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#1062140 - 01/28/11 02:45 PM Gliders can't see red light
GliderGuy93 Offline
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I can't remember where I heard this, but the idea was you could use red colored lighting to see your gliders playing at night and not disturb them.
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#1062171 - 01/28/11 03:39 PM Re: Gliders can't see red light [Re: GliderGuy93]
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i have a small blacklight over my cage. you can get the long ones for $10 new at walmart, this is what i use! its great! i can see my babies and they still can play and have fun without brightlights on!
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#1062188 - 01/28/11 04:00 PM Re: Gliders can't see red light [Re: eterrell84]
Holydust
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I read this, too. so I was going to get custom lengths of red LED rope light for my nursery.

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B003AT2...821EK1QNNSTM86F

I'll feel silly if it turns out that they can see it, but... It can't be worse than having a lamp on! laugh

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#1062193 - 01/28/11 04:06 PM Re: Gliders can't see red light [Re: ]
Shelby
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I have a blue version. Aphrodite just acts like its not on. They arnt very bright at all

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#1062229 - 01/28/11 04:53 PM Re: Gliders can't see red light [Re: ]
Holydust
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Originally Posted By: Shelby
I have a blue version. Aphrodite just acts like its not on. They arnt very bright at all


It makes sense, in a way -- I mean, red is at the top of the spectrum, right? Time to do some Googling.

I'm reading that zoos use red light in their nocturnal houses because nocturnal animals can't see red light. It would make sense, then, right?

Edit: Better reasoning given below by sugarlope!


Edited by Holydust (01/28/11 09:47 PM)

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#1062239 - 01/28/11 05:12 PM Re: Gliders can't see red light [Re: GliderGuy93]
xoerikae Offline
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idk. we had a car style set of lights around the old glider room [what youd put under a car] and when it was white, they wouldnt come out; red, theyd play; blue, they became little demons.
now we just replaced the bulbs in the light in our glider room with a red bulb, and we have a lamp with a white bulb in case we need it.
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#1062242 - 01/28/11 05:26 PM Re: Gliders can't see red light [Re: GliderGuy93]
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Two of my gliders find light very aversive and will not play in the tent even if just a single soft lamp is on in the next room. They totally ignore red light bulbs, though! So my experience is that no, they can't see red light.

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#1062247 - 01/28/11 05:37 PM Re: Gliders can't see red light [Re: IslandGliders]
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Those sound like two very good personal confirmations to me! laugh I'd say with that and the zoo's preferences, this is pretty much a "confirmed".


Edited by Holydust (01/28/11 05:37 PM)

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#1062258 - 01/28/11 05:54 PM Re: Gliders can't see red light [Re: GliderGuy93]
Rubym Offline
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Mine dont seem to notice red lights. Between the gliders and my geckos I bet my neighbors wonder whats up with all the red lights in my house at night, lol
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#1062260 - 01/28/11 05:56 PM Re: Gliders can't see red light [Re: GliderGuy93]
xoerikae Offline
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my guess would be its probably similar to why red lights are used in a dark room for photography.
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#1062262 - 01/28/11 05:57 PM Re: Gliders can't see red light [Re: GliderGuy93]
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I've used a red light bulb for almost 3 yrs now and it doesn't seem to affect them at all.
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#1062327 - 01/28/11 08:27 PM Re: Gliders can't see red light [Re: GliderGuy93]
lovely1inred
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Red lights keep our eyes from dilating. I used to go out to star-gaze. We covered the ends of our flashlights with red electrical tape to keep from randomly blinding people all night shuffling from different telescopes. I think there has to be a similar phenomenon for gliders.

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#1062333 - 01/28/11 08:36 PM Re: Gliders can't see red light [Re: GliderGuy93]
GliderGuy93 Offline
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Glad to see we can confirm this one based on all of the findings. I just knew I had heard this somewhere through the years and it turns out there is some truth to it. cool
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#1062370 - 01/28/11 09:31 PM Re: Gliders can't see red light [Re: GliderGuy93]
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I don't think it's as much that they can't see it (at all) as red and blue lights do not seem to bother them like the white and yellow lights do. I have used a blue rope light for about 8 years now. I have a dimmer on the overhead light in their room and even at it's dimmest, they are bothered by it. I put their blue light on and they go about their business as if it's still really dark (but I can see them grin ).
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#1062491 - 01/29/11 03:47 AM Re: Gliders can't see red light [Re: GliderGuy93]
JillMarie Offline
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Will have to experiment on this one myself. I have a flourescent daylight bulb in their room, but it has a shield over it to dim it and block direct rays.
My girls are fine with it that way but the boys still hate it. I will have to try a red bulb and see if the boys are happier
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#1062548 - 01/29/11 10:56 AM Re: Gliders can't see red light [Re: GliderGuy93]
GliderGuy93 Offline
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I would agree with Holydust and sugarlope; since red and blue are towards the end of the spectrum they probably don't bother gliders as much. I would think that these two colors of light are a lot softer than white light.


