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Self-Mutilation

Posted By: Devil_Bunny_Girl

Self-Mutilation - 07/30/03 05:30 AM

I think I've found out what is really going on with Napoleon. What I thought to be him "flossing" appears more to be self mutilation. I'm absolutely terrified right now. I don't know what to do...I'm taking him to a vet in the morning... and hope to god he can help me. I'm so scared for my little guy. Why do they do this? What causes this self-mutilation??? WHY???? <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/upset.gif" alt="" />
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Self-Mutilation - 07/30/03 05:52 AM

Umm, slow down, and take a deep breath.
can you explain to us why you think there's more going on ?

Please be more detailed ...are there wounds on his privates ? is there a hissing noise, a pain cry noise unlike any sound you ever heard from him before ?


Tanja



Posted By: Judie

Re: Self-Mutilation - 07/30/03 05:53 AM

My suggestion if he is chewing....get an e-collar on him now and get him to an Emerg Clinic tonight.

Contact someone from the Self Mutilation site on the EVF. Ken or Danielle are in Ill, Tom Havens, Bourbon or Mary of Glider Tree.
Posted By: Devil_Bunny_Girl

Re: Self-Mutilation - 07/30/03 05:55 AM

He gave off this odd crying/crabbing as he was going at his genitals. I tried to take him out of his pouch tonight, and he bit me really, really hard. His genital area appears to be slightly bloody. He wont let me examine him any. He's not doing anything right now, and hasn't for an hour.. He's just kind of hanging upside down in the back corner of his cage, looking at the wall and listening to me type and talk to him.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Self-Mutilation - 07/30/03 05:58 AM

Reyoko has asked some very good questions, can you also give us a background, where you got him, (private, smaller breeder, pet store, etc?, diet, before you, and with you?), age, general health that kind of thing. Is he alone or with another glider?
Thanks! I hope we can help you. And that it's not self mutilating. Also what kind of cage does he have, galvanized, pvc coated, powder coated?
Chey
Posted By: Devil_Bunny_Girl

Re: Self-Mutilation - 07/30/03 06:08 AM

I got Nappy at a pet store.. he was 6months old. He's now 10 months old. His previous owner didn't want him and dumped him off at the store..and I was given him as a gift by my parents.

His diet consits of fresh water, Pretty Pets Sugar glider food, fresh fruits (apples, an orange every other week, grapes, cherries, sometimes banana's), a nut once in a while, rep-cal on his fruits, veggies (carrots mostly, sometimes some lettuce and celery), a boiled egg every other week - opposite from the oranges, and a fresh source of Sugar Glider NectaRx every 24 hours.

His cage is PVC coated, but the bottom grate was not. And it just hit me today that it wasn't, so I quickly removed it and replaced his bedding. He has been healthy as far as I know, since I've gotten him. He has never acted out of the ordinary till roughly 12AM on the 29th. He lives alone.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Self-Mutilation - 07/30/03 06:18 AM

Please check into a different diet from Pretty Pets, if I'm not mistaken, they are multicolored little balls? Mine won't touch them and they would probably throw them at me if I tried to feed them that! Here is a diet page of links: Diet Choices Personally, I use BML, that way I don't have to sprinkle their vitamins and cal on their food. I wouldn't like it that way and didn't think they would! What makes you think he is self mutilating?
Chey
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Self-Mutilation - 07/30/03 06:34 AM

Hmm, try feeding him some favourite foods, through the bars of the cage, or other way, to where you may get a good look at his behind <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/blush.gif" alt="" /> LOL
You need to get an e-collar on him asap, and take him to the vet asap. Here's a link on how to make an e-collar

Tanja
Posted By: Devil_Bunny_Girl

Re: Self-Mutilation - 07/30/03 06:35 AM

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What makes you think he is self mutilating?
Chey

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The strange crying/crabbing noise he's making..and the constant attacks he is making on his genitalia. That area is bloody looking, but not excessively.. I tried to take him out to examine him but I can't get him out of his cage to properly do so.

