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Rejected Joey, Still PINK WHAT DO I DO?

Posted By: Anonymous

Rejected Joey, Still PINK WHAT DO I DO? - 08/08/08 02:20 AM

I have a Joey that is still pink, and OOP. I don't know what to do. And i'm scared. The Mommy doesn't even care, she just walks past as if nothing was even there.
Posted By: Ellen

Re: Rejected Joey, Still PINK WHAT DO I DO? - 08/08/08 02:25 AM

It could be something is wrong with the Joey. Try and put it back with Mama.

I hope someone will come along to really help you.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Rejected Joey, Still PINK WHAT DO I DO? - 08/08/08 02:27 AM

I keep trying but i don't want the joey to get cold. i don't know if there is anything i can feed it, or even if it has a fighting chance.
Posted By: pappy1264

Re: Rejected Joey, Still PINK WHAT DO I DO? - 08/08/08 02:28 AM

Try to see if you put it in with her, if she will take care of it. If not, you need to get it wrapped up in fleece and put it in your shirt to keep it warm. You will need to feed it if she will not. Let me get Suz' page for handraising, as you will need it. Does it have any fuzz on it at all (are they normal greys? Can you see any grey at all?)
Posted By: Ellen

Re: Rejected Joey, Still PINK WHAT DO I DO? - 08/08/08 02:29 AM

How old OOP is the glider?
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Rejected Joey, Still PINK WHAT DO I DO? - 08/08/08 02:30 AM

Get ahold of Suz.

http://www.suzsugargliders.com

She is one of the best people on this board when it comes to joeys. Her phone number is listed on her site and she says to call any time day or night.

Good Luck.
Posted By: pappy1264

Re: Rejected Joey, Still PINK WHAT DO I DO? - 08/08/08 02:31 AM

http://www.suzsugargliders.com/helpforrejectedjoeys.htm

Here it is.......
Posted By: LSardou

Re: Rejected Joey, Still PINK WHAT DO I DO? - 08/08/08 02:34 AM

Suz is out of town right now. To get you started please read the following or go to Sugarglidersuz web site. Print this out for reference.
Quick Help Guide for Rejected Joeys
If you see any symptoms of Joey Rejection, you need to immediately pull the joey from its parents and start Hand Raising. For complete, specific information, please go to my page about Hand Raising A Joey; however, for quick, how-to-start information, this page will get you going...
Signs of rejection include, but are not limited to:
• Joey found left alone in nest by both parents for more than 10-15 minutes at a time
• Joey crying a lot with neither parent responding to the joey's cries
• Joey trying to crawl out of the nesting area (before 4-5 weeks out of pouch)
• Joey found alone and cold outside of the nesting area
• Joey found alone in a different nesting area from where parents are located
• Joey found on cage bottom
• Joey found dehydrated
• Joey found with bite and/or scratch marks anywhere on body or face
• Mother repeatedly pushing the joey away when attempting to nurse
• Joey being repeatedly hissed and/or crabbed at by the mother when trying to nurse
Checking for Dehydration
The first thing you need to do is to find out if the joey is dehydrated at all. To check for dehydration, simply gently pull up the skin above the shoulder blades. If the skin stays "tented" up for longer than a few seconds, then the joey is dehydrated. The longer it stays tented, the more severe the dehydration. If severely dehydrated, immediately bring the joey to a vet for immediate sub-q (sub-cutaneous) injection. If only slightly dehydrated immediately start giving the joey Pedialyte (apple or unflavored) every hour for next 6 hours or until rehydrated. If not rehydrated within that time, then vet care will be needed.
How to Feed the Joey
To prevent aspiration into the lungs, it is important to follow these steps:
• wrap the joey in a warm cloth, like a burrito (just must be warm or it will not eat)
• hold the joey so the head is towards the ceiling and the tail is towards the floor (parallel with the wall)
• only apply formula to the tip of the joey's lips, never open the mouth to place formula inside the mouth
• place one drop of formula on the joey's lips at a time, wait for the joey to lap* it up, then place another drop on the lips
* Most rejected joeys do not know how to lap to get their food, they are used to suckling. You may need to put a drop of formula on the joey's lips, then gently rub the tip of the joey's nose with your fingertip until the joey licks. You may need to repeat this process a few times until the joey gets the idea.
What Do You Need for Feeding the Joey?
If the joey is under two weeks out of pouch (oop), you will need to make my Joey Formula. You will need the following ingredients:
• Brisky's Booster Milk -OR- Wombaroo Possum Milk Replacer -OR- Puppy* Formula (preferably Esbilac, if available)
• Gliderade -OR- Lorikeet Nectar (you can skip this ingredient if you don't have it available)
• Pedialyte or Liquilyte (apple or unflavored)
• Baby Cereal (any variety)
Mix these ingredients together according to my Joey Formula Recipe.
To administer the formula, you will need:
o A needleless syringe (0.5 or 1.0 cc's)
o PLUS a #5FR Feeding Catheter (if available)
o -OR- A small Pet-Ag Kitten feeding bottle with nipple
* Do NOT use Kitten Formula, it is too high in lactose and young joeys are lactose intolerant. Bloating and other issues can be caused by high-lactose products.
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If the joey is older than two weeks oop, you can use Joey BML (no wheat germ) to feed it. I recommend gradually weaning them onto it over the course of 4 days to avoid bloating:
• Day 1: 25% Baby BML, 75% Pedialyte
• Day 2: 50% Baby BML, 50% Pedialyte
• Day 3: 75% Baby BML, 25% Pedialyte
• Day 4: 100% Baby BML