Edited by GliderGuy93 (01/29/11 10:56 AM)
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#1066635 - 02/04/11 03:30 PM Re: Gliders can't see red light [Re: GliderGuy93]
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I use a red scarf to place over a lamp during play time, they dont mind at all! But if that scarfs not on well then they're not coming out!
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#1066778 - 02/04/11 08:53 PM Re: Gliders can't see red light [Re: sugarlope]
Holydust
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Originally Posted By: sugarlope
I don't think it's as much that they can't see it (at all) as red and blue lights do not seem to bother them like the white and yellow lights do.


I think you're getting into semantics... laugh Why wouldn't red/blue light "bother" them? Because it isn't terribly bright in comparison to white light? That's why we tend to say they can't "see it", because it doesn't radiate as brightly as white light does, and thus, doesn't bother them. If something doesn't bother someone, we tend to say they can't see it enough to be bothered. We're all kind of hinting at the same thing here.

That said, it doesn't really matter. laugh We seem to be in agreement that red/blue dim light = happy, active gliders. So this is good knowledge to have.


Edited by Holydust (02/04/11 08:53 PM)

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#1070374 - 02/11/11 05:03 PM Re: Gliders can't see red light [Re: ]
SariYappa Offline
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Originally Posted By: lovely1inred
Red lights keep our eyes from dilating...

Now this is very interesting, and in my mind, scientific. Did you learn this from an article? I think I have to go google now, to get a confirmation! Thanks Jessica...

Ok... what I found...
red light actually doesn't make your eye "constrict"... because when they "dilate" this will automatically happen to us humans in the dark. I'm still looking further...


Edited by SariYappa (02/11/11 05:08 PM)
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#1070384 - 02/11/11 05:26 PM Re: Gliders can't see red light [Re: GliderGuy93]
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I got this information from a police forum... they were talking about covering their lights in red, and another asked if he could do it in blue, because he 'thought' the red bothered his eyes... here is part of the conversation, and you could read it all HERE if you choose (link to quoted text)

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Q. do all you guys prefer red? red hurts my eyes after awhile. i prefer green or blue. my car has the dome that's white and red w/ the toggle switch. i was thinking about changing it for a blue or green oneYou just maybe need a brighter red light, you may be straining your eyes with too little light.

A. Blue or green (being close to blue in the spectrum) light (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Visible_light) will deminishes your night vision, red has zero effect on night vision. Your rods and cones are no different than any other human.

It's also why when you meet a car with bluish headlights or when you follow a police car running code with blues or why when you look at the pretty blue lights on top during a stop, even momentarily, it's spots you see when you look away and it takes a spell to get your night vision back. The human eyes are especially sensative to blue light, and will see it as brighter, and react by constricting the pupil.
There is even evidence (http://videos.howstuffworks.com/sciencentral/2674-eye-damage-from-blue-light-video.htm) that blue light can damage (http://www.sciencentral.com/articles/view.php3?type=article&article_id=218392616)the eyes.

I first started when we still used red lights on our cars. Yeah, at first the blues looked pretty, but I noticed very soon that they were more irritating and that my night vision was deminished with them. I'ld be more than just pleased if we went back to red myself, not nearly as hard on the eyes and I can see in the dark better, and if something is happening bad there's less chance a passing driver is looking away from them bright blue lights.

And now you know why subs and ships have red lights to use before a sailor goes out on deck at night. The pupils will not constrict with red lights...


It has links in the paragraphs to scientific backup, and the video on this one this one is very interesting...

Thought I'd put this out there, since this is the "Fact or Fiction" forum thumb

Soooo, I think I'd choose red over blue wink
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#1070389 - 02/11/11 05:33 PM Re: Gliders can't see red light [Re: GliderGuy93]
xoerikae Offline
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like i said - when we had the leds that changed colors, the blues turned 'em into little demons. :dunno
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#1070449 - 