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#1052761 - 01/09/11 06:05 PM Wet introductions, reposted
sugarlope Offline
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Ok, let me start off by saying that we think this topic is a discussion worth having, just not the way it happened earlier today. After looking through the thread, it was too difficult to edit, so we are opening up this new thread for anyone that would like to discuss this civilly.

Originally Posted By: GC R4
4. GliderCENTRAL is a family oriented "G" rated board. Be polite, courteous and respectful to other board members at all times.

This means we will not allow personal attacks, name calling (we are not a bunch of children), or for drama to be brought over from other websites, including other forums and/or facebook.

Please also remember Rule #2:

2. Do not post names, phone numbers, addresses, personal email or correspondence without the other parties permission. Due to copyright laws, do not cut and paste articles from another site. Please use a link instead. Comments of glider related businesses and web sites will be allowed by name as long as the discussion is kept on topic and within reason. Personal bashing will not be tolerated.



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Edited by DCMuffin (01/09/11 06:39 PM)
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#1052768 - 01/09/11 06:13 PM Re: Wet introductions, reposted [Re: sugarlope]
sugarlope Offline
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Originally Posted By: WintersSong
...I am posting it here for a few reasons. Mainly because this is a board that attracts a lot of newcomers, and this is really something that people need to realize that it's not okay to do. I understand that introductions are sometimes rough, exhausting, and (at times) downright impossible..but this method is not okay.

...there has been some talk of "wet introductions".. essentially, soaking the glider, the cage, and cage items, and then putting a single dry pouch in to force two gliders to go together. People are actually doing this.

Am I wrong in thinking that this is pretty much cruel, and wrong? I am just awestruck that people are actually doing this to their gliders.

What is your opinion on this method of introductions?


Originally Posted By: jacknsally
Just horrible- the pictures are so sad. I wouldn't even do a dry intro the way she did (just toss them all into a cage). First it was vanilla, then mouthwash, now it's just soak them wet to get them together. Though they may be together now, doesn't mean they are happy and it doesn't mean they will stay together as a colony. That's one thing ALL rescues know or should know.

I agree with the others, it is very selfish to "make" gliders be together. There's a reason why they don't want to be together and whether they are soaked and happy, one day that reason will present again and a serious trauma could/will happen.


Originally Posted By: LabNGlider
Not to mention the HEALTH issues that COULD come of this... we tell everyone DO NOT get your gliders wet but if it MUST be done or they HAPPEN to get wet DRY THEM IMMEDIATELY and COMPLETELY before returning them to the pouch...these folks then do away with ALL that and basically are saying it is FINE to risk their gliders' health by soaking them and not drying them as long as it helps the OWNER get the colony or buddy situation the OWNER wants to have?!?!?
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#1052776 - 01/09/11 06:21 PM Re: Wet introductions, reposted [Re: sugarlope]
sugarlope Offline
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Originally Posted By: lovely1inred
Oh I just read the entire description of the introduction method on another site. They're putting MOUTHWASH on the glider's cloaca. Ok, I don't know about you, but I don't like mouthwash in my MOUTH. It BURNS. Why would you put that on what is quite possibly the most sensitive skin and parts on a glider????? Honestly I'm quite surprised that these gliders did anything other than go to tearing at that part of their bodies.


Originally Posted By: StitchsMom
There are a lot of controversial techniques out there. I have to say that I don't agree with this one, but I'm glad I was made aware of it!...

Unfortunately, this IS what some people do. I've always said that just because it works, doesn't mean it's right. In this case, I think these owners are taking some pretty serious risks by wetting down their pet and letting it stay wet for any amount of time. I feel that they are deliberately putting their animals under stress in order to force a result.

We all know that there are risks when it comes to introducing sugar gliders. This is something that the owner should be prepared for. I think that if two gliders require this sort of tactic to be together then they shouldn't be together. Find another way to make it work with your gliders. It's silly to say that their loneliness is more is risk. No, it means that the owner must find another way to fix it and they should have been prepared for it to begin with. Maybe these gliders need different cage mates or living situations to be happy.

I think this is a case of owners putting their wants before the overall well-being of their pet. Just my opinion.