Feeding Reference Guide
Age of Joey: Amount to Feed: Frequency:
Newly oop ~ 2 weeks oop 0.3 - 0.5 cc's Every 1 - 2 hours
2 weeks oop ~ 4 weeks oop 0.5 - 1.0 cc's Every 2 - 3 hours
4 weeks oop ~ 6 weeks oop 1.0 - 2.0 cc's Every 3 - 4 hours
6 weeks oop ~ 8 weeks oop 2.0 - 4.0 cc's **
**note that at this age, the joey should be able to start eating from a bowl and should already be started on the weaning process. For more information about this, please go to This Information.
Stimulating the Joey
You may need to stimulate joey to go potty:
• Gently rub the joey's cloaca with a moist q-tip for 10-15 seconds.
• Joey's urine will be clear so may not be noticeable unless it urinates a LOT.
• Joey may not defecate for the first 24 hours after being switched to formula - this is normal and not of concern. However, much longer than that may indicate a blockage, in which case veterinary care would be needed.
• Feces will be bright orange/yellow in color and will be soft and unformed. This is normal; however, if watery at all, then immediate vet care is needed.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Rejected Joey, Still PINK WHAT DO I DO? - 08/08/08 02:35 AM

Please note, if you have a Rejected Joey Emergency and need immediate assistance, I am available 24/7 for these situations. Please call my home phone first at 440-953-0904 - if you get the machine, please leave a message. Then, try my cell phone at 440-520-4799. Sometimes I am out of range of either phone. If you leave a message stating that it's an emergency, I will return your call as soon as possible.

I copyed this from Suz's site hope it is ok.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Rejected Joey, Still PINK WHAT DO I DO? - 08/08/08 02:36 AM

I called Totty and left a message. She is home sick so I don't know.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Rejected Joey, Still PINK WHAT DO I DO? - 08/08/08 02:37 AM

The joey is still pink not due for 3 more weeks. And i live in Canada
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Rejected Joey, Still PINK WHAT DO I DO? - 08/08/08 02:39 AM

And the mother and father are both greys.
Posted By: pappy1264

Re: Rejected Joey, Still PINK WHAT DO I DO? - 08/08/08 02:39 AM

Oh, that is pretty young. I believe Suz has raised some that young, but it is tough. Prayers going out, hopefully someone is close and can help.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Rejected Joey, Still PINK WHAT DO I DO? - 08/08/08 02:42 AM

well it's almost 11 pm where i am... and not stores are open. I don't know if there is anything i can feed it. I just tried putting it back in with the mother. she lick it.. but then left. does anyone know if i can feed it something like normal milk?
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Rejected Joey, Still PINK WHAT DO I DO? - 08/08/08 02:43 AM

is this their first joey? if so she may not know what to do to take care of the joey.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Rejected Joey, Still PINK WHAT DO I DO? - 08/08/08 02:44 AM

no normal milk will not work at all.
Posted By: pappy1264

Re: Rejected Joey, Still PINK WHAT DO I DO? - 08/08/08 02:46 AM

Can you try to hold it up to her pouch and see if she will allow you to try to get it on a nipple to nurse? I don't have experience, just trying to think of some ideas here.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Rejected Joey, Still PINK WHAT DO I DO? - 08/08/08 02:47 AM

