating and comes across as a "lack of respect" for the ones who are looking for validation rather than help to blow us off.

After a while, the "old timers" who deal with this every day begin to get a bit frustrated or jaded. We want so BADLY to help but we are so FRUSTRATED that we are not having what we feel is a "big enough impact" on the gldier community... some switch boards, some take a "board break", some give up, some stay and keep plodding on, and some stay but develop a rather cynical attitude.

So yes, there are threads that "cater primarily to older members"... but please consider that sometimes, even those threads can offer something to newbies who read them... even if it is nothing more than an "old timer" decribing a good day with their gliders or something new they learned or created and primarily sharing the info with other "old timers"... newbies can glean valuable information from those threads, too.

I realize that sometimes there are threads that seem primarily between the "old timers" and maybe some banter or bickering occurs- but even these serve a purpose... when I was new to the boards I actully felt MORE COMFORTABLE becoming a part of GC when I saw that there WERE "old timers" who knew each other well enough to bicker back and forth but still stay on the same boards together and that there wee "old timers" who CARED enough to be here as long as they had been to share insights and opinions and advice with newbies like I was back then.


Julie
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Kids: Ayla & Michael
Grandsons: Trysten, Dayton, KJ & Nathyn
The Zoo: Midnight, Severe & Nala - Claude, Pixie, Tippy & Chili - Scout & Soluna, Theo & Deegie

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Re: Reinventing the Wheel [Re: LabNGliderMom] #871807
11/24/09 08:59 AM
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The "old timers" are what kept me here, too! It is hard to see the newbie posts some times though, when you know you can't really tell them how wrong they for fear of scaring them away. I feel I am learning everyday here from someone and do post when I am absolutely sure of what I am saying and it is always for the good of the gliders!


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