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#1044372 - 12/21/10 10:32 AM White Tip x Normal Pairing
Garry
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Advance Merry xmas guys..

Just wanna find out if theres anyone out there who done pairing a normal ( white tip x normal parents ) to a normal ( both normal parents ) and successfully produced a white tip joeys..? thanks..

Note: can anyone widely explain to me the white tip variation..? thank you very much.. good day.. =)


Edited by Garry (12/21/10 11:09 AM)

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#1044385 - 12/21/10 11:17 AM Re: White Tip x Normal Pairing [Re: ]
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Yes, I have gotten WT joeys from normal WT pairings and have gotten WT joeys from the normal joeys from the WT / normal pairings. WTs just kind of pop up when they feel like it around here. thumb

I have Rain ( WT grey ) with Summer ( WF 66% leu het )and they have had one WF/WT joey & two normals that have had WT joeys with normal mates.

Saphirra ( WT grey ) with Emerald ( grey newly proven 100% leu het ) have had two tiny WT joeys and 3 normals. 1 of the normals has had a WT joey with a normal mate.
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#1044392 - 12/21/10 11:44 AM Re: White Tip x Normal Pairing [Re: tbull]
Garry
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Originally Posted By: tbull
Yes, I have gotten WT joeys from normal WT pairings and have gotten WT joeys from the normal joeys from the WT / normal pairings. WTs just kind of pop up when they feel like it around here. thumb


Thanks tbull!! thats an excellent answer that i needed.. =p so, by your experiences.. we can now prove that WT mutation can make HETS.. WT is also a Recessive color like leucistic, albino, and cremeno..

There for:

(example)
Leucistic + Normal =
100% Leu Het (always)
Notes: This is breeding out, and a recommended pairing. Normal color offspring.

we can now say that if i pair a WT x Normal.. the offpring of it will became 100% het WT RIGHT!?! =)

on the other hand:

(example)
100% Leu Het + 100% Leu Het =
Leucistic (25% of the time)
100% Leu Het (50% of the time)
Normal (25% of the time)
Notes: Approximately 1 in 4 offspring will have the recessive color. 3 in 4 offspring will have the normal color. 2 in 3 of the normal color offspring will have the recessive color gene. These are sold as having a 66% chance of having the leu gene. This is not breeding out and is not a recommended pairing.

there for, the said thing is.. i cant have a WT offspring with a 100% HET WT x Normal.. because i need 100% het WT x 100% het WT to produce a WT one.. right..? (25% chance)

and the other chances of getting one is WT x Wt(100% chance) and WT x 100% het WT (50% chance)


Edited by Garry (12/21/10 12:01 PM)

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#1044397 - 12/21/10 12:09 PM Re: White Tip x Normal Pairing [Re: ]
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Loc: Kansas City, MO
Sorry its not an exact science like leu is. Is there such a thing as a WT het ? Yup but it isn't in the same manner like leu. Ex. two WT's have no guarentee of EVER making a WT joey and if they do produce WT's it can range from every time to every other time to once in awhile. Its not a science.
IMO Breeding WT's from WT lines ups your chances for producing WT. I have had and do have a few pairs.
I've paired WT (Constanze) with a WF(Mozart). The WT was from a long line of WT's. First two joeys were a standard greys no joeys produced from these two. Then they had triplets I got a WT (big one!) a WF/WT and a WF. Sadly none of these joeys lived to be able to see what they produced. Then the pair had a WF and a Standard. The wf was never bred and the Standard is Badger who is now owned by Dani. Badger was paired to a WF and had produced I think three sets of twins in EACH set he produced WTs. Two WF/WT's and one wt. The mother has no WT in her background except I think the mother had a sister who produced WT randomly so IMO she was not a WT het in any way. So a WT het paired with a non WT threw THREE out of six WTs.
Ok then I have Constanze's brother paired with another WF, they've had 4 joeys all wf's but no WTs.
I have a two WT's paired together they've thrown I would say 30% WT's. And some of their hets have thrown WTs and their WT joeys have thrown WTs.
I have one of their joeys about to be paired to a WF/WT the joey is a WT as well.