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Posted By: Devil_Bunny_Girl

Re: Self-Mutilation - 07/30/03 06:38 AM

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Hmm, try feeding him some favourite foods, through the bars of the cage, or other way, to where you may get a good look at his behind <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/blush.gif" alt="" />
Tanja

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I tried to get him to come over for me to see him, but he wont. I even tried some honey and yogurt. Those are his favorite treats.
<img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/frown.gif" alt="" /> Poor little guy. I feel absolutely terrible. This is all my fault. At least he is sleeping right now. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/ohwell.gif" alt="" />
Posted By: Judie

Re: Self-Mutilation - 07/30/03 06:41 AM

You need to get him to an emerg clinic befor he does further injury to himself. Waiting till morning may be to late as by then he may have done extensive injury to himself.

Some causes for mutilation can be from a UTI infection and especialy if housed in a cage with galvanized wire, or severe constipation. He is chewing himself due to being in severe pain. Get your glider to a vet ASAP if you do not have an e-collar.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Self-Mutilation - 07/30/03 06:43 AM

Ok, E-collar needed, and vet needed. E-collar link, in the last post of mine above yours. Have the vet check for dehydration, give you torbitol for pain management, and run a bacterial on the urinal.
Fecal smear and float also recomended.


Tanja

Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Self-Mutilation - 07/30/03 11:43 AM

The sooner he gets to the vet the better. Have him do the tests mentioned in an earlier post (fecal/urinalysis). It is also very important to get him in an e-collar to prevent any further damage. Gliders can cause damage that is severe quite quickly. Has he been eating okay lately? Look at the diets link that was previously posted as well. I also highly suggest bml for gliders that are doing any type of self mutilation. This is not your fault and could be a cause of many things. I am also listed at the glider health website as a contact, so feel free to contact me or anybody else listed. Let us know how the vet visit goes. Here is the glider health website: Glider Health
Posted By: Bourbon

Re: Self-Mutilation - 07/30/03 12:02 PM

Bindy, I need you to get her into private email, and help her through this, if you can't we need to get danielle in there with her.

Bunny....Be sure that e-collar is on and on right, and follow up with the vet, please please.. the amount of damage is the difference between being able to save him.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Self-Mutilation - 07/30/03 02:20 PM

I have sent a private email and am awaiting a response. Please let us know how the vet visit went and if you have put on an ecollar.
Posted By: Bourbon

Re: Self-Mutilation - 07/30/03 02:54 PM

sadly no news is always scarey...
I just got most of the sm site up

at the info tree

http://www.harborpro.com/phpBB2/index.php

and we also have the sm site at gliderhealth that Bindy posted..

http://gliderhealth.com/slfmutl/index.html


when a post gets made like this, the first thing people need to do is send them to one of those 2 places, they MUST get an e-collar on and then contact one of us. we can also help them with their collar..
but most of the time spent here was wasted time, I see everyone say get the collar on, but only later was the link posted where it was.

Many people don't understand the urgency in getting the proper help in these areas.

please forgive me, this is mainly frustration talking, but advice that needs to be heeded.. please folks, bookmark those sites so these guys can get immediate help.

Ecollar first...
contacts next
questions last
Posted By: Xfilefan

Re: Self-Mutilation - 07/30/03 03:54 PM

Bunny - I'm sorry to hear you're going through this. I just did with Riker. Please listen to Bourbon-she's been through this with many of us with self mutilating gliders and as much as he may hate it, the e-collar is a non-negotiable MUST. Until I could get Riker's on I kept him in his bonding pouch with my hand in the way or a piece of washcloth and let him bite that or me (went through lots of Betadine on my hands for a few days). Most important-DON'T PANIC. He is going to depend on you for his life.

Think of it this way-Riker started with the onset of puberty/flossing and a UTI. He hurt down there. Our little guys are intelligent, but also have some very strong instincts. To them, this pain makes them think that something is attacking them. The instinct is to attack it back to make it stop-biting, etc. This makes the pain worse, which makes them attack back harder. This is where the vicious cycle starts. They don't understand that they (in part) are causing a lot of the pain that they're trying to fight. It's up to you to break the cycle. Stop him from chewing on himself at ALL COSTS.

I want to ask: has he just started flossing recently? Riker started this within a few days or so. We had him neutered quickly, and it seems (8 weeks and counting he's been out of the collar) to have helped.

