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#1006860 - 09/19/10 08:15 PM Bonded Gliders - Can they be separted?
Srlb Offline
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So lets get serious...we all know that we bond with our gliders and our gliders bond with us... we have often times told people that once you have them it is not wise to ever rehome them as it will lead to depression and other issues. But is this really true? How many times have we taken in a rescue glider or had to rehome some of our own and there were no ill effects.

What about the bonding with each other? We stress over and over again that once a pair is together and they are bonded to never separate them. When we hear about people separating pairs and we go insane for someone to even consider splitting up a pair that have been together for more than a year or more...

So what are your thoughts, can a pair be separated and have life go on? Can they be rehomed and not have any bad effects??

Fact or Fiction??
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#1006874 - 09/19/10 09:03 PM Re: Bonded Gliders - Can they be separted? [Re: Srlb]
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Though I may not be as credible as some others on this forum, I feel that they CAN be separated with no ill effects but ONLY if the necessary steps are taken.

You made a great example with the rescue statement. As long as we give them love, rehoming might not be such a bad thing if it's a necessity. As long as the home they go to will shower them with love and undestanding, I don't see why they wouldn't be alright.

As for separating a pair. I guess my only concern would be are the two being separated going to be paired with another glider? After the proper introductions, I don't see why you couldn't split up a bonded pair as long as they were paired with other gliders...

I'm sure someone with much more to input will come along though.
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#1006878 - 09/19/10 09:14 PM Re: Bonded Gliders - Can they be separted? [Re: B3N]
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People split up bonded pairs all the time if they are fighting and can not get along and they end up finding them new partners or they end up being single gliders in a cage. Because they do not want to be housed with anyone.

I think it all depends on the glider and it's personality. I think you can also re-home gliders if they are going to a loving home where they will be spoiled. Things happen that are out of our control sometimes and if it is the best interest of the gliders I say they can be given to a new caring home. At first they will miss you and be upset and depressed but they will learn to love their new home and family. Just like they learned to love us when they came to us from a breeder or friend.

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#1006918 - 09/19/10 10:12 PM Re: Bonded Gliders - Can they be separted? [Re: Srlb]
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I agree with Amy. If they're fighting and you've tried everything else, you have no choice but to separate them.

I recently had to separate a 18 mo old son from his parents. He was extremely food aggressive, no matter how many bowls were in the cage, where they were place, how much food there was, etc. I hated doing it but the parents had begun to lose weight.

I had another trio that had gotten along for 3 years. Suddenly, one of the girls began to become aggressive towards the other two, chasing them not only from food dishes, but from the wheels, other toys and from the six pouches I had in the cage. I had to separate her as well.

After just a couple of weeks of switching pouches and having cages 8" apart, I did a supervised intro. He crawled into her pouch and she immediately began grooming him. They're getting along beautifully. No aggression in any form. They're obviously much happier than where they were. Their previous cage mates seem to be doing just fine as well.

I've had rescues come in and be absolutely sweet and cuddly. When I re-homed them, they were just as sweet and cuddly with their new owners.

When I was fairly new to gliders, I had given my mom a couple. Due to a sad accident, she lost both of them. I "loaned" her one of my single gliders, who knew no strangers and willingly and happily went to anyone who wanted to hold him. Once she got two more gliders, I took back my "loaner" glider. The once friendly and secure glider, had now become shy and scared.

Think about when we get gliders from breeders or other people. I've recently gotten two gliders who were totally sweet and cuddly with the breeders but were scared when they got to me. Within the first week tho, they began to bond with me.

Like Amy says, I think a lot of it depends on the individual personality of each glider.
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#1006934 - 09/19/10 10:31 PM Re: Bonded Gliders - Can they be separted? [Re: Srlb]
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My experiences...

Toffee is the little rescue that Anita's vet saved from being put down, amputated his arm and called Anita. I agreed to pick him up from Anita since I'm at home all the time and he'd just had the amputation. Heather was living here with me at the time and she totally fell in love with Toffee. He gave her licky kisses all the time, was a total bra baby for him. He was introduced and paired up with Zoe (a little bra baby girl from Brandy). Then Heather moved out leaving them behind.

