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#1052985 - 01/09/11 11:33 PM Agave, Maple Syrup, Honey
My_Sugar_Fix Offline
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Registered: 12/04/10
Posts: 71
Loc: Blissful paradise USA
NOT for the use in or substitution in any current recipe

DEFINITIONS (first smile )
Agave nectar is a sweet syrup produced by heating the sap of a agave plant.(allaboutagave.com)

Honey is a sweet, viscid fluid produced by bees from the nectar collected from flowers, and stored in nests or hives as food. (dictionary.com)

Maple Syrup is a syrup produced by partially boiling down the sap of the sugar maple or of any of several other maple trees.(dictionary.com)

THE WILD GLIDER EATS
Quote:
Plant products such acacia gum, eucalyptus sap and other nectars make up the majority of this seasonal diet.
Sugar gliders eat manna in the wild. Manna is a crusty sugar left from where sap flowed from a wound in a tree trunk or branch.
(sugar-gliders.com)
Quote:
In the wild, the sugar glider diet consists mostly of gums and saps from trees, nectar, and insects. They are also known to eat eggs and small invertebrates.
(thepetglider.com)

MY QUESTIONS
So with the above information (and your experience/ knowledge), which is the better and WHY?

Agave and Maple are both directly from the plant but processed by us to make it a syrup.
Honey is directly from flowers and processed by bees (more natural because nature does it rather than a stove, yes, but is it all that different?)

Wouldn't sugar gliders prefer sap (like products) from a tree?

Wouldn't the nutrients in Agave and Maple be closer in range to those found in plants wild gliders munch on?



Please note again NOT for substitutions just research laugh

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#1053012 - 01/10/11 12:27 AM Re: Agave, Maple Syrup, Honey [Re: My_Sugar_Fix]
BelladonnasMom
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I think the issue with this is just what you pointed out: the maple sap and agave nectar are cooked down, not eaten in their natural state. I can tell you from personal experience, maple SAP does NOT taste so yummy. LOL And I have also tasted an Agave plant and the acacia gum powder that is available to us for our gliders, also not so yummy. The acacia gum was in fact quite funky tasting.

Whoever decided to call them "sugar" gliders was the one who led us all to believe that gliders like all their food sweet. Mine like honey on ocassion, but to me it's like giving them candy. I add it to thier food because of all the nutrients and natural enzymes and stuff that is in it. Pretty good stuff, but it would still be good FOR you if it wasn't yummy.

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#1053082 - 01/10/11 07:42 AM Re: Agave, Maple Syrup, Honey [Re: My_Sugar_Fix]
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I have some agave nectar that every so often, I drizzle on fruits and/or veggies at night. The monkeys DO like it..and honestly, it doesn't taste too bad. It's not something I would even give once a week, but I do it maybe once or twice a month here and there. dunno
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#1053124 - 01/10/11 09:38 AM Re: Agave, Maple Syrup, Honey [Re: My_Sugar_Fix]
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Registered: 12/03/08
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Loc: roseville, mi
i make a nectar using organic maple syrup watered down with smart water. 20 or 40 parts water to 1 part syrup. i somtime sprinkle on a little nectar from suncoast to this mixture also.

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#1053322 - 01/10/11 04:51 PM Re: Agave, Maple Syrup, Honey [Re: My_Sugar_Fix]
lovely1inred
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You might find information in this thread helpful
http://www.glidercentral.net/ubbthreads/...Wars#Post815904

Agave is relatively new as a sweetener in our supermarkets, and I didn't find a thread on that but the sap vs. honey is an ongoing, bend-your-brain debate!

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#1053346 - 01/10/11 05:12 PM Re: Agave, Maple Syrup, Honey [Re: My_Sugar_Fix]
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did a little more research on nutritiondata.com and compaired the three in 1 oz portions, which is 2tbs, raw agave seems to have the most benefits. More vitamins, more calcium, well here are the numbers per 1oz serving....



Honey
Calories 85
Fat 0
Sodium 1.1mg or 1g
Carbs 23g
Sugars 23g
Protein 0
Calcium 1.7mg
Phosphorus 1.1mg
Vit A 0
Vit C 0
Water 4.8g or 4800mg


Agave
Calories 19
Fat 0
Sodium 4mg or 0.0044g
Carbs 5g
Sugars 1g
Protein 0.1g
Calcium 117mg
Phosphorus 2.0mg
Vit A 0
Vit C 1.1mg
Water 0.0229g or 22.9mg


Maple
Calories 73
Fat 0
Sodium 3mg
Carbs 19g
Sugars 17g
Protein 0
Calcium 18.8mg
Phosphorus 0.6mg
Vit A 0
Vit C 0
Water 9.0g

Does this mean anything, I DON'T KNow!

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#1053400 - 01/10/11 07:06 PM Re: Agave, Maple Syrup, Honey [Re: My_Sugar_Fix]
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Registered: 05/11/08
Posts: 5997
Loc: Upstate, SC
I am no expert in this area, but is 4gm sodium a lot?? If it is, then I know that would be bad, due to the ease of dehydration in such a small animal...