I can't say enough-LISTEN TO BOURBON!! Get your little one to a vet ASAP and if you have trouble with a collar I can send you one already made. Just let me know, and keep us updated. You'll be in our prayers.

NOTE: YOU MAY JUST HAVE TO REACH IN WITH A TOWEL AND GRAB HIM, AND DEPOSIT HIM IN HIS POUCH! It might upset him for a moment, but believe me, he is concerned far more with other things right now than to stay that way. He can't save himself-it's up to you. We're here for you and you can contact us at any time. I'll even PM you my phone # if you need to talk, but Bourbon is the one for expert advice.
Posted By: Xfilefan

Re: Self-Mutilation - 07/30/03 04:06 PM

PM sent
Posted By: Lucy

Re: Self-Mutilation - 07/30/03 04:34 PM

Shanna, please give us an update! We're really concerned --
Posted By: Judie

Re: Self-Mutilation - 07/30/03 05:06 PM

Waiting for an update on this little guy.

Sites for information are now bookmarked.
Posted By: Devil_Bunny_Girl

Re: Self-Mutilation - 07/30/03 05:25 PM

Just got home -- tried calling contacts but with no success. It's cool though.. I'm calm, collected, and prepared for anything at this point. After posting last night I made calls to area clinics for emergency care. There was nothing for gliders...but at that point, Napoleon was asleep and hadn't done anything further to himself. I curled up in bed with him in my arms and layed there all night with him, to keep an eye on him.

Took him to a vet that was listed on the vet database on this site: Indian Prarie Animal Hospital <~ That's where I was at.

Napoleon was excellent as far as letting the doctor examine him and so forth. He enjoyed it so much that he urinated ALL OVER the Vet, which, was mentioned to be an excellent sign, just too bad it was on the vet and not in a sample cup.

I was encouraged to obtain a stool sample and bring it in on friday when we go back in for another check up. Right now, the Vet has Napoleon on Baytril .565% twice a day. This is to help clear up infection (if any) as well as prevent infection.

I'm in the process of constructing an ecollar, but I swear, I'm doing it wrong..or I'm just worried I am doing it wrong.

Napoleon is sleeping here in my lap. He's been sleeping since we left the vet. He was so good. I was also instructed to place Neosporin + Pain relief on the area after I get the collar on.

The vet was certain that there wasn't a great deal of damage and that it was good that I caught it as soon as I did. He believes that we can heal this without any surgery, but if there is any extensive damage or isn't healing properly, then surgery may be needed.

He was glad to see Napoleon urinating -- showed that he wasn't dehydrated and that he was infact healthy. I'm glad.

I will continue to contact those that were recommended to me in hopes to just have someone to talk to...

I seriously love you guys. You're the best... I really mean it. Napoleon and I appreciate your warm, loving kindness wihth all our hearts.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Self-Mutilation - 07/30/03 05:34 PM

I'm so glad to hear he's doing okay for now. I'm sure the others will be along soon with more info than I can offer. Just wanted to extend my good wishes and those from Bugsy and Rachel! There are several people that have experience with this that will be very helpful to you. Good luck <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/heartpump.gif" alt="" />
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Self-Mutilation - 07/30/03 05:38 PM

I just emailed you another number. It appears that we live quite close to each other. I'm glad to hear that the vet visit went smoothly.
Posted By: Bourbon

Re: Self-Mutilation - 07/30/03 06:36 PM

Devil bunny email sent. I would like to move this discussion over to the self mutilating part of the info tree so you can get more personalized help in this area. I hope the others understand, she can post updates here.
Posted By: Lucy

Re: Self-Mutilation - 07/30/03 07:40 PM

I very much hope the discussion can continue here as well, so we can all learn more as this recovery continues.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Self-Mutilation - 07/30/03 09:02 PM

Man, you know, i feel bad, that i didn't mention an e-collar and a vet sooner than what i did, and that i didn't provide the links to Burbon's self-mutilation help site. But at first i just didn't have enough info to think it was actual self-mutilation case going on, and wanted to calm her down. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/crying.gif" alt="" />

There was another suspected self mutilation case recently, and it turned out to be a false alarm, and i felt like an idiot, as that person didn't really give a full story either. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/worried2.gif" alt="" />


I guess it goes to show, that we all need to make detailed posts, and give plenty of crucial info, so that others know how to direct their help.