Toffee became a DEMON towards me AND Joe. He was so upset that Heather left him that he would draw blood if given a chance. He blamed me and Joe for Heather leaving. They now live with a new mom (Brenda)and they adore HER.

My current situation...Everest, Sierra and their just over 1 yr old son. Everest and Sierra both ended up with wounds and all three are now in seperate cages. Tank is DEVISTATED. He is not sleeping like normal. He is choosing his wheel over any type of pouch I put in the cage. He is obviously tripping out over being seperated from his parents. Everest and Sierra's cages are side by side in another room so I can hopefully get them reintroduced after both heal. I'm afraid that Tank won't last that long without a new companion so I'm going to try some introductions with some of the other single gliders here and see if we can make a match.

Yes, I do believe with SOME gliders, being seperated from their owners can have very bad effects on them. I believe with most gliders, being seperated from their mates (ones where they don't squabble, or fight, truly bonded pairs) can cause extreme distress too. I watched Sebastian cry for months after Whisper died. He never would accept another cage mate.

And Peggy...do you really think Baybe would have been alright without Bourbon?
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#1006943 - 09/19/10 11:02 PM Re: Bonded Gliders - Can they be separted? [Re: Srlb]
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peg, you've been asking alot of really good ??'s to several different topics!are you getting ready to start a new book?
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#1006955 - 09/19/10 11:31 PM Re: Bonded Gliders - Can they be separted? [Re: Srlb]
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Originally Posted By: Srlb
So lets get serious...we all know that we bond with our gliders and our gliders bond with us... we have often times told people that once you have them it is not wise to ever rehome them as it will lead to depression and other issues. But is this really true? How many times have we taken in a rescue glider or had to rehome some of our own and there were no ill effects.

Miss Peggy, as you know I recently had to rehome a few gliders. Due to a mating wound and being alone for two of them (Oliver and Olivia), Olivia cannot be put with another glider because of her scarring. Due to life circumstances, I did not spend much time lately with them nor do I suddenly have a "way" to care for them the way I always have in the past. So far, they seem fine. Time will tell.

You know I've taken in many rescues and have rescued gliders on my own. ALL did just fine except one. I think she missed her mama and daddy deeply. She came to me sick and had been alone for 8 1/2 years. She seemed to bond instantly to me and I love her so much. I lost her months later though. The necropsy said it was due to bad diet all her life (liver, etc., disease) but I can't help but wonder. She only wanted to be on me, in my bra just about 24/7. I think she was very depressed. This was Kiwi.

However, none of the others seemed to show any of the problems Kiwi did and did just fine, they died of old age basically but I know their past caught up with them. (bad diet, serious injuries and amputations..also coming from mill breeders)


What about the bonding with each other? We stress over and over again that once a pair is together and they are bonded to never separate them. When we hear about people separating pairs and we go insane for someone to even consider splitting up a pair that have been together for more than a year or more...

I used to stress that and still do to a point. However, there ARE times when we MUST seperate bonded gliders as in a serious mating wound or illness. I would NEVER even consider seperating a bonded pair or family for the purpose of breeding, selling or any other reason whatsoever.

So what are your thoughts, can a pair be separated and have life go on? Can they be rehomed and not have any bad effects??

Circumstances I mentioned above are the only reasons "I" believe a bonded pair should ever be seperated. Other than that, I say NO, a bonded pair should NEVER EVER be seperated.

Fact or Fiction??
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#1007066 - 09/20/10 09:35 AM Re: Bonded Gliders - Can they be separted? [Re: SugarBlossoms]
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Thank you ALL for your responses...

Now, what if I told you there had been a study done in Australia on wild gliders. Gliders ears were tagged so they could keep track of which gliders they were watching...(this was done in a captive study)

The research I have been doing, I found some VERY interesting information from the 1999 Zoological Society of London, Printed in the United Kingdom. Author Laila M.Sadler and Simon J.Ward Department of Zoology, University of Melbourne, Victoria 3052, Australia

Such as:

Groups established with a male-biased sex ratio formed male positioning with the most alpha male having the highest testostrone level and the largest body weight.

