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#10209 - 09/30/03 04:21 AM Is The Aluminum Oxide Danger A Myth????
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[:"blue"] Glider Greetings: <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wave.gif" alt="" />

I can't prove it; but I don't believe that aluminum oxide is a serious health risk for gliders. I have gone back and looked at all of the posts on GC concerning aluminum oxide and they were all hearsay, third party reports or " I read somewhere" comments. There was not [:"purple"]ONE [:"blue"] authoritative or documented post that the material is toxic. Most of the comments were linked to a post by a guy named Erik who had 30 some posts at the time and his information was actually that the glue used in the sand paper was toxic and not the aluminum oxide, itself. He offered no substantiation, so we no real way to know if the assertion was correct or not.

I took a quick look at the Internet and the following from a Material Safety Data Sheet(MSDS) is typical of what I found.


</font><blockquote><font class="small">Quote:</font><hr />
Health Hazard Data
=============================================

LD50-LC50 Mixture: TLV 10 MG/M3 (TDUST), 5 MG/M3 (RDUST)
Route Of Entry - Inhalation: YES
Route Of Entry - Skin: NO
Route Of Entry - Ingestion: NO
Health Haz Acute And Chronic: ACUTE- LOW HEALTH RISK BY
INHALATION. NOT EXPECTED TO BE toxic BY INGESTION. MAY
CAUSE IRRITATION OF EYES. NOT IRRITATING TO SKIN.
CHRONIC- NONE KNOWN.
Carcinogenicity - NTP: NO
Carcinogenicity - IARC: NO
Carcinogenicity - OSHA: NO
Signs/Symptoms Of Overexp: LOW HEALTH RISK BY INHALATION.
NOT EXPECTED TO BE toxic BY INGESTION. MAY CAUSE IRRITATION
OF EYES. NOT IRRITATING TO SKIN.
Med Cond Aggravated By Exp: NONE KNOWN.
Emergency/First Aid Proc: NO EMERGENCY ACTION REQUIRED.
MAINTAIN A GOOD STANDARD OF INDUSTRIAL HYGIENE AND
HOUSEKEEPING.

<hr /></blockquote><font class="post">[:"blue"]

The above seems to suggest that aluminum oxide, in and of itself, is not much of a problem. If anyone has thoughts or information to the contrary, please share it with us.

As to the issue of the glue, that is going to require some additional research unless there is someone out there who has definitive information concerning its safety or lack thereof. And if we are looking at the safety of the glue in the sandpaper, perhaps we should be looking at the toxicity of the adhesive on the duct tape that is typically used to secure the sandpaper to the wheel. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/nixweiss.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/nixweiss.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/nixweiss.gif" alt="" />
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#10210 - 09/30/03 08:34 AM Re: Is The Aluminum Oxide Danger A Myth???? [Re: ]
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Once again you are here to look up all that science junk I hate lol... that is something worth looking into. I don't use aluminum oxide sandpaper at all not even at home .. but this would be nice ot find out so I don't worry about making a mistake.

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#10211 - 09/30/03 09:36 AM Re: Is The Aluminum Oxide Danger A Myth???? [Re: ]
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Here is the [/][:"apple"]ICSC-(International Chemical Safety Card) info for Aluminum Oxide[/][:"teal"]

Some Web sites and pages containing information on Aluminum as a neurotoxin:

[/][:"apple"]Dangers of Aluminum[/][:"teal"]
[/][:"apple"]The Neurotoxic Effects of Aluminum[/][:"teal"]
[/][:"apple"]Our Toxic World[/][:"teal"] Chapter 8: toxic heavy metals: lead, cadmium, mercury, antimony and aluminum
[/][:"apple"]Aluminum as a Toxin[/][:"teal"]
[/][:"apple"]THE UNKNOWN EQUATION[/][:"teal"]
[/][:"apple"]Department of the Planet Earth[/][:"teal"] Several aluminum related hyperlinks contained within this site!
[/][:"apple"]ALZHEIMER'S DISEASE AND THE ALUMINUM IN OUR FOOD[/][:"teal"]
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#10212 - 09/30/03 09:39 AM Re: Is The Aluminum Oxide Danger A Myth???? [Re: ]
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Registered: 09/06/01
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Loc: Sycamore Illinois
Thank you very much Randy. It appears the aluminum oxide does not pose a problem in the sandpaper used, however does anyone know if there is a warning on the paper itself? If so, what does it say?

