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Avrage cage cost. . .

Posted By: Anonymous

Avrage cage cost. . . - 08/24/04 05:43 PM

I was just thinking 'bout things and decided to ask a question.....
How much does every one spend on their cages? (Just curious) Nathan spent $300, I made one that is twice the size for under $100 (including toys), and I also made one that holds two gliders for $35
--Kat <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/dance.gif" alt="" />.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Avrage cage cost. . . - 08/24/04 05:46 PM

I built my own for 60
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Avrage cage cost. . . - 08/24/04 05:51 PM

How big is it???
--kat
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Avrage cage cost. . . - 08/24/04 05:57 PM

2x2x4
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Avrage cage cost. . . - 08/24/04 06:06 PM

Wow. .Mine that I fully furnished and built for under $100 is 4 feet tall, four feet accross, and two feet deep. HUGE!!
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Avrage cage cost. . . - 08/24/04 06:09 PM

I spent most of the money on toys at petsmart ^_^
Posted By: Sugar_Mama

Re: Avrage cage cost. . . - 08/24/04 06:35 PM

What type of wire mesh did you use for it? That's an awfully low price for such a large cage.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Avrage cage cost. . . - 08/25/04 01:55 AM

I just got my first gliders on 6/19 so went full out on the cost thing. (been planning for years). Just didn't trust my contractor skills. Learning however, and am planning on building according to a bedroom. I am totally in awe of you guys that can build the cage!!! so I hear EBAY!!!!!!!!!!! I am sure lots of uncoordinated people out there like me are looking for some custom cages!!!!!!!
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Avrage cage cost. . . - 08/25/04 05:31 AM

We probably spent a little less than $300 initially. We made it ourselves. A 50' roll of 1"x1/2" PVC is a little over $100 from Klubertanz. But then with shipping (to Canada) and pans and latches it came out close to $300 USD.

That's not counting any toys/pouches.

It was a bit expensive, and pretty big (though a little smaller than we wanted), but for animals that are as active and intelligent as sg's are, we felt they deserved as good as we could provide.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Avrage cage cost. . . - 08/25/04 07:08 AM

<img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/littleglider.gif" alt="" /> [:"magenta"]i plan on getting my cage from www.kanddexoticpets.com they have a package deal. 2 sgs and one cage for $600. i think that is pretty good. [/]
Posted By: Charlie H

Re: Avrage cage cost. . . - 08/25/04 10:55 AM

I build and sell cages. But do not ship because of expense of shipping. Mostly I just sell to local people. My 2'X 2'X 4' pvc coated wire cage is $165. Mary and I desigened these cages with sugar gliders in mind. They have a large door at the bottom to accomodate the installation of a wheel and a smaller door on top. They also have three shelves and a pull out tray. Mary likes the cages that are only 18" deep better because she can not reach the back of a 2' cage for daily cleaning. I use the 1/2" X 1" 16ga. pvc coated wire from Klubertanz for all of my cages. I'm not trying to advertise here but just giving you some ideas. I think Klubertanz will cut the wire to your specifications if you request it. There is a charge for each cut. That way you do not have to order a full roll of wire but I would suggest you order a little extra to compensate for mistakes.
Charlie H
Posted By: SarahW

Re: Avrage cage cost. . . - 08/25/04 04:02 PM

Well, I bought a Klubertanz 50' roll, pen rings, tool, latches, handles, and door guard for $165. Later I got J-clips and pliers and more latches and handles from them for $25. I also got the glue for the door guards and two Klein pliers (one side cutter, one pair of dikes) for about $50 (they are great tools which I needed anyway and will use again). So I am in this about $240. From the roll I have built a 1x1x1.5 travel cage for my sgs, a 2x3x6 cage for my sgs, and I had enough left over to build a 2x2x3 cage which I will sell. So right now I am in it for $240, but I hope to be in it for $140 by next week. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Avrage cage cost. . . - 08/25/04 05:11 PM

Well, not counting building materials (staples, skrews, wooden dowels) our wood cage cost a little over $100 to build so far. We still have to get some molding for it though and I suspect that will bring the total up to somewhere under $150. It's a 18" x 36" x 60" (72" with bottom storage) wooden frame cage with vinyl coated hardware cloth. And as far as toys and pouches, I've only started buying for them but I've spent $50.00 on toys so far.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Avrage cage cost. . . - 08/25/04 05:38 PM

I got all the materials at Home Depot I used galvinized wire and coated the spots that needed it with accrilic-plastic stuff myself!!! ( I also didn't use wood b/c of the smell.) The frame is made of the strips that you put at the end of carpet and tile. . (Hard to describe, it's made of aluminum.) I also used little things that people put on cabnets for the feet... <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/yelclap.gif" alt="" />
--kat
Posted By: Charlie H