I hope this offends no one but rather shows both sides of the coin.
I just had to get this out.

I'm very glad to hear that little napoleon hasn't done too much damage at this point, and has been given all the care possible at this time.
Kudos to all involved. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/yelclap.gif" alt="" />


Tanja
Posted By: KattyM

Re: Self-Mutilation - 07/30/03 09:59 PM

I'm glad Napolean is doing well! I went to the self mutiliation site with the e-collar instructions. I'd like to make one, just in case (I know, I'm paranoid--both my gliders are healthy, thank God), but I want to be prepared JUST IN CASE! My question is, there is mention made that the sketch of moleskin strip is not to scale. It diagrams 2.25" and 4.5". The template is 1-3/16" x 5". Do I make something that is 2.25" (and then folded in half) by 4.5"? Or do I make something that is 1-3/6" (and then folded in half) by 5"?

Many thanks!
Posted By: Devil_Bunny_Girl

Update On Napoleon.. - 07/31/03 06:22 AM

Had a heck of a time getting that darned ecollar on him. My mother and I constructed a "softer" version using vet wrap and moleskin. Looks like a neck brace that someone who broke their neck would wear. The good news is this collar hasn't come off....YET. *knocks on wood*

Aye mi... I need sleep...and food....
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Update On Napoleon.. - 07/31/03 01:11 PM

Sending glider hugs and prayers for Napoleon <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/heartpump.gif" alt="" />
Posted By: Devil_Bunny_Girl

Nappy Update... - 08/01/03 04:04 PM

Napoleon is currently at the Vet's office under examination by Todd Gray. DVM. He's a really nice guy. He examined Napoleon and thought it best that I leave him there for the day/afternoon for examinations. I brought in a stool sample, fresh from this morning, and Dr. Gray stated that it looked healthy and clean. It wasn't runny, a fairly good example of a healthy stool. Napoleon weighed in at 90 grams; they were able to correctly weight him today!

Dr. Gray thought that the collar I made was a good idea, but he feels that it's just not doing what we want it to do. I reported that since the last visit Napoleon had not mutilated himself till this morning at 9AM. I was getting gas in my car, and all of a sudden he did that noise again. In an instant I grabbed for his pouch, and the noise stopped. I'm only assuming he was at himself. It was so quick that I really didn't get to see anything at all. His little nose sniffed at my fingers, he licked them and then closed his eyes to sleep the whole way to the vet's office.

Anyway, Dr. Gray is keeping him there for observation. They're going to put him under anestesia -- which he promised me was used successfully by several doctors on sugar gliders -- and once under, they're going to clean Napoleon's genitals, clear away any "dead" tissues and make sure that he is correctly expelling his bodily wastes. He then said they are going to construct an ecollar, and if they can't get that to stay on him, they will construct a vest for Nappy to wear that will not allow him to bend his torso to reach his genitalia. Dr. Gray also told me that if Napoleon's damage is far too great where he is unable to pass urine and fecal matter, then his chances of survival are grim. But, he also suggested that if Napoleon does survive, that the healing process will be a long one (Just as Belinda had discussed with me) and that I may want to look in to adding Prozac to Napoleon's diet, even though he hasn't shown any other signs of depression, aside from mutilation.

At this point I'm willing to do anything to help Napoleon. If he is so badly damaged that it effects his bodily functions, thus causing him more pain and suffering that can't be fixed, I will do what is necessary and have him put to sleep. I feel absolutely terrible right now. I've not slept since the night of the 29th. I've been around the clock watching over Napoleon, listening, talking, singing, and playing with him.

Right now, I'm going to go take a nap as I wait for a phone call from Dr. Gray to give me his analysis on everything that's going on. I hope Nappy is OK. I was just in the process of getting him a new playmate before this started happening, too. *sighs* I feel terrible. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/upset.gif" alt="" />
Posted By: Judie

Re: Nappy Update... - 08/01/03 04:37 PM

Many prayers coming your way and for Nappy too. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/frostyangel.gif" alt="" />
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Nappy Update... - 08/01/03 05:20 PM

It sounds like you've done your absolute best in caring for this little guy. I think the vet, along with the suggestions of the posters, will help in the recovery of Napoleon.