Also, although Sugar Gliders are *considered* to be a bonding animal, staying within its group, studies have shown this may not be the case as deeply as we think it is.


It was discovered that approx 2 years after the young are born in a nesting area, the female joeys normally stay within the family unit, the male joeys are chased out and also the Father of the female joeys will then leave that nest and go find a new nest of females to breed.

So the males do not stay with the same group of females throughout their whole lives.

Out of the animals they tracked they only had one recorded incident where a Father and Son stayed together continuously, even after they left the original nest and found a new one, the son always showing co-dominance to the Father.

It had been found that if a dominant male dies and there are sons in that nest, the sons are still kicked out when they reach the proper age.

Groups that contained a number of generations of females, as daughters are sometimes philopatric.

It was also noted that a single male had more than one nest of females he would tend to in some cases.

So, I just thought it to be interesting, that we view these little ones as an animal with such a tight bond to each other, yet in the wild it has been noted to not be as *we think* it is...

Just thought I would share...
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#1007081 - 09/20/10 10:15 AM Re: Bonded Gliders - Can they be separted? [Re: Srlb]
PeanutsMommy
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Well I only have experience with the re homing aspect of this topic. My baby Sugar was a re homing I adopted her from a nasty home in FL. I got her home and she was crabby for the 30 days she was alone in a cage I could not get close to her. Then I introduced her to my other baby Peanut and she did a 360! She bonded with me FAST we are talking about a week tops and she just loves me to death. She also bonded with Peanut very fast. They are the best of friends now and I would never separate them. I had no ill effects, BUT every glider baby is different and they could always react different!! jump mlove

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#1007095 - 09/20/10 10:57 AM Re: Bonded Gliders - Can they be separted? [Re: Srlb]
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I know first hand how depressed a glider can be after losing their family. My Nicky went from being an active, curious, outgoing little guy to one who was scared to get more than 3 feet from me after his cagemates passed away. He knew there were other gliders in the house, yet he refused to bond with any until I rescued Meeko.

I would have to say, that separating bonded pairs would depend on how deeply the gliders cared for and depended upon each other because I would never willingly put a glider through what my Nicky went through unless their health required a separation.
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#1007096 - 09/20/10 11:01 AM Re: Bonded Gliders - Can they be separted? [Re: Srlb]
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That is an interesting study but.......

They studied intact males. Do neutered males in that same situation "nest hop" (just for a fun term).

They studied "captive" gliders but how large were the enclosures these gliders were in? How many were in the enclosure? How many males, how many females? How long was the study conducted?

We've all said time and time again that our domestic gliders here in the states ARE different than their wild (or semi-wild captive) counter parts in Australia. The generations of breeding here in the states have changed the gliders, if only marginally.

There are times when we have to seperate gliders due to illness, injury or the gliders just seem to really want a divorce (constant fighting and bickering). Most often the gliders adjust and go on with their lives but there are those that just whither away.

Also, in the study, the seperations were the glider's choice. They also had the choice to stay.

Wolves generally mate for life but there are times when the alpha female or alpha male decides to leave.
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#1007113 - 09/20/10 11:58 AM Re: Bonded Gliders - Can they be separted? [Re: Dancing]
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Teresa, you make it sound like I am going to go around telling everyone to start doing a cage change with their males every 2 years!! roflmao

I know that isnt what you are trying to come across with, just made me chuckle.

Anyway, I find it very interesting this study that has taken place.

The Study was conducted over a 3 year period (1994-1996)in 3 disjunct eucalypt forests in south-eastern Australia.

Quote:
Also, in the study, the seperations were the glider's choice. They also had the choice to stay.


Good point, because by us keeping them in a smaller cage, we are not giving them the choice they would have if they were not with us. Therefore, are we *forcing* them to remain bonded?
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#1007128 - 09/20/10 12:21 PM Re: Bonded Gliders - Can they be separted? [Re: Srlb]
Karen523
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I only know that when I had to separate my intact male leu (Cisco)from my female mo,(Rosie), due to a mating wound, he started showing signs of depression. He became crabby toward me and bit me and my husband whenever we would try to hold him. He became very un-playful, and isolated himself in his pouch most of the time.
He was also very crabby toward Rosie during their nightly (supervised) play time. When the wound was healed up, I put them back together and within a week or so, Cisco was back to his old self again.
This happened twice so I was considering having him neutered.
I have since learned to prevent mating wounds so we don't have this problem any more.