Yes this is there first joey. and if normal milk wil not work. is there anything at all? Some corner stores are open but thats it. and i tired the emerg vet but they didn't even know what a sugar glider was.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Rejected Joey, Still PINK WHAT DO I DO? - 08/08/08 02:48 AM

well when she was licking the joey, it was close to her pouch but nothing happened. She just dropped it, and that was it.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Rejected Joey, Still PINK WHAT DO I DO? - 08/08/08 02:49 AM

vet will have caned or powder puppy milk.

kitten milk will not work.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Rejected Joey, Still PINK WHAT DO I DO? - 08/08/08 02:50 AM

i can get any puppy milk. There only open for another hour, and it will take me longer then that to drive there.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Rejected Joey, Still PINK WHAT DO I DO? - 08/08/08 02:51 AM

I meant can't sorry
Posted By: LSardou

Re: Rejected Joey, Still PINK WHAT DO I DO? - 08/08/08 02:53 AM

Do you have any of the following listed?

What Do You Need for Feeding the Joey?
If the joey is under two weeks out of pouch (oop), you will need to make my Joey Formula. You will need the following ingredients:
• Brisky's Booster Milk -OR- Wombaroo Possum Milk Replacer -OR- Puppy* Formula (preferably Esbilac, if available)
• Gliderade -OR- Lorikeet Nectar (you can skip this ingredient if you don't have it available)
• Pedialyte or Liquilyte (apple or unflavored)
• Baby Cereal (any variety)
Mix these ingredients together according to my Joey Formula Recipe.
To administer the formula, you will need:
o A needleless syringe (0.5 or 1.0 cc's)
o PLUS a #5FR Feeding Catheter (if available)
o -OR- A small Pet-Ag Kitten feeding bottle with nipple
* Do NOT use Kitten Formula, it is too high in lactose and young joeys are lactose intolerant. Bloating and other issues can be caused by high-lactose products.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Rejected Joey, Still PINK WHAT DO I DO? - 08/08/08 02:55 AM

I don't have any of thoughs things. I think i might have baby cookies. Umm i have have yougrt. would it be able to eat that?
Posted By: LSardou

Re: Rejected Joey, Still PINK WHAT DO I DO? - 08/08/08 02:57 AM

Can you get to the local drug store or grocery store..they sell Pedialyte there, even Gatorade will work for now.
Posted By: sugarlope

Re: Rejected Joey, Still PINK WHAT DO I DO? - 08/08/08 02:57 AM

Do you have a 24 hour Wal-Mart type of store near you? A lot of places carry puppy milk.

If you hold the joey up to mom's pouch, will it try to latch on? If it latches on, I wonder if mom would let it nurse.

I am so sorry that you are going through this. I wish there was more that we could do to help. hug2
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Rejected Joey, Still PINK WHAT DO I DO? - 08/08/08 02:59 AM

I am so sorry I can not help you. I will keep you in my thoughts and please keep us updated.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Rejected Joey, Still PINK WHAT DO I DO? - 08/08/08 03:00 AM

I can go see. Umm what type of gatorade?
Posted By: JMM331

Re: Rejected Joey, Still PINK WHAT DO I DO? - 08/08/08 03:00 AM

Probably the best thing you can do until you can get the puppy formula is Pedialyte at least until you can get the other ingredients to make formula...At least then you can keep him/her hydrated
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Rejected Joey, Still PINK WHAT DO I DO? - 08/08/08 03:01 AM

Please don't be sorry. I just need some help, or direction
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Rejected Joey, Still PINK WHAT DO I DO? - 08/08/08 03:03 AM

I've gotten more help then i thought i would. I wasn't even ure if anyone would say anything.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Rejected Joey, Still PINK WHAT DO I DO? - 08/08/08 03:06 AM

well i'll be right back. i'm going to go down the street and see what i can get at the store.
Posted By: LSardou

Re: Rejected Joey, Still PINK WHAT DO I DO? - 08/08/08 03:06 AM

Originally Posted By: Spot
I can go see. Umm what type of gatorade?