My thoughts are with you and Napoleon.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Nappy Update... - 08/01/03 07:03 PM

Any update yet??? <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/heartpump.gif" alt="" />
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Nappy Update... - 08/01/03 07:49 PM

Oh Shanna, you poor girl. I really hope and pray that Napoleon is going to heal up just fine. You must be in agony over this. I sincerely applaud you for taking such good care of your little guy. You also need to take care of yourself, though.
Please know that Maggie and I will keep you in our thoughts.
Lisa
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Nappy Update... - 08/01/03 08:25 PM

AWW how horrible for you and napoleon. Hugs from Oklahoma and sending good thoughts your way. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/crying.gif" alt="" />
Posted By: Karin

Re: Nappy Update... - 08/02/03 01:44 AM

O Shanna, I am so sorry you both are going through all of this. Sounds like we are close to each other too in location, if you need a friend to talk to, please call me.

Karin
Posted By: Devil_Bunny_Girl

Update, again! - 08/02/03 05:16 AM

I first want to say that I appreciate everyone's help and suggestions to me and Napoleon so far. It's been a great, great pleasure to know so many of you guys out there that care -- you are the best!

As for Napoleon, he is now home. I'm sorry that I never got a chance to take a picture of that neck brace that my mother and I had made -- but alas, I don't think it's something that would be beneficial to a S. M. just because the brace does turn flexible after a while.

So, at 2:30 PM Dr. Gray calls me and updates me on Napoleon's condition. The surgery session was a success! They cleaned him up and cleared away dead tissue as well as checked his bladder -- which was doing good! He did tell me, however, that Napoleon appeared to be somewhat dehydrated, which shocked me. He had drank some of his glider nectar and some of his water on his own and part by me giving it to him in drops by syringe. That was a little discouraging, but they gave him injections or something to help rehydrate him.

He said that Napoleon was a total angel and heartthrob in the clinic -- all the nurses were all googly over him while he was there.

He also has Napoleon wrapped around his torso in a "vest" like wrapping to keep him from bending to his genitalia. So, I am to continue with meds and Neosporin and such. Monday I call Dr. Gray to update him on Napoleon's progress or lack there of... and yeah. On a sad note, Dr. Gray informed me that Napoleon will not be able to reproduce ever. Which, doesn't bother me, I'm OK with that.

Now we're on a long read of recovery ahead of us. I just haven't taken pictures, but you know, I never once thought about it during this whole time. I was so focused on him that I cut off everything else for the last few days just to watch over him.

I did get some sleep and food in me today. Before work I had a two hour nap and then when I got home, I made myself and Napoleon dinner -- well, his was already made and in the freezer, but I had to get it out for him and stuff..

So, here I am. I feel a whole lot better now. I'm sure I'm not out of the clear yet, but you know... I'm just pleased that he turned out today from his surgery procedure and that his bladder, and Him, are OK for now.

I love my little booger!
Posted By: Judie

Re: Update, again! - 08/02/03 06:15 AM

Hang in there....it does get better. We are all here if you need anything...that is...except for sleep. Sleep seems to be something that some of us are short on. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/roflmao.gif" alt="" />

Thank you for the update. Looking for more positive ones in the days to come. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />

Sending Get Well Wishes. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/heartpump.gif" alt="" />
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Update, again! - 08/02/03 01:29 PM

I hope he gets well soon.. glad to hear that it went okay!!
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Update, again! - 08/02/03 04:00 PM

Kudos to you for all your perseverance and dedication to wee Nappy! <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/yelclap.gif" alt="" /> I sincerely hope he mends quickly and doesn't have any more problems - as I'm sure you hope and pray also. More info on that vest may certainly benefit others too. Hugs and kisses to Nappy! <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/heartpump.gif" alt="" />
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Update, again! - 08/02/03 04:08 PM

Hooray! I am so happy! <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/multi.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/roflmao.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/multi.gif" alt="" />
Thank you for sharing.
Lisa
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Update, again! - 08/02/03 07:38 PM

Best of luck with your baby, He is in my prayers! <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/heartpump.gif" alt="" />
Posted By: Karin

Re: Update, again! - 08/07/03 02:56 PM

How is this little guy doing?

