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#101690 - 05/10/06 02:16 AM Genetic Deformities-Multiple
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I thought I would begin this thread because of our Chronos. He has several deformities that he seems to have been born with. He came to us this way, but because of certain things I will outline, we are confident this did not happen after birth. His tail we cannot tell (he is missing the last third of it, strangely enough, he is the only one of my gliders who picks up and carries toys-particularly his monkeys-with it), but his hands/feet are a different matter. Three of them are nearly useless to him for motion.

First, to look at him, unless you looked closely, you would never know anything was wrong with this glider. However-there is. He has one intact front hand, and only two nails on each back foot, that are so deformed as to be worthless for grip. I am going to post pictures as well.

Now, you might think he lost these digits due to accident or some other cause, but that is not the case, at least as far as we and our vet can determine. For one, his front right hand, that is missing the last joint and nail of EVERY toe, is fully functional. This means that all of the nerves/ligaments are attached inside-if they had been severed, this would not be the case. Plus there is absolutely no visible scar tissue.

On his back feet, there is also no sign of trauma, and the oddest part (almost) is that his outside groomer (or pinky toe) that should be fused, is separate and distinct, and grows no nail. Even stranger, is that the inside groomer grows not one nail, but has two bulbs (the end joint), and attempts to grow two deformed nails out of one toe-as if it were trying to become two. His center toe is fairly normal, except for the nail that is abnormally thick. His first toes (next to the thumb) have no nail, either. The thumbs on those feet are the only digits apparently normal in appearance and function.

What this does with him, is he has no grip-it is slightly better on fabric (fleece), but nothing else. If you are not careful holding him, he will fall off of you, and falls off the side of the cage. Placing hammocks every 6 to 8 inches from top to bottom of the cage is required to prevent extremely hard falls, and enable him to move about with some degree of normalcy. He also cannot have hard toys in the tent because he falls on them. Any pouch not made of fleece is also out, because he simply slides off.

What caused this we can only speculate-inbreeding, bad diet in the mother...the causes could be many. He is, however, the sweetest and most loving glider I have ever met. Always docile and sweet, loves attention (he will sit on your hand and just love being petted), I have never once heard him crab (not sure he knows how, lol). I have never seen or read about another glider like him-though I am certain there probably are some.

In any case, I would like to share pics of his deformed feet, and mention that gliders who have lost toes or feet for whatever reason have the same or similar limitations, so thought this might be useful to someone, with the above that we do for him. And someone might have some suggestions for us. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />

The first pic is a full body shot that includes his tail and the top view of his missing fingers.


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#101691 - 05/10/06 02:18 AM Re: Genetic Deformities-Multiple [Re: ]
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Front hand, palm


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#101692 - 05/10/06 02:19 AM Re: Genetic Deformities-Multiple [Re: ]
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Back foot, from top


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#101693 - 05/10/06 02:20 AM Re: Genetic Deformities-Multiple [Re: ]
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Back foot, bottom (and both back feet are identical)


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#101694 - 05/10/06 02:22 AM Re: Genetic Deformities-Multiple [Re: ]
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Looking at him like this...you would never know there was a problem.


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#101695 - 05/10/06 03:25 AM Re: Genetic Deformities-Multiple [Re: ]
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With the deformity in his hands, is he able to pick up his food & eat it OK or do you need to prepare his food in any special way? Also, it would be my guess that he developed his dexterity in his tail to compensate for the fact that he cannot grip things as well with his hands. I wonder if other gliders who became "handless/fingerless" later in life would develope the same skill in that area or if he was able to learn & develope the skill because he was born with that handicap.
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#101696 - 05/10/06 03:35 AM Re: Genetic Deformities-Multiple [Re: ]
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He seems to do just fine with his food...those front fingers bend and manipulate just like his other hand-they're just shorter, no nails, and not strong enough to hold his body up with. It's the strangest feeling when he hangs onto you with that hand! He also has an amazingly strong grip with it, as far as grasping and object to hold or making a fist.