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#1007135 - 09/20/10 12:40 PM Re: Bonded Gliders - Can they be separted? [Re: Srlb]
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Not at all Peggy. But by the same token, your post makes it almost seem like swapping gliders around is perfectly ok too.

With the gliders I've had here, the majority want to stay with the cage mates they have and have very "down" reactions to seperations.

I don't know about other people's gliders or wild/semi-wild gliders. I can only go off of my own experiences with the gliders I've had through here.

Most of my pairs get really stressed if they are seperated even for a night. Maybe by "forcing" them to bond, we cause that bond becomes much stronger than it would if they had choices. But that bond is still there and still very strong none the less.

I just don't want anyone to take that study or this thread as "license" to start swapping out gliders just to produce the colors they want to get (we KNOW breeders that do just that) without due consideration to the emotional well being of the gliders.
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#1007162 - 09/20/10 02:06 PM Re: Bonded Gliders - Can they be separted? [Re: Dancing]
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Nope, swapping gliders in not perfectly ok.

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I can only go off of my own experiences with the gliders I've had through here.


That is what each of us have to do. But for how long had we read if we rehome a glider or if we separate them you are running the risk or death or self mutilation. Both have been stated in the past.

As for the depression, maybe if a pair was split up and one was left alone, I can see the depression setting in, but does it really if there are other gliders present?
Sure maybe for a day or two, but how many have lost a glider due to separating them or rehoming?

Is it something I encourage folks to do? ABSOLUTELY not. If at all possible, keep the animal and keep the pair, but IF something DID come up and that could not be done, there shouldnt be the lash out that has happened in the past to folks.

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I just don't want anyone to take that study or this thread as "license" to start swapping out gliders just to produce the colors they want to get (we KNOW breeders that do just that) without due consideration to the emotional well being of the gliders.


I absolutely agree with you on this and this is NOT what this thread was started for. thumb
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#1007174 - 09/20/10 02:32 PM Re: Bonded Gliders - Can they be separted? [Re: Srlb]
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Makes you wonder if our gliders were given the chance, would they pick the same mate on their own? NO I am not advocating that we let them all loose in the tent to pick their own mate, but it would be an interesting concept. We match them up for colors or lineage and hope they will like each other. So far I have had only one female that did not want to be a Mama and is now very happy with another female. Her mate will be with 2 females when they reach maturity. They interact well with each other now in cages next to one another, so I am hopeful that it will work out for all involved. As far as re homing, I too believe it can be done with proper care. I know my Mshki would be devastated anywhere else but with me because he thinks I'm his Mama. All of my joeys are handled as soon as they are oop so they are used to being with humans and none of them have had any issues with adjusting to a new owner. The rescues I have taken in & re homed have all done well too, but I take the time to get them comfortable and then really screen the new home. I do think it's possible for some gliders to move on with a new owner under certain circumstances & with proper care for their feelings.
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#1007182 - 09/20/10 02:50 PM Re: Bonded Gliders - Can they be separted? [Re: Srlb]
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I think it is important to emphasize here that just because a glider *can* live through an event, does not mean that they should have to. The majority of gliders probably can and do survive being re-homed and/or rescued several times in their lives. But should a glider have a new family every 6 months to a year? I sure hope not! I think that is where the emphasis on risks for self-mutilation and depression comes from - to make a new owner think twice before handing over the not-so-cool-anymore pet to just anyone on craigslist or want ads.

Peggy, the way you describe the colony kicking out the mature male joeys is very similar to the wild mustang and other group mammals.

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#1007191 - 09/20/10 03:25 PM Re: Bonded Gliders - Can they be separted? [Re: ]
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I bought a bonded breeding pair and they arrived with a joey IP. After a month, the joey was pulled and the female never became pregnant again. She was super crabby after the joey incident and really upset. For better or worse (better as it turns out) I decided to get him another mate and moved her in with her brother and another neutered male. She rarely ever crabs and he seems just peachy with his new girl although she isn't getting pregnant either. I think like most questions posed on here, it depends on the glider. I agree that swapping on a constant basis seems unreasonable but circumstances may warrant a change, I think.