Karin
Posted By: KattyM

Re: Update, again! - 08/07/03 04:32 PM

How wonderful that his surgery went well! I hope his recovery is speedy and that you're able to catch up on your rest. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/heartpump.gif" alt="" />
Posted By: Devil_Bunny_Girl

UPDATE! hehe - 08/08/03 04:37 PM

Hello all. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wave.gif" alt="" />

Sorry I haven't updated in a while. I've been so busy with work during the day, and Napoleon at night that I just haven't had the time to sit and type till now.

Haven't had the chance to take pictures of Nappy with a decent camera.

He loves his BML -- eats it up REALLY well. His meds mix in with it as well. I've noticed that Nappy isn't as "hyper" and "vocal" as he used to be before this incident. He's still very active, but just not that dominant male active. Does that make sense or am I like being silly here?

Giving him lots of love and play as much as I can. He mostly just chills on my shoulder and pulls at my hair with his hands. That's about it for now, I think. I'm ogg to wash some of Napoleon's dishes and such.
Posted By: Lucy

Re: UPDATE! hehe - 08/08/03 04:58 PM

I think major illnesses do change them. For one, I think they learn to trust us more (or run from us because they hate their meds!). It may take some "fight" out of them, too. I don't know if that's everyone's experienced this, but I know I have.
Posted By: Karin

Re: UPDATE! hehe - 08/09/03 01:11 AM

Wonderful Shanna, thank you much for the update!

Karin
Posted By: DeXien

Re: UPDATE! hehe - 08/09/03 03:27 PM

That's great news! I was following this thread waiting for an update.. sort of went for, "He's enjoying himself too much!" to " <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/worried2.gif" alt="" /> ". I'm SO glad he's okay.. congrats for being such a great momma and bringing him back to good health!
Posted By: Devil_Bunny_Girl

Re: UPDATE! hehe - 08/09/03 05:42 PM

Thanks guys for all your support and kindness. We're still not out of the woods yet, but at least Napoleon is ALIVE, right? Right! *sigh of relief*

He was very playful this morning. That made me happy. He was his happy, bouncy self. I was glad to see him this way. He's still on his anti-infection meds, which he is still taking extremely well with his BML diet.

I'm anxiosly awaiting a Wodent Wheel that I ordered from an awesome set of people.

Also awaiting some nummy, crunchy bugs that I ordered for Nappy. Hehehe.. I am more excited about his stuff than he will be, I'm sure! <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" /> That's what makes getting stuff so much fun!

Anyway, I've gotta split for now. Hope you are all doing well. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wave.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: UPDATE! hehe - 08/09/03 06:01 PM

<img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/multi.gif" alt="" /> I love good news!! Hugs to Nappy and kudos to you for taking such good care of him <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/heartpump.gif" alt="" />
Posted By: Devil_Bunny_Girl

One...Final Update... - 08/15/03 04:16 AM

Well, when I thought everything was going good, I suppose I was wrong.

Napoleon appeared to be on the healing streak. He was healing up nicely, the vet was certain he was going to be OK -- all his tests were clean....

And, tonight... as I went to play with him... I opened up his pouch to find Napoleon in an eternal sleep. His little body is so cold. He looks so peaceful.

I don't know what to say really. Thanks for caring about a little booger like Napoleon. I'm really going to miss him.

I'll always love my little Angel...