Re: Avrage cage cost. . . - 08/25/04 09:50 PM

Galvanized wire is not considered acceptable for use on glider cages. Gliders have been known to die from zinc poisoning from the galvanize. Males can also get UTIs.
Charlie H
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Average cage cost. . . - 08/26/04 01:55 AM

[:"blue"] There have been quite a few posts about health problems caused by using galvanized wire. Other problem is that galvanized cages will eventually start to rust and look really bad. The preferred materials are plastic mesh(non-chewers only), PVC coated hardware cloth or stainless steel mesh(for the very wealthy).[/]
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Avrage cage cost. . . - 08/26/04 05:35 PM

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coated the spots that needed it with accrilic-plastic stuff myself!!!

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I )My grandfather didn't coat the corners and the edges b/c they have plastic trim!!!!
--Kat <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/heartpump.gif" alt="" />
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Avrage cage cost. . . - 08/26/04 08:19 PM

Just my personal opinion but I would never use galvanized wire whether I coated it myself or not. I wouldn't risk my gliders health.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Avrage cage cost. . . - 08/27/04 06:31 AM

[:"blue"]I'm not exactly talented when it comes to building things, so I purchased a large, high quality aviary cage for my gliders for just under $200. [/]
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Avrage cage cost. . . - 08/27/04 03:43 PM

Nothing is exposed, you know the green wire that is coated is galvanided underneath
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Avrage cage cost. . . - 08/27/04 03:49 PM

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[:"blue"]I'm not exactly talented when it comes to building things, so I purchased a large, high quality aviary cage for my gliders for just under $200. [/]

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Exactly what I did! It's pretty nice..kind of a green speckle colour..the only thing is that the doors are kind of small..but I got a stand with it as well and it is very easy to clean...4' tall 3' x 3' so it's pretty roomie and my girls LOVE it!
Posted By: SarahW

Re: Avrage cage cost. . . - 08/27/04 05:44 PM

Well, if you're getting the Riverdale Vinyl-Gard Wire from Klubertanz, you're getting "Rust-Proof PVC Coating Bonded to Galvanized Steel" (it's in the catalog). The Shepard Vinyl-Coated wire they also offer is not available in a 1/2 x 1" mesh or a 1/2 x 1/2" mesh, so if you're buying your wire from Klubertanz, you're getting galvanized steel, albeit vinyl-coated.

Now everyone on the GC boards seems to agree that Klubertanz's wire is amazing, and tons of people on these boards use it and swear by it (including me). I have never had a problem with the cage I have (which uses Klubertanz wire). I do know from building cages these past few weeks that the PVC can come off if you scrape it away, but that it doesn't happen unless you're using something really sharp or a lot of force (in other words, be careful and you'll be fine).

So I would bet that the galvanized, PVC-coated wire you're using isn't as dangerous as some people might initially assume. I care a great deal about my gliders' health, but I feel safe using Klubertanz' PVC coated wire.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Avrage cage cost. . . - 08/27/04 05:59 PM

Hu?Huh? *Bump*
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Avrage cage cost. . . - 08/27/04 06:01 PM

You replied exactly when I did. . .. It seems to be safe. I'm poor. I did get my stuf at homedepot, but I know lots of people who do that. .
Posted By: SarahW

Re: Avrage cage cost. . . - 08/27/04 07:14 PM

The PVC/Vinyl/Powder Coating shields the gliders from contact with the wire and any dangerous properties it may have. I would always take coated wire over uncoated stainless steel because it is easier to clean, looks nicer, is cheaper, and I would think would be more comfortable to glider toes than uncoated wire.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Avrage cage cost. . . - 08/27/04 07:20 PM

I bought my cages off of ebay for $89.00 and $105.00 and they are large ones too. Ebay has some great prices and some ship for free.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Avrage cage cost. . . - 08/27/04 07:21 PM

Yes, but those are coated professionally. I am only stating an opinion that *I* wouldn't use galvanized wire that I coated myself.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Avrage cage cost. . . - 08/27/04 10:03 PM

Okay, but my grandfather knows EVERYTHING he was an acratect, and he is just plain smart!!
Posted By: SarahW

Re: Avrage cage cost. . . - 08/28/04 03:34 PM

Victoria: I agree - I wouldn't use wire I coated myself either. If I knew someone who was good at it or who had experience, I might, but Klubertanz has such a great product, I'd rather go with them.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Avrage cage cost. . . - 08/29/04 04:46 AM