Any flavor will be alright.
Are you keeping the joey warm?

We care, so please just know that we are right there with you.....
Posted By: SweetGliders

Re: Rejected Joey, Still PINK WHAT DO I DO? - 08/08/08 03:17 AM

Hi Spot,
You need to go to WalMart and pickup an eye dropper from the pharmacy or baby area. Then go to the baby food area and get some Pedialyte (either clear or apple flavored). Then go over to the pet's area you need to pick up the puppy powder formula. Go home and mix it together. 1 tsp puppy milk replacement powder and 3 tsp of pedialyte. you will need to dropper the baby 1 drop at a time. Get the baby warm cold babies will not eat. Pinky babies are very hard to have survive but it can happen. Call me if you need more help. 918-639-0593.

Sending prayers your way.

Anita heart
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Rejected Joey, Still PINK WHAT DO I DO? - 08/08/08 03:20 AM

Anita she went to try and find puppy milk. she has no wal-mart.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Rejected Joey, Still PINK WHAT DO I DO? - 08/08/08 03:31 AM

hey guys, i just got back from the store..... and i was to late...... :'(
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Rejected Joey, Still PINK WHAT DO I DO? - 08/08/08 03:34 AM

Thank you for everyones help. And now i know what i can do, and what i need to be prepared for in the future to come.
Posted By: JMM331

Re: Rejected Joey, Still PINK WHAT DO I DO? - 08/08/08 03:38 AM

I am sorry that your little one didn't make it. Sending you lots of hugs hug2
Posted By: LSardou

Re: Rejected Joey, Still PINK WHAT DO I DO? - 08/08/08 03:40 AM

I am so sorry hug2..... Thank you for caring and working so hard for her. Many blessings and prayers being sent your way.
Godspeed sweet little angel gangel
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Rejected Joey, Still PINK WHAT DO I DO? - 08/08/08 03:55 AM

I am so sorry I just went through this same ordeal a last month and I had talked to Sue. The advice she gave me was that maybe something was wrong the baby and you know animal parents know when things are not right. You never know she might start taking care of him or maybe not. The only thing you can really do at this point is leave it up to mom and nature. My prayers are with you I know what it is to feel so helpless.

Frances

glider mama
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Rejected Joey, Still PINK WHAT DO I DO? - 08/08/08 04:09 AM

is there any updates on this baby?

Glider mama
Posted By: SweetGliders

Re: Rejected Joey, Still PINK WHAT DO I DO? - 08/08/08 04:21 AM

I am so sorry Spot for the loss of the little one. Sending healing prayers & huggs your way.

Anita heart
Posted By: Judie

Re: Rejected Joey, Still PINK WHAT DO I DO? - 08/10/08 01:06 AM

I am so sorry for your loss of the wee one. cry

Babies that are pink usually indicate that the baby is premature and should not be out of the mother's pouch. For some reason or another the wee one was pulled out. Usually this is seen when a female with joey is in a trio situation.

Only advise I could possibly have given you would have been.... warm the wee one first and then try to put it back into the mother's pouch and wait to see if it would be able to latch on to a nipple.

Parents will rebreed and start over. heart
Posted By: sugarglidersuz

Re: Rejected Joey, Still PINK WHAT DO I DO? - 08/11/08 03:10 PM

Spot, I'm so sorry that the little one did not make it cry I was out of town and without internet access. Sadly, if you left a message on my cell phone, I have been unable to retrieve messages due to a provider mess-up frown
Unfortunately, as Judie has already said, when joeys come out of pouch prematurely and are still pink, it is usually in a trio situation or that there is something wrong with the joey to begin with. The parents instinctively know when their joeys are not healthy and their "survival of the fittest" instincts prevail. As humans, we want to try to save any life, no matter how small, but sometimes it is just beyond our control and abilities. Know that my thoughts and prayers are with you as you grieve hug2
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