Originally Posted By: buttercup
I put a warning on my web site about this "method" (and I use that term loosely)

I think other owners with web sites should do the same.
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#1052788 - 01/09/11 06:34 PM Re: Wet introductions, reposted [Re: sugarlope]
Dancing Offline
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Registered: 09/10/04
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Someone asked for the reasons this was a bad thing to do to gliders. Here are just SOME of the reasons I can think of off the top of my head.

Gliders are unlike other animals.

They become stressed very easily and when stressed, it compromises their immune system making them susceptible to a host of illnesses.

With a compromised immune system, they are more likely to become seriously ill from any bacteria or parasites that may otherwise remain dormant in their system.

When stressed, they are more likely to over groom or even self mutilate (though that is not as common).

When stressed, they will often display neurological effects such as circling the tops of the cages or doing repetitive back flips or even refusing to eat or over eating.

Soaking a glider can cause their body temperatures to drop rapidly causing them to go into shock which can lead to death.

Soaking them such as this method suggests makes then susceptible to respiratory infection which can lead to pneumonia.

Forcing gliders to live together that would rather not, will lead to stress. (see effects above)

Treating a glider in this manner shows the glider that humans can not be trusted and can harm any trust building (bonding) that may have been done.

Treating a glider in this manner can cause a glider to become fearful of their surroundings.

Fear can cause constant stress to which leads to other issues (see above).

Using mouthwash on their cloacoa would BURN and could lead to self mutilation.

Withholding food? Really? Gliders have a very fast metabolism and withholding food isn't even done before they go through neutering surgery. Why would anyone think withholding food is good?

Keeping on the lights to force the gliders to remain in a pouch to force them to accept each other is just cruel too.

If I was kidnapped by someone along with my worst enemy and we were being held against our will by someone that was torturing us, there is every chance me and that enemy would work together just to survive and hopefully escape. But that still would not make me and that enemy friends!
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#1052796 - 01/09/11 06:45 PM Re: Wet introductions, reposted [Re: sugarlope]
ShelbyD
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Who would use mouthwash on a glider for any reason? have people actually done that?

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#1052798 - 01/09/11 06:47 PM Re: Wet introductions, reposted [Re: sugarlope]
WintersSong Offline
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Registered: 10/26/09
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Loc: NY
Shelby, yes. Others have actually done this.
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#1052800 - 01/09/11 06:49 PM Re: Wet introductions, reposted [Re: sugarlope]
JillMarie Offline
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Registered: 01/03/09
Posts: 7748
Loc: New Jersey
Even if everything is done correctly, sometimes an animal just wont do what you want it to. I personally feel that animals are individuals and have a right to that individuality. "forcing" them to alter their individual natural behavior can have adverse consequences later.
I would not recommend this type of "intro" but would recommend other methods. However I dont like the "cover their smell with something else" either. Sometimes it can be a personality thing. My 2 girls have very different personalities,and sometimes get on eachother's nerves.

If 2 gliders do not want to get along, and still will not months later, I would either let them remain alone and give them lots of extra attention, or try to find a cage-mate they DO like. Sugar gliders are individuals and its quite possible personalities can "clash."
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#1052806 - 01/09/11 06:57 PM Re: Wet introductions, reposted [Re: sugarlope]
lovely1inred
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I agree Jill! Personalities sometimes just will not go together! I have also noticed and discussed before, the various geographical origins of some gliders, they are just not meant to go together. A lot of the time that gliders are not getting along, one has a round face and the other a pointy one, or one is a good 2 inches longer than the other. I really believe that those lines came off of different islands so of course they don't want to share.

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#1052811 - 01/09/11 07:00 PM Re: Wet introductions, reposted [Re: sugarlope]
DCMuffin Offline
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Well said, JillMarie! smile
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#1052817 - 01/09/11 07:05 PM Re: Wet introductions, reposted [Re: sugarlope]
ShelbyD
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Wow frown that makes me sad