I'm not sure if a glider that lost the fingers would be as dexterous...I would guess it would depend on a number of factors, including how many fingers were damaged, and the state of the nerves and tendons/ligaments inside. With time I know they adapt from injury-likely with different mechanisms, as severing tends to go thru ligaments and tendons as well, even if severed at a joint, because they run from the palm of the hand, to connect at the end of the finger or digit. That is one way the vet determined it wasn't injury in Chronos-because the nerves, tendons and ligaments are all attached, intact and functional inside.
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#101697 - 05/10/06 05:22 AM Re: Genetic Deformities-Multiple [Re: ]
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The fingers and toes look as if they were chewed off. Tail may have been shortened in the same manner. More likely when he was only a few days oop. Not uncommon for the ears to be chewed off to stumps. Mothers who do this to their babies are often stressed and proceed to overgroom their little ones. There are no scabs or open sores to bleed and no scaring developes. Tiny babies look as if they were born that way. Because the digits (along with the tail) were chewed when wee... the babies when close to weaning will learn to grip when climbing.

If you have other gliders... I am sure you have noticed... gliders who have their nails tipped with clippers learn to grip with their fingers. Once the nails grow out a bit... they then use their sharp nails again and do not grip.

I have yet to see any deformed distal extremities from carefull linebreeding. Extreme inbreeding for multi generations would be needed for deformed extremities.


Edited by Judie (05/10/06 05:51 AM)

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#101698 - 05/10/06 11:47 AM Re: Genetic Deformities-Multiple [Re: ]
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Judie, we did consider that possibility-except for one thing. Chronos technically does not have five toes on each back foot-he has SIX. the groomers are underdeveloped (two toes in one-with the doubled end and two nails), but there, and the "pinky" that is detached in the back, shouldn't be there at all. As far as I know (and two vets)..polydactyly is not a normal or common variation for a glider-and it is genetic. I was "told" he mutilated the fingers in the front himself-but we can find no evidence of it. The front hand and tail, while remotely possible they formed correctly and were damaged-that is not the case with his back feet. Because of that, the vet is comfortable short of genetic testing that the front hand is consistent more with genetic issue, than injury-though we don't discount the outside possibility in the front altogether. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />
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#101699 - 05/10/06 01:15 PM Re: Genetic Deformities-Multiple [Re: ]
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Off topic... God has and will continue to bless this little glider that has a very good family. Good luck with him.

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#101700 - 05/10/06 04:31 PM Re: Genetic Deformities-Multiple [Re: ]
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While it is possible to be Polydactyly (extra toe on each foot) in his hind feet this by no means would limit his ability to climb. On the other hand... missing toes (chewed off)will restrict some of his climbing abilities.

I do not understand why you want to say his hands and tail are deformed due to genetics. Just because he is Polydactyl does not mean he has more than one genetic inheritance.
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#101701 - 05/10/06 05:27 PM Re: Genetic Deformities-Multiple [Re: ]
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Judie, please, don't be offended. Read all of this. All I was giving was the vets' (2 of them) opinions on it. And I said from the first that his tail was a separate issue, either/or. Two quotes from my original post will support this:
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His tail we cannot tell (he is missing the last third of it, strangely enough, he is the only one of my gliders who picks up and carries toys-particularly his monkeys-with it),

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at least as far as we and our vet can determine . For one, his front right hand, that is missing the last joint and nail of EVERY toe, is fully functional. This means that all of the nerves/ligaments are attached inside-if they had been severed, this would not be the case. Plus there is absolutely no visible scar tissue.


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The thing with his back feet, is they are all Perfect-except for missing nails on the (equivalent of) index finger and extra pinky...they are completely intact and undamaged-fully formed or deformed as the case is, except for the nail. I admit that the front hand and tail might be damaged (and suggested to the vets that they could have been chewed In Pouch...but felt it responsible to point out the vet's disagreement because of the intact ligaments and tendons, which he felt would 1. not be attached if damage had occured, and 2) would show some indication of having been damaged.

(These nails (in the back) are so twisted, thick, and crooked, extending beyond the reach of any other toe he cannot hang on with them, that you would think the other toes weren't even there.)

For the record: Right front had and tail-it is POSSIBLE that is not genetic, regardless of what the vets say.

Back feet-no chance of genetic issues not being involved. It has nothing to do with what I "Want to Say"...it's what the medical evidence is indicative of. I apologize if a lot of the medical terminology is not forthcoming-I am much more versed in Self Mutilation than Genetics-but I do listen closely, and write things down, when my vets offer their opinions.