That's all I got wink
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#1054169 - 01/12/11 04:01 PM Re: Agave, Maple Syrup, Honey [Re: My_Sugar_Fix]
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Loc: New Jersey
I use the maple syrup. for a couple reasons. What "type" of sugar is agave? fructose, sucrose, glucose? I have used it but sparingly usually for treats
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#1054212 - 01/12/11 05:33 PM Re: Agave, Maple Syrup, Honey [Re: My_Sugar_Fix]
heidi Offline
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Registered: 10/08/09
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ive used agave poeder,hunny,agave nector,powdered maple syrup and maple syrup...they like it all..what tom dose is nail clipping nite tom soaks euck sticks in a mixture of water and one of the above sweets...well im clipping nails there having tasty treats.....i use to put honey in bml but now i use papaya pure. ...yes they get sweets other ways also...yoggies,dehydrated papaya,pineapple,apple...ect...but there all as treats...mine are by far fluffy gliders..but you need to watch the amount of sugar you do give...i swear our papa has diabeties the way he drinks and pees...ive taken him to the vets but theres not a lot of info on sugerglider diebeties...so with him im extra cautious on any sugar he gets natural from fruit or synthetic yogie ...
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#1054251 - 01/12/11 07:51 PM Re: Agave, Maple Syrup, Honey [Re: My_Sugar_Fix]
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Registered: 12/04/10
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Loc: Blissful paradise USA
JillMarie - I have read that agave is fructose in its natural form, 90% fructose that does not contain any chemical processing.

Heidi- where do you get the powders and why use those verse the syrups?
Why do you say you need to watch the amount of sugar you give?
I have heard people say these are little guys that eat up energy fast so they need to be provided with a good amount of sugars. So now I am confused.

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#1055749 - 01/15/11 07:02 PM Re: Agave, Maple Syrup, Honey [Re: SariYappa]
BelladonnasMom
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Originally Posted By: SariYappa
I am no expert in this area, but is 4gm sodium a lot?? If it is, then I know that would be bad, due to the ease of dehydration in such a small animal...

That's all I got wink


Sari, I think you meant mg and not gm. LOL The difference is HUGE girl! (1 gm = 1,000 mg)

At any rate, keep in mind that those numbers are for whatever they consider to be a "human" sized serving. Probably anywhere from 1-3 tablespoons. So the gliders would be getting a LOT less of those nutrients at a time.

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#1055797 - 01/15/11 08:39 PM Re: Agave, Maple Syrup, Honey [Re: My_Sugar_Fix]
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Correct me if I'm wrong here, but the numbers quoted above are for 1 oz of each liquid. They have nothing to do with human versus something else, it is just how much of each vitamin, mineral etc. is in a consistent unit of measure.
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#1055811 - 01/15/11 09:03 PM Re: Agave, Maple Syrup, Honey [Re: heidi]
lovely1inred
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Originally Posted By: heidi
ive used agave poeder,hunny,agave nector,powdered maple syrup and maple syrup...they like it all..what tom dose is nail clipping nite tom soaks euck sticks in a mixture of water and one of the above sweets...well im clipping nails there having tasty treats.....i use to put honey in bml but now i use papaya pure. ...yes they get sweets other ways also...yoggies,dehydrated papaya,pineapple,apple...ect...but there all as treats...mine are by far fluffy gliders..but you need to watch the amount of sugar you do give...i swear our papa has diabeties the way he drinks and pees...ive taken him to the vets but theres not a lot of info on sugerglider diebeties...so with him im extra cautious on any sugar he gets natural from fruit or synthetic yogie ...


Have you talked to your vet about using papaya puree in the BML mix? BML already has so much calcium in it, they shouldn't need the extra amount in papaya I wouldn't think.

And yes the amounts quoted above are for a 1 oz portion...they are not listing a % of RDA (recommended daily amount). Boy I wish we had some RDA's for sugar gliders, it would make this whole diet thing a LOT easier on everyone!

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#1057005 - 01/18/11 10:48 AM Re: Agave, Maple Syrup, Honey [Re: sugarlope]
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Originally Posted By: sugarlope
Correct me if I'm wrong here, but the numbers quoted above are for 1 oz of each liquid. They have nothing to do with human versus something else, it is just how much of each vitamin, mineral etc. is in a consistent unit of measure.


yes, sorry for the late response. Just trying to see if all that matters and what thoughts users had on it.

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#1057007 - 01/18/11 10:50 AM Re: Agave, Maple Syrup, Honey [Re: ]
My_Sugar_Fix Offline
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Registered: 12/04/10
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Originally Posted By: heidi

And yes the amounts quoted above are for a 1 oz portion...they are not listing a % of RDA (recommended daily amount). Boy I wish we had some RDA's for sugar gliders, it would make this whole diet thing a LOT easier on everyone!


RDA would be so great!!!!!

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