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#1052820 - 01/09/11 07:08 PM Re: Wet introductions, reposted [Re: sugarlope]
eterrell84 Offline
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Registered: 11/19/09
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Loc: atkins arkansas
i think this is horribly sad! i cant imagine some spraying me and my house with a firehose, the forcing me to lay in a dry bed with somebody i dont even know. then to force me down and pour mouthwash on my junk? i cant see how any of this is passed as a "method of introduction" on ANY site.
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#1052823 - 01/09/11 07:12 PM Re: Wet introductions, reposted [Re: sugarlope]
gliderma Offline
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Loc: Michigan
Gliders have as many different personalities as we do!
To expect them all to get along all the time is unrealistic. To force the issue is cruel & selfish.
I have several pairs that have been together for as much as 4 yrs and as little as a year, but they all have had little squabbles from time to time. That's just part of living together. Some, however, may never get along and that should be accepted. Just my opinion of course, but how I would handle it.
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#1052834 - 01/09/11 07:35 PM Re: Wet introductions, reposted [Re: sugarlope]
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This is incredibly sad and I cannot believe that a relationship built upon a foundation of fear would last.
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#1052873 - 01/09/11 08:51 PM Re: Wet introductions, reposted [Re: Dancing]
Marsupial_Mayhem Offline
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Registered: 07/24/04
Posts: 1523
Loc: Lake Havasu City, AZ
Originally Posted By: Dancing
Someone asked for the reasons this was a bad thing to do to gliders. Here are just SOME of the reasons I can think of off the top of my head.

Gliders are unlike other animals.

They become stressed very easily and when stressed, it compromises their immune system making them susceptible to a host of illnesses.

With a compromised immune system, they are more likely to become seriously ill from any bacteria or parasites that may otherwise remain dormant in their system.

When stressed, they are more likely to over groom or even self mutilate (though that is not as common).

When stressed, they will often display neurological effects such as circling the tops of the cages or doing repetitive back flips or even refusing to eat or over eating.

Soaking a glider can cause their body temperatures to drop rapidly causing them to go into shock which can lead to death.

Soaking them such as this method suggests makes then susceptible to respiratory infection which can lead to pneumonia.

Forcing gliders to live together that would rather not, will lead to stress. (see effects above)

Treating a glider in this manner shows the glider that humans can not be trusted and can harm any trust building (bonding) that may have been done.

Treating a glider in this manner can cause a glider to become fearful of their surroundings.

Fear can cause constant stress to which leads to other issues (see above).

Using mouthwash on their cloacoa would BURN and could lead to self mutilation.

Withholding food? Really? Gliders have a very fast metabolism and withholding food isn't even done before they go through neutering surgery. Why would anyone think withholding food is good?

Keeping on the lights to force the gliders to remain in a pouch to force them to accept each other is just cruel too.

If I was kidnapped by someone along with my worst enemy and we were being held against our will by someone that was torturing us, there is every chance me and that enemy would work together just to survive and hopefully escape. But that still would not make me and that enemy friends!
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#1052875 - 01/09/11 08:53 PM Re: Wet introductions, reposted [Re: sugarlope]
Marsupial_Mayhem Offline
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When I started reading about it, it felt just like I had stepped off a time machine into the days of torture and inhumane treatment of humans. It really made me mad that there are folks out there who think this is a splendid way to spend a Sunday afternoon.

It's barbaric. Plain and simple.
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#1052878 - 01/09/11 08:55 PM Re: Wet introductions, reposted [Re: sugarlope]
suggiemom1980 Offline
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Loc: Vincennes, IN, USA
This just goes against everything I've read and been taught to NOT do. It breaks my heart, that this is being done to gliders who have already been through a rough life, only to go through more and possibly worse, at the hands of those who are supposed to be their protectors. I worry about their physical and mental health. Do they ever fully recover from going through this? It's just so very sad. cry cry cry cry cry
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#1052951 - 01/09/11 10:37 PM Re: Wet introductions, reposted [Re: sugarlope]
wildlifeangel Offline
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Registered: 11/25/08
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Loc: Minneapolis, MN
I understand the basic premis of masking the scent during introductions, not that I would ever use it for a glider.

When I worked in wildlife, a common practice for introducing the raccoon cubs was to rub menthol on top of their noses to avoid them being able to smell the differences in eachother. This was ONLY done because raccoons were always released in groups of up to 40 so that the clan had a chance in the wild as bonded. BUT that doesn't ever involve soaking, or taking away food or warmth.

WE are not supposed swallow mouthwash, so why would it be appropriate for it to be applied to the genitals where the glider is sure to groom?

It has already been said, so I won't re-iterate too much, but getting a glider wet is dangerous! The other concern, IF I didn't think it was dangerous to just get them wet (follow me for a second here) then the other concern would be the temperature of the room while the gliders are wet... the room and cage area must be at least 85+ degrees (not sure exactly how much) to prevent pneumonia and shock...