You see what I'm saying? Its not a science like leu is.
My theory is that the WT gene passes but not all the time. It doesn't have to be displayed to carry. The stronger the background yes the greater the chance is to carry but as far as WT compaired to WT het passing the gene.. WHO KNOWS?
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#1044412 - 12/21/10 12:29 PM Re: White Tip x Normal Pairing [Re: Laurens_Babies]
Garry
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@Laurens_Babies, thanks for sharing ma`am..

Originally Posted By: Laurens_Babies
Then they had triplets I got a WT (big one!) a WF/WT and a WF. Sadly none of these joeys lived to be able to see what they produced.


Sorry for your loss.. =(

Originally Posted By: Laurens_Babies
You see what I'm saying? Its not a science like leu is.
My theory is that the WT gene passes but not all the time. It doesn't have to be displayed to carry. The stronger the background yes the greater the chance is to carry but as far as WT compaired to WT het passing the gene.. WHO KNOWS?


Now i get it.. so no one knows how it works, like its kinda just your luck or how strong the gene is passed.. so, pairing a het WT to a normal one will pop a WT too.. its just a matter of luck..? =? hehe.. thanks for the replies.. very appreciated..

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#1044414 - 12/21/10 12:30 PM Re: White Tip x Normal Pairing [Re: ]
Laurens_Babies Offline
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Registered: 03/04/07
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Loc: Kansas City, MO
In addition we have RANDOM WT joeys crop up. Two gliders with NO history of WT throwing WT joeys..
But IMO and from what I have seen these WT's paired with non WT's have a low chance of throwing WT joeys.
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#1044417 - 12/21/10 12:35 PM Re: White Tip x Normal Pairing [Re: ]
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Registered: 09/10/04
Posts: 22746
Loc: 80 acres of paradise in KS
With white face or mosaic gliders, atleast one parent has to BE a wf or mosaic for the joeys to be wf or mosaic.

With leus, both parents much carry the gene (either leus or hets) in order to produce leu joeys. Two leu parents should produce nothing but leu offspring.

But neither of these rules seem to apply to wt gliders.

They say there is an exception to ever rule. Wt's seem to be that exception.

I had Everest (wt) with Addison. Both came from wt parents. They had only one joey, no wt. But that joey went on to have wt joeys of her own. (they had to be seperated when Addison was pregnant due to aggression from Everest)

I now have Everest with Sierra. Both wt's. They have had 1 wt joey, the rest were not. The one wt joey has had wt of his own. (Everest is now neutered)
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#1044824 - 12/22/10 08:31 AM Re: White Tip x Normal Pairing [Re: ]
Garry
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Thanks for the replies guys.. helps me alot.. ;D BTW, i need your opinion here.. i have right now 2 females siblings came from a WT x Normal pairing.. i paired them to one of my normal males here to make a trio.. is it a good move to have a trio right now..? or do i need to stay with the normal pairing thingy..? thanks guys..


Edited by Garry (12/22/10 08:32 AM)

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#1044918 - 12/22/10 02:00 PM Re: White Tip x Normal Pairing [Re: ]
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Registered: 09/10/04
Posts: 22746
Loc: 80 acres of paradise in KS
Trios are very tricky. Either they will work or they won't. It is hard to predict. You will want to watch for any dominance issues such as them keeping one away from food or one sleeping by herself most of the time. And of course any fighting. Until they get to breeding age, you will not know if it is going to work or not.

I have had such bad luck with trios/quads that I didn't think I would ever even attempt it again but I now have a trio that is just AWESOME. In addition to the twin sisters and their mate, their neutered son also lives with them. The currently have three joeys oop, one single and one set of twins, and they all 4 take care of the joeys. I even caught the twin sisters sharing the feeding of the two little twins.

This seems to be unusual to have such a harmonious trio though. You have to remain prepared to seperate if necessary and be prepared for it not to work out. Many things CAN go wrong from baby stealing (where one female steals the joeys from the other), canabalizing and other similar problems.
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