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#1007283 - 09/20/10 06:22 PM Re: Bonded Gliders - Can they be separted? [Re: Srlb]
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Peggy, males in the wild are usually "kicked" out of the nest at app. 7 mos. of age.

Knowing the alpha male doesn't mate with "family" other than his "wife", people have asked me many times over the years 'why would they do it in captivity then?'

Good question. Being caged where the females can't get away, hide or the alpha female doesn't get to put a stop persay to the permiscuous (lol) behavior of her hubby, the females have nowhere to run to.

Caging animals and attempting to domesticate them does cause many problems that would not normally ever be seen otherwise.
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#1007353 - 09/20/10 08:31 PM Re: Bonded Gliders - Can they be separted? [Re: SugarBlossoms]
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Peggy, males in the wild are usually "kicked" out of the nest at app. 7 mos. of age.


According to this study Bridget, males can stay within the family unit up until 2 years of age before finally being either *kicked out* or *recruited* by a nest of females.

Very interesting responses...I so love these kinds of discussions grin
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#1007370 - 09/20/10 09:06 PM Re: Bonded Gliders - Can they be separted? [Re: Srlb]
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Our gliders in the states are domesticated, not wild, they really dont even look like the wild ones. I too beleive it depends on the glider. Jasmine greived herself (and finally passed herself) after Moby died, they had been together for 7 years. Neither really bonded to me in their 2+ years of living here nor did they want to. They were very bonded to their previous owners. When Gitzys mate died she was sent here to live with me. She was almost 3, Lana had her for almost 3 years. She went on a hunger, I am not going to live strike. I HAD to syringe her HPW, she would have died had I not forced fed her. So I did that for 2 months, and oh she is so mean, still to this day. When Leo was eight weeks I gave him to her and they are inseperable. She gets very nervous and crabby if she cant see him. She has even changed colors from brownish grey to black beauty like him so I cant tell the difference at first I guess(she loves to get a nip every chance she gets).............I swear to GOD. Nick and Holly had been together for a year when she passed and It did not seem to phase him on bit, he was talking with all the other girls in the room....LOL So hes a player not a bonder! Sugar and Spencer shared no love loss when I had to seperate them, She was too busy flirting with Nick. They had been together for a year and a half. Spencer thinks I am his..LOL
Now bonding closely with people, well thats another story but I think if I died tomorrow I would have some greiving gliders and a few that would not be phased by it. JMO based on My observations. smile


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#1007371 - 09/20/10 09:06 PM Re: Bonded Gliders - Can they be separted? [Re: Srlb]
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Knowing the alpha male doesn't mate with "family" other than his "wife", people have asked me many times over the years 'why would they do it in captivity then?'


Just how do we KNOW that isn't happening? Have dna tests been done on wild gliders?
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#1007410 - 09/20/10 09:59 PM Re: Bonded Gliders - Can they be separted? [Re: Srlb]
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I would think that the process of kicking the male out, and keeping the related female group keeps the inbreeding down.

Also, I wanted to comment on the re-homing aspect of the gliders. When Preston came here, he was thrown at the airport, I grabbed him and immediately checked him over. But at that moment, he decided that he hated me. We still don't get along well, he bites me every chance he gets. I started to think he was just mean... but then my husband started playing with him... Preston LOVES Martin, and is totally mellow and sweet with him (Much to my surprise and frustration... as Preston was MY birthday present) tounge
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#1007418 - 09/20/10 10:10 PM Re: Bonded Gliders - Can they be separted? [Re: Srlb]
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#1007454 - 09/20/10 11:14 PM Re: Bonded Gliders - Can they be separted? [Re: Srlb]
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And then there is Riker...who thinks Jen IS his mate and severely over grooms when she isn't there.

I agree with it being about personality. We can't fit them into a neat little box and say "all gliders are doomed if seperated" but we can't say "all gliders will be fine if they are".