<img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/littleglider.gif" alt="" /> [:"magenta"] personally, i woud not use galvanized materials of any kind. i was considering making my own cage. i heard the klubertanz site came highly recommended, so i checked it out. but when i saw that the coated wire was galvanized, i said "no way." just my thoughts.[/]
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Avrage cage cost. . . - 08/29/04 04:55 AM

of course it is coated galvanized. The wire from Klubertanz is good.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Avrage cage cost. . . - 08/29/04 04:59 AM

<img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/littleglider.gif" alt="" /> [:"magenta"]call me paranoid, but i wouldn't use galvanized wire even if it is coated. just my humble opinion.[/]
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Avrage cage cost. . . - 08/29/04 05:01 AM

I think it a to be galvanized so they can't chew throught it. The wire is safe!
Posted By: SarahW

Re: Avrage cage cost. . . - 08/29/04 05:49 AM

Charlesex, what type of cage do you have? What kind of wire is in it? Is it stainless steel? I'm curious about the other types of cages people use.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Avrage cage cost. . . - 08/29/04 07:11 AM

<img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/littleglider.gif" alt="" /> [:"magenta"] i don't have my suggies yet, so it isn't an issue. when i get my cage, i plan to either buy it from www.kanddexoticpets.com or make my own out of pvc-coated hardware cloth. stainless steel may not be the best, but personally, i would use that before i would go with anything galvanized. maybe i am just overly cautious, but there you have it. [/]
Posted By: Sugar_Mama

Re: Avrage cage cost. . . - 08/29/04 02:33 PM

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personally, i woud not use galvanized materials of any kind. i was considering making my own cage. i heard the klubertanz site came highly recommended, so i checked it out. but when i saw that the coated wire was galvanized, i said "no way." just my thoughts.

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i don't have my suggies yet, so it isn't an issue. when i get my cage, i plan to either buy it from www.kanddexoticpets.com or make my own out of pvc-coated hardware cloth. stainless steel may not be the best, but personally, i would use that before i would go with anything galvanized. maybe i am just overly cautious, but there you have it.


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Under the PVC coating, the hardware cloth is galvanized. Whether you get it from Klubertanz, K & D Exotics, or make your own, you'll have a cage made from the same thing. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" /> All 3 of those options are good choices, though. As long as it's made from the PVC coated hardware cloth and not just regular galvanized hardware cloth it should be safe. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/thumb.gif" alt="" />
Posted By: SarahW

Re: Avrage cage cost. . . - 08/29/04 03:46 PM

Sugar Mama, you read my mind! I checked out their cages and they seem to be using the same wire I do.

I wonder if PVC coating is like powder coating: with powder coating, you can only use certain, magnetic metals. This is why you can't powder coat aluminum (not magnetic). BUT perhaps PVC bonds better to galvanized steel or something like that.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Avrage cage cost. . . - 08/29/04 04:10 PM

Is it vinyl coated and pvc the same. I'm confused? <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/nixweiss.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/confused.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/nixweiss.gif" alt="" />
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Avrage cage cost. . . - 08/29/04 04:12 PM

I built my own cage out of plastic coated wire shelving. I have since split it into 2 cages and slightly altered it though (I'll post pics once it's totally finished)... The original interior dimensions of the cage were 32 inches x 32 inches x 64 inches (38 cubic feet)... The new dimensions are (top): 28 inches x 32 inches x 36 inches and (bottom): 28 inches x 32 inches x 24 inches. I had to alter it because the drop pans didn't fit correctly and I wanted to split it into 2 cages...
The cost was:
13 pieces of close mesh wire shelving @ $12 a piece: $152
2 plastic washing machine mat things (I use them as drop pans) @ $20 each: $40
1 hack saw (w/extra blade): $6
300 super pet cage clips: $25

More of less I got 2 great cages for $225. I love my cages and they are exactly what I want. I don't know if I'll ever buy a cage again or not...
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Avrage cage cost. . . - 08/29/04 04:20 PM

Oh, I forgot the vitals of a single cage...