Because I am his THIRD home, I cannot find out details on his breeding or history. I only suggested possibilities for the deformities, and am open to other options.

Because of the fact that the back nails are SO deformed, and there are only TWO on each back foot, he has an extremely difficult time with his grip, in combination with the missing front fingers. His first night with us, before we realized the extent of his problem (NO info was given to us at that time, other that "he did not get along with his cagemates"-which was apparent due to wounds on his face and body from fighting)..he took TWO VERY hard falls from the top of the cage-we sewed and rigged hammocks for him on the spot. I sincerely WISH WITH ALL I HAVE that I could find out who his first owner was, to ask a whole lot of questions on his breeding and background.

The "fingers/toes" themselves are very strong, they just can't support his bodyweight (they couldn't at 105 grams, even less at 150 grams)--there are not enough of fingers, and his back toes slide off-the nails are thick and twisted. There is no calcium deficiency...he is active and playful-just has no grip. (and he has had his blood tested, and Xrays)

Hopefully this cleared up my position. I thought it responsible to report every scenario, including the vets' findings. Other than his back feet, to be clear, I will rule out nothing-but the results are the same, regarding their function, either way-they are so unuseful that they may as well almost not be there. I have watched him move, seen what he does, how he tries, and how he slips and falls. And as far as his feet, two deformed (without question), to one possibly mutilated (without knowing for sure, it can't be ruled out), would qualify, overall, as a genetic issue.
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#101702 - 05/10/06 06:32 PM Re: Genetic Deformities-Multiple [Re: ]
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Oh its Chronos What an angel. He is so gentle and sweet! Jen I didn't know he could use his tail to get his monkeys. Smart little man! <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/yelclap.gif" alt="" />


Edited by Osinn (05/10/06 06:34 PM)

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#101703 - 05/10/06 07:44 PM Re: Genetic Deformities-Multiple [Re: ]
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Just because there appears to be no sign of damage does not mean that damage has not occurred. There are three possibilities for this glider in regards to the missing last joint and they are:

Genetic, the glider was born missing the tips of his fingers and nails.

Mutilation, either by his parents, siblings, or himself. Though why only the tips are missing is beyond me.

A pervious owner may have had him declawed, either to remove dead or deformed parts of his fingers in an attempt to give more mobility, or because they wanted a glider that would not scratch. Seeing that this is a rescue I presume, then this might explain his fingers and why the last joint is missing on them. I tend to lean towards this as a strong possibility. A surgeonís scalpel might not leave any scarring. Also if you only remove the tip of your finger you still can have motion of the remaining stub. When my father was 3-4 years old he lost the end of his pinky to a lawnmower. He still has full mobility of what is left of it.

The Polydactylity is genetic; no injury on earth, or environmental change will produce extra digits. Overall this glider is a combination of genetic deformities, and misfortune.

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#101704 - 05/10/06 09:16 PM Re: Genetic Deformities-Multiple [Re: ]
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Jen, I do apologize. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/hug2.gif" alt="" /> For some reason what I wrote was not exactly what I was trying to say. Instead... Kris did it for me. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/thumb.gif" alt="" />

Anyway, your little one does have terrible foot problems and I can see why he would have great difficulty climbing a normal size cage. And yes, it would be interesting to know his lineage. Unfortunately most breeders did not keep much in records when breeding five or six years back and if from a small pet owner... usually no records at all unless they were USDA Licensed.

Your glider though is the very first I have heard that has six toes on his back feet. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/heartpump.gif" alt="" /> Reminds me of Ernest Hemingway's cats.


Edited by Judie (05/10/06 09:22 PM)
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#101705 - 09/12/06 10:54 AM Re: Genetic Deformities-Multiple [Re: ]
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Posting to keep current. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />
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#231219 - 03/09/07 03:22 AM Re: Genetic Deformities-Multiple [Re: Xfilefan]
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#231223 - 03/09/07 03:33 AM Re: Genetic Deformities-Multiple [Re: Xfilefan]
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He's a darling! How old is Chronos Jen?
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#231229 - 03/09/07 04:07 AM Re: Genetic Deformities-Multiple [Re: SugarBlossoms]
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I got him July of 2005-about a week before the SGGA-and was told he was two then. That would make him about 4 yrs. now. crazy
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#231231 - 03/09/07 04:15 AM Re: Genetic Deformities-Multiple [Re: Xfilefan]
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Awwww. smile

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#231234 - 03/09/07 04:27 AM Re: Genetic Deformities-Multiple [Re: SugarBlossoms]
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I replied. crazy
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#231237 - 03/09/07 05:23 AM Re: Genetic Deformities-Multiple [Re: Xfilefan]
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He's a little beauty! I'm so glad he has you, Jen!