<img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/gliderangel.gif" alt="" />
Posted By: Gliderbuff

Re: One...Final Update... - 08/15/03 04:27 AM

I'm so very very sorry.....we all mourn your loss. How terrible. It's not your fault. You did everything you could. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/frown.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/crying.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/crying.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/upset.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/gliderangel.gif" alt="" />

Gliderbuff
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: One...Final Update... - 08/15/03 04:32 AM

Oh Shanna I'm so sorry for your loss!!! I'm not too far from you, and if things go the way they are looking with my pair, once I get a joey oop and weaned you have first dibs on it! ((((((((((Big Hugs))))))))))))))) It's so sad to lose a pet, but I'm sure he's in a Heavenly forest full of all the bugs and manna he wants, playing with the rest of the gliders who have moved into Heaven before. I know words can't help, but I am sorry, things were looking up, and you're such a good glider momma... <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/crying.gif" alt="" />
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: One...Final Update... - 08/15/03 05:01 AM

I am so sorry to hear that Napolean didn't make it. My thoughts are with you. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/heartpump.gif" alt="" />
Posted By: Judie

Re: One...Final Update... - 08/15/03 07:01 AM

This is such sad news. I really felt little Nappy was going to pull through.

Prayers of comfort coming your way. May Nappy rest in peace. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/frostyangel.gif" alt="" />
Posted By: DeXien

Re: One...Final Update... - 08/15/03 09:34 AM

Oh Shanna.... I am so sorry to have to read that. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/frown.gif" alt="" />
I really was pulling for the little guy, and was so pleased when I read that he seemed to be perking up...
May he rest in peace, and that your heart will heal. (((((((HUG))))))) Know we're all here for you..
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: One...Final Update... - 08/15/03 11:30 AM

I am so sorry for your loss. He is now at peace <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/gliderangel.gif" alt="" />
Posted By: Sugar_Mama

Re: One...Final Update... - 08/15/03 12:06 PM

I'm so sorry to hear that you lost your little guy. You did everything you could...it was just his time to move on to a much better place. Sympathy, prayers and hugs coming your way. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/heartpump.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/heartpump.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/heartpump.gif" alt="" />
Posted By: Karin

Re: One...Final Update... - 08/15/03 12:07 PM

I am so sorry Shanna, you are a great glider mom, and Nappy new it! May your heart heal with time.

Karin
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: One...Final Update... - 08/15/03 02:19 PM

No one could have done more or tried harder to save Nappy. Yor are a great glider mom and Nappy knew it.

Though it is very sad news, thank you for sharing. I am truly sorry for your loss.
Lisa
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: One...Final Update... - 08/15/03 02:56 PM

I am so sorry for you. My heart broke when I read your final update. Napoleon knew you did everything that you could do and that you loved him. My heart, my sympathy, and my prayers go out to you.
Kelly
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: One...Final Update... - 08/15/03 03:20 PM

<img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/heartpump.gif" alt="" /> I'm so terribly sorry.....
Posted By: KattyM

Re: One...Final Update... - 08/15/03 09:49 PM

How terribly sorry we are to hear of your loss. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/crying.gif" alt="" /> We're praying your heart will heal quicklyh. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/heartpump.gif" alt="" />
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: One...Final Update... - 08/16/03 12:18 PM

AWwwww.... I am so sorry!

Just know he will be waiting for you at the Rainbow Bridge <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/heartpump.gif" alt="" />
Posted By: Devil_Bunny_Girl

Re: One...Final Update... - 08/16/03 02:06 PM

I really appreciate all of the responses I've gotten. Thank you very much. Even though it may not seem like it, in some odd worldly way, the kindness and care that you all have shows has somehow lifted the stress off of me some, making this all easier to handle. Thanks for everything.
Posted By: Xfilefan

Re: One...Final Update... - 08/16/03 02:10 PM

Shanna, I'm so sorry to hear about Napoleon. I hoped he was going to make it. He'll be waiting for you at the Rainbow Bridge. You have my #-call if you need to talk.
Posted By: DeXien

Re: One...Final Update... - 08/17/03 11:16 AM

Shanna.. I know it may be a bit soon, but I do hope you consider Sassymom97's wonderful offer.. It's always so hard when a Glider passes on, but there will be a little one soon who'll need a great home and a good, loving momma. You fit that description to a tee! Sometimes, people feel like they are 'abandoning' their passed animals.. but I'm sure Nappy would be so keen on you being happy again..

"I'm not too far from you, and if things go the way they are looking with my pair, once I get a joey oop and weaned you have first dibs on it"

I have also to add, Sassymom, that's SUCH a nice thing for you to offer to do. Respect. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/yelclap.gif" alt="" />
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