Overall.. I see this as a LAZY way to do introductions, it seems to take less time, and they are just together... but it is dangerous and the site even states that they need to check the gliders for wounds! Unless I hear fighting, I do not check my gliders for wounds, because I know things are going well... that is not to say i don't look at and handle them, but I do not look specifically for wounds. That practice seems inhumane and lazy... just bad to do!

Go slower and give your babies a chance to bond!

The whole story just makes me ill. And those who have spoken in favor of it make me even more ill.
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#1052959 - 01/09/11 10:44 PM Re: Wet introductions, reposted [Re: sugarlope]
Megs
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Can we also add to the 'not to' list of reasons that their fur is VERY dense. It is supposed to REPEL water. Much like a chincilla's fur, strands grow in approximately 50 per follicle, as opposed to our mere one per follicle. Getting them wet could later result in mold and mildew growing on their skin, though they LOOK dry and OK.

This is why they should never get wet and when they do we should hand dry them.

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#1052981 - 01/09/11 11:24 PM Re: Wet introductions, reposted [Re: ]
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Registered: 11/26/10
Posts: 35
Loc: Martinsburg, WV
FOR ALL MODS:PLZ BE AWARE THAT THIS IS NOT A BASHING POST!!! I am legally bound as a fellow charitable organization to try and stop the abuse of animals so please do not think I am trying to bash anyone, I am trying to give people on this forum an opportunity to legally do something about the subject at hand.

This is directed at all those people that want to legally do something to stop the abuse of gliders due to this topic...I am the president of a 501 (c) 3 dog rescue and can tell you that what we have been discussing all day is legally considered animal cruelty and can be stopped. As a charitable organization rescues are under the obligation to help and preserve the health and well being of all animals and if a handling technique if found to be inhumane then they have an obligation to change that technique.

If this is somehow compromised then we as citizens have the right to stop the abuse that is being done. I am willing to send this "rescue" a letter in hopes that they will conform to the correct way to treat animals but I will need your help so that we as a collective group will be able to, if necessary, report them to their local authorities in hopes that maybe they will do something to stop the cruelty. I am looking for people willing to at the very least sign a petition to help me stop this, if you are interested please PM me and let me know.


Edited by Sydvicious (01/09/11 11:27 PM)
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#1052989 - 01/09/11 11:46 PM Re: Wet introductions, reposted [Re: sugarlope]
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This just hurts my heart. They are such teeny tiny defenseless little creatures that depend on us for everything. This is how I would feel if this happened to ME -

If you locked me in a RUNNING car wash with, say: my ex, someone who hurts kids, an an murderer, and someone who gets off on kicking puppies. After leaving us in the carwash for a period of time, they then offered us all one bed, refused to feed us and shined a halogen light on us all night. Yeah, you know what, I MIGHT learn to not want to kill the people around me. But I tell you what, if it didn't kill me, I would certainly HATE the people who did that to me.

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#1052992 - 01/09/11 11:52 PM Re: Wet introductions, reposted [Re: sugarlope]
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I DO NOT condone this type of glider to glider bonding as I feel it is a unsafe and harmful practice. I also I don't believe it can possibly achieve a true bond between the gliders JMO.

I'd be willing to sign a petition in the hopes that this rescue would stop using this method.
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#1052997 - 01/10/11 12:00 AM Re: Wet introductions, reposted [Re: hpyhwn2003]
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Originally Posted By: BelladonnasMom
This is how I would feel if this happened to ME -

If you locked me in a RUNNING car wash with, say: my ex, someone who hurts kids, an an murderer, and someone who gets off on kicking puppies. After leaving us in the carwash for a period of time, they then offered us all one bed, refused to feed us and shined a halogen light on us all night. Yeah, you know what, I MIGHT learn to not want to kill the people around me. But I tell you what, if it didn't kill me, I would certainly HATE the people who did that to me.




Originally Posted By: hpyhwn2003
I DO NOT condone this type of glider to glider bonding as I feel it is a unsafe and harmful practice. I also I don't believe it can possibly achieve a true bond between the gliders JMO.

I'd be willing to sign a petition in the hopes that this rescue would stop using this method.