Personality and temperment of the gliders is very crutial I think. Since Reep passed, Azalea just isn't her self. Not completely. She absolutely does NOT want another cage mate, atleast not with any of the gliders I have here. But she does like having Billy and Sam next to her and she chat/flirts with them. But face to face and she attacks them.
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#1007458 - 09/20/10 11:32 PM Re: Bonded Gliders - Can they be separted? [Re: Dancing]
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Originally Posted By: Dancing
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Knowing the alpha male doesn't mate with "family" other than his "wife", people have asked me many times over the years 'why would they do it in captivity then?'


Just how do we KNOW that isn't happening? Have dna tests been done on wild gliders?


Teresa, I'm sure it DOES happen at times in nature. It is NOT the norm for it to happen though.

I read this study many years ago and did a lot of research on it, spoke directly to people in Australia that were involved in some of the studies. I lost my hard drive a couple of months ago with just about my entire life on it so I don't have the info anymore. Pockets may have access to much of it though.
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#1007461 - 09/20/10 11:40 PM Re: Bonded Gliders - Can they be separted? [Re: Dancing]
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Originally Posted By: Dancing
I agree with it being about personality. We can't fit them into a neat little box and say "all gliders are doomed if seperated" but we can't say "all gliders will be fine if they are".



Gliders as well as any animal are not much different than us humans. Some people do fine alone, some can't stand to be alone. Some people don't mind traveling, moving around and meeting new people, seeing new things. Others can't handle leaving their own homes, town or state. I believe gliders are much like us in these ways. They as us are all different with different personalities. We as their slaves need to know what signs to watch for in case they become depressed or ill from separation of eachother or us.

How many times in the news over the years have we seen where a dog has traveled hundreds even thousands of miles to track down their owner? Many more dogs do just fine with a new owner though. It's our passion for the species we love and adore "most" that makes us ask these questions, ponder over them, research and then still we don't know and will never know THE answer. IMO, there isn't any clear cut answers. It depends on the animal.
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#1007466 - 09/20/10 11:47 PM Re: Bonded Gliders - Can they be separted? [Re: Dancing]
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Originally Posted By: Dancing

Since Reep passed, Azalea just isn't her self. Not completely. She absolutely does NOT want another cage mate, atleast not with any of the gliders I have here. But she does like having Billy and Sam next to her and she chat/flirts with them. But face to face and she attacks them.



Teresa, I am so sorry about Reep. (((HUGS))) I didn't know as I have not been on much for some time now.

Mardi (Monroe's mate/sister/mother, we don't know as they were rescued from a pet shop) stopped eating when Monroe died. She lost weight and became despondent. I got scared. She REFUSED to even let any of my other girls near her. This was NOT her personality before Monroe passed. An angel sent a friend to her, Mardi fell in love immediately! Mardi and Malachi have been together with not as much as a "pssst" for almost a year now. She started eating right away, sharing her pouch and cage along with her favorite toys she had thrown aside for some time. Thank God, something "clicked" between them or we might have lost Mardi to severe depression and her heart being broke.
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#1007695 - 09/21/10 02:58 PM Re: Bonded Gliders - Can they be separted? [Re: Srlb]
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Originally Posted By: Srlb
It had been found that if a dominant male dies and there are sons in that nest, the sons are still kicked out when they reach the proper age.


That may just be a thing they learned to do to prevent inbreeding. Animals and plants over time develope traits that will do that. Like cherry trees cannot self pollinate. It may just be an evolutionary response to kick out the related male so they don't inbreed and ruin the genes and make sterlization and such eventually ending the species.

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#1028256 - 11/10/10 03:22 AM Re: Bonded Gliders - Can they be separted? [Re: Srlb]
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I don't think we should compare the gliders that we have to the wild ones in Australia.
Nor should we use the study that was done in 1999 on wild gliders to compare to our current ones. ( The ancestors to ours came 15 years ago)
They have adapted to the environment here, they've been here for way too long to compare to the wild completely (born and raised in a cage in America) I think small evolution probably happened.

Here they don't have to hunt/fight for food, we provide it. Generally the environment is different.

But that study was interesting.

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