A total assumption on my part here, but I would think many have unknowingly used the incorrect sandpaper in the wheels. Makes me wonder if this would explain some glider deaths, or the sandpaper is relatively safe. Probably an unknown answer at this time <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/frown.gif" alt="" />.

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#10213 - 09/30/03 09:48 AM Re: Is The Aluminum Oxide Danger A Myth???? [Re: ]
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[:"apple"]Hi Karin![/][:"red"] Aluminum oxide IS a proven toxic agent![/][:"teal"] You might want to take a closer look at some of the links I provided before you dismiss the toxicity of aluminum oxide and it's effects on humans and pets! My personal preference will be to avoid the use of this type of sandpaper and to rely upon the silicon carbide unless or until they find it to be a detriment as well. HTH! <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" />[/]

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#10214 - 09/30/03 11:03 AM Re: Is The Aluminum Oxide Danger A Myth???? [Re: ]
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My boyfriend (Jeremy) had to tape a seminar by some nutritionalist for his job, and she mentioned that aluminum (also found in deodorant) has been linked with breast cancer. Just something to think about...

(Of course then I went to get some non-aluminum deodorant, and they didn't have any...not at Wal-Mart anyway...)

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#10215 - 10/01/03 01:55 PM Re: Is The Aluminum Oxide Danger A Myth???? [Re: ]
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I did a lot of research in August of 2001 on the issue of aluminum oxide in connection with a thread about Soy Protein Isolate (SPI) as many companies use aluminum vats with respect to SPI production. What happens is that a slurry of soy beans is first mixed with an alkaline solution to remove fibre, then precipitated and separated using an acid wash and, finally, neutralized in an alkaline solution. ACID WASHING IN ALUMINUM TANKS LEACHES HIGH LEVELS OF ALUMINUM INTO THE FINAL PRODUCT.

Aluminum has a tendency to accumulate in the brain and bones. It is considerably less toxic than mercury, arsenic, lead or cadmium, but it appears to be more persistent than most of them. The danger is that aluminum toxicity pretty much manifests itself only over long periods of time as opposed to aluminum toxicity symptoms appearing after only a short acute exposure. The PRINCIPAL SYMPTOM OF ALUMINUM POISONING is the loss of intellectual function; forgetfulness, inability to concentrate, and in extreme cases, full blown dementia & is believed to be a contributing factor in Alzheinmers Disease. Due to prolonged exposure over many years, it has also been known to CAUSE BONE SOFTENING & BONE MASS LOSS, KIDNEY & OTHER SOFT TISSUE DAMAGE, & IN LARGE DOSES, CAN EVEN CAUSE CARDIAC ARREST.

Additionally, Aluminum oxide is used as a component of paints and varnishes and in the manufacture of alloys, ceramics, glass, electrical insulators and resistors. For those who have worked most of their lives in settings with regular exposure to aluminum oxide, the significant health effects of inhaling aluminum oxide particles include:

1) conjunctivitis, pharyngitis, and nasal irritation.

2) Occupational asthma has been reported in aluminium smelter workers but these individuals have also been exposed to several other potential allergens (including fluorides and sulphur dioxide).

3) Chronic aluminium oxide inhalation may also cause pneumoconiosis with cough and exertional dyspnoea, diffuse reticulonodular shadowing on chest X-ray and a restrictive pattern of pulmonary function. In severe cases death may result from respiratory failure or corpulmonale.

While there is no established role for chelation therapy in chronic aluminium oxide poisoning, it has been noted that when iron, calcium, magnesium and zinc levels drop, the uptake of aluminium worsens. Therefore, for humans, taking mineral supplements seems to be a good idea as absorption of aluminum is dramatically reduced by the presence of iron in the body. While I cannot comment on whether other glider diets contain adequate amounts of iron, calcium, magnesium and zinc, I do know the BML diet Plan makes use of Herptivite which contains calcium, iron, magnesium and zinc. The BML diet Plan also makes use of the Rep-Cal Phosphorus-Free Calcium with D-3 which (assuming a glider is eatting the BML mix regularly) should keep these particular minerals from being too low systemically.

Again, the key factor involving toxic aluminum poisoning is that it is cumulative and slow acting over many years rather than occurring from one acute exposure episode. I, therefore, concur with Randy that aluminum oxide does not pose a serious health risk to gliders especially if they are on a proven diet which incorporates appropriate amounts of calcium, iron, magnesium and zinc.

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