I agree...100% and I am so signing! Mods...please allow a petition to be placed!!!
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#1053003 - 01/10/11 12:06 AM Re: Wet introductions, reposted [Re: hpyhwn2003]
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Originally Posted By: hpyhwn2003
I DO NOT condone this type of glider to glider bonding as I feel it is a unsafe and harmful practice. I also I don't believe it can possibly achieve a true bond between the gliders JMO.

I'd be willing to sign a petition in the hopes that this rescue would stop using this method.


I feel the same way and I am willing to sign a petition also.
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#1053004 - 01/10/11 12:06 AM Re: Wet introductions, reposted [Re: sugarlope]
Kimberlyann Offline
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Registered: 08/04/10
Posts: 483
Loc: NY
I am lost in this post as I don't see the original post so I have no idea what is going on.... frown
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#1053009 - 01/10/11 12:19 AM Re: Wet introductions, reposted [Re: sugarlope]
rammsteinmiss
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I would GLADLY sign anything to get this stuff to end. I wanted to cry my eyes out when reading all this. These people should NOT even have gliders to begin with. I just want to cuddle mine. I think i will take tinkerbell with me tomorrow while im out. Knowing how much i love my babies makes me feel so much better.

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#1053010 - 01/10/11 12:20 AM Re: Wet introductions, reposted [Re: Kimberlyann]
BelladonnasMom
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Originally Posted By: Kimberlyann
I am lost in this post as I don't see the original post so I have no idea what is going on.... frown


Apparently there are some people who use a pretty extreme, and to some of us excruciatingly cruel, method of introducing gliders that otherwise haven't learned to get along. They place them in a tiny cage, no pouches or anything, then SOAK the gliders to the skin. Even going so far as to leave the cage in a running shower for an HOUR. After the hour is up, a bright light is shown onto the cage all night, and they are not fed. It is theorized that they will all be so terrified and fixated on the cold and wet they they will all gratefully pile up together in a pouch once the deluge stops.

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#1053011 - 01/10/11 12:27 AM Re: Wet introductions, reposted [Re: sugarlope]
Megs
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Just to give you a brief synopsis:

The owner of another forum, and several gliders, has introduced a method a few years back that is just now becoming known.

This method is to get gliders housed together. The method is as follows:

Take a cotton ball or qtip and absorb it in mouthwash. Rub it on the gliders' cloacas.

Place gliders to be intro'd into a small cage with no toys or pouches. Place into a running shower. Keep them wet for approximately one hour.

Then offer ONE clean, odor free pouch and place the cage in a bright light. This forces the gliders to huddle together.

Keep this light on the cage over night. Do not offer any food.


The gliders will be too concerned with drying and getting/keeping warm to focus on the 'strange' gliders around them.

So is the theory.

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#1053019 - 01/10/11 12:56 AM Re: Wet introductions, reposted [Re: sugarlope]
Kimberlyann Offline
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Registered: 08/04/10
Posts: 483
Loc: NY
Thank you for taking the time to explain this to me smile

That is cruel. It is people like that, that also believe that beating a dog is training it.

Even if it did work, it leaves emotional scares and is not healthy physically.

How horrible is it that a new glider owner will read that and think that is the correct way to do an intro.

It is torture and this man should have his gliders taken away and if I had my way imprisoned!
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#1053022 - 01/10/11 01:15 AM Re: Wet introductions, reposted [Re: sugarlope]
Kuro_Neko
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"Even going so far as to leave the cage in a running shower for an HOUR"

Just to be clear. The running water wasn't ON the gliders. It was off to the side to supposedly keep the stall warm with the steam.

"Take a cotton ball or qtip and absorb it in mouthwash. Rub it on the gliders' cloacas."

Just to be clear here as well, it is AROUND it, not on it.
(Yes, I know being around it still provides the chance of getting IN it, but just clearing it up)

I know this doesn't change anything one way or another, but I just prefer to have facts straight.

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#1053024 - 01/10/11 01:27 AM Re: Wet introductions, reposted [Re: sugarlope]
Span
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I know this won't change anyone's opinions, but its considered a "last resort" for gliders who are desperate for mates.

Maybe you should take a step back and see the good the Lucky Glider Rescue does for gliders, and ask what the real intention is here. They aren't doing this for fun.

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