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#231265 - 03/09/07 07:13 AM Re: Genetic Deformities-Multiple [Re: ]
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What a sweetheart! What's amazing to me is that he uses his tail to carry things. It was my understanding that gliders' tails don't have "prehensility", that is, they don't have the ability to grasp something like a monkey's tail, elephant's trunk, etc. It makes you wonder if it's an evolutionary throwback or something. But I'm not a scientist...
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#231268 - 03/09/07 07:28 AM Re: Genetic Deformities-Multiple [Re: mattysmom]
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Gliders tails are "semi prehensile"-they can carry light objects like bedding materials (leaves) and light toys-but they can't hang by them like an American opossum (who has a fully prehensile tail). Of my 10, he's the only one that seems to want to carry things-though I have heard of other's gliders that do carry light objects. smile
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#231273 - 03/09/07 07:52 AM Re: Genetic Deformities-Multiple [Re: Xfilefan]
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He sure is cure!...what color is he?
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#231277 - 03/09/07 08:02 AM Re: Genetic Deformities-Multiple [Re: jannee66]
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He's actually a common grey...when we got him he wasn't on a good diet, and was dirty/discolored. This pic was taken just after we got him. I suppose I should take some newer pics of him-only right now he's a little yellow on nose, hands, ears from the jaundice, but his coat is awesome. I'll see if I can do that after the vet this morning, and post some new pics. smile
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#231628 - 03/09/07 06:28 PM Re: Genetic Deformities-Multiple [Re: Xfilefan]
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He is a cutie and fortunate to have such a caring owner! off_topic How are he and Riker doing today?
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#233837 - 03/13/07 10:50 AM Re: Genetic Deformities-Multiple [Re: Mel2mdl]
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His front paw looks alot like the new glider dropped off here last night. I was told this glider had an injury on one foot. But both his front hands are curled up in a little fist like the one paw of your first picture... and he walks on the balls of his hands. He is also missing all but 3 of his front nails, he has 2 on one hand and 1 on the other.

I would love to hear how you have your cage set up for this little guy. Is he with other gliders? Do they pick on him? Can he climb well enough to get into a sleeping pouch,or does he use a nest box?

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#234458 - 03/14/07 01:50 AM Re: Genetic Deformities-Multiple [Re: ]
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Chronos falls a lot-his first night we kept hearing this THUMP! CRASH! and it took a little while to figure out that it was him hitting the floor-by the time we looked he'd already bounced off crazy

We use a series of corner hammocks for him, with one square one set just above the top of the wheel. He tends to jump from hammock to hammock-esp just after what nails he does have get trimmed. I've seen him fall and land on them. He uses a pouch fine-if not for the hammocks with him he'd fall, but with them there it's not a problem. He does have one intact front hand-the only one of his that's normal. Without either front, a nestbox on the floor might be better. If they can climb in/out of a pouch using a hammock set near the top opening, it shouldn't be out of the question though. For yours, it might be preference on the glider's part given ease of access-offer both, and see what he likes. If he can't climb, or jump up hammock to hammock, nestbox would be the way to go. If I ever manage to I'll get a pic up of his cage.

Chronos has a little girl in with him who doesn't pay any attention to his issues (one of Monster's joeys)-since he was neutered, we were able to put her in with him as a baby and never had a problem. He brings her plastic monkeys with his half tail into the pouch, lol (she gets upset, they're hard! especially when there's 18 or 20 of them in the pouch!)-then he thinks-Oh, no! She's not happy! Gotta go bring some more monkeys! roflmao , lol To him they're gifts for his girl. heart smile
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#234464 - 03/14/07 02:21 AM Re: Genetic Deformities-Multiple [Re: Xfilefan]
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Your little guy sounds so sweet! kudos on being innovative on his falling issues! He is so lucky to have found you! Good luck with him!

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