Dimensions (exterior): 28 inches x 32 inches x 72 inches
Dimensions (interior): Varies... 28 inches x 32 inches x 68 inches (35 cubic feet)

Supplies:
11 pieces of wire shelving @ $12 each: $132
1 drop pan: $20
100 4 inch zip ties (cheeper...): $1
hack saw: $6

Total cost: $160
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Avrage cage cost. . . - 08/29/04 07:09 PM

[:"magenta"] sorry if this is <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/offtopic.gif" alt="" /> , but i wanna know why nobody has thought to create a hard plastic cage? <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/nixweiss.gif" alt="" /> that sounds like the safest option![/]
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Avrage cage cost. . . - 08/29/04 07:19 PM

What do you mean by hard plastic? Like hard plastic mesh or like Plexi-glass?
I've bought every type of plastic mesh I've been able to find over the last few months to see if that was actually an option and in all honesty, I waisted a lot of money. Gliders can chew threw a lot of it or it's just not up to my standards...
Now as far as plexi-glass goes, that would be equivalent to putting gliders in an aquarium... I've been trying to make a plexi-glass cage with removable mesh that attaches to the inside of it, but I haven't had much luck...
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Avrage cage cost. . . - 08/29/04 07:23 PM

<img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/littleglider.gif" alt="" /> [:"magenta"]no, i know better than to put them in an aquarium type of thing. do you know those little plastic baskets they sell with handles? they come in different sizes/colors, and have holes in them, kinda like cage bars. the gliders could still climb. why couldn't somebody make a cage out of that? [/]
Posted By: SarahW

Re: Avrage cage cost. . . - 08/30/04 01:18 AM

PVC and vinyl are the same thing, Tbone. PVC stands for PolyVinyl Chloride, which is the full chemical name for that type of vinyl. It allows for a relatively thick, quick drying, softer coating than powder coating.

PVC is not the same as powder coating. To powder coat something, you electrically, negatively charge a magnetic metal object. The paint chips/powder are positively charged, so when you spray down the metal, they are bonded electromagnetically as well as by the drying action of the powder spray. It takes a LOT to chip off a powder coating, which is why you will often see this type of coating on ATVs, mountain bikes, engine parts; anything that takes a lot of abuse. Powder coating is thinner but more durable than PVC. It takes several coats which require a day's worth of drying between applications. It is more expensive than PVC.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Avrage cage cost. . . - 08/30/04 04:47 AM

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<img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/littleglider.gif" alt="" /> [:"magenta"]no, i know better than to put them in an aquarium type of thing. do you know those little plastic baskets they sell with handles? they come in different sizes/colors, and have holes in them, kinda like cage bars. the gliders could still climb. why couldn't somebody make a cage out of that? [/]

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I don't quite know what you're talking about. Could you possibly find a picture?
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Avrage cage cost. . . - 08/30/04 10:59 AM

[:"magenta"]ugh, if only i had a digital camera! <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/roflmao.gif" alt="" /> it is kinda hard to explain. but it is made out of hard plastic, sorta like those plastic easter eggs (but thicker.) [/]
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Avrage cage cost. . . - 08/30/04 02:02 PM

A cage made out of plastic easter eggs...now wouldn't that be interesting...lol
Posted By: Srlb

Re: Avrage cage cost. . . - 08/30/04 04:22 PM

Are you talking about the hard plastic type stuff that they sometimes use for like the latchhook rugs and or cross stitching type things? I think I have an idea of what you are talking about. That is hard plastic, and I am not sure if I would take the chances of using hard plastic in case they chewed and possibly ingested some.

Your best bet with a glider cage in my opinion would be the same thing that most use and that is the pvc coated mesh, or a rept.

Just my two cents worth. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/thumb.gif" alt="" />
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Avrage cage cost. . . - 08/31/04 07:21 AM

<img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/roflmao.gif" alt="" /> [:"magenta"]alyssa, maybe i should have clarified that i meant the PLASTIC was like that which is used for easter eggs. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/roflmao.gif" alt="" /> srlb, that is kinda what i am talking about. like what is used for plastic canvas (are you familiar with that?) i understand/respect your concern about chewing. however, many people give their gliders plastic toys, such as barrel of monkeys. if the plastic was made thicker, and therefore harder to chew, would that not make it safer? <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/nixweiss.gif" alt="" /> [/]
Posted By: Critter Creations

Re: Avrage cage cost. . . - 09/01/04 12:40 AM

I'll tell ya. My gliders have chewed hands off of the barrel of monkeys and also their eggs, but never chewed on their PVC coated wire on their cages. The hard plastic just is not a good idea. The PVC coated wire is the best option available.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Avrage cage cost. . . - 09/01/04 08:00 AM

[:"magenta"]wow, those poor handless monkeys! <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/roflmao.gif" alt="" /> i did not know about that. i am relieved to hear that they don't chew on the pvc coating in the cage, but why do you suppose they don't? are they just not attracted to the pvc? <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/nixweiss.gif" alt="" /> also, i have lots of plastic toys for my babies. is there a danger they could eat the plastic? <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/crying.gif" alt="" /> or do they just chew on it? <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/nixweiss.gif" alt="" /> [/]
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Avrage cage cost. . . - 09/02/04 05:44 PM

It IS a good idea, it just wouldn't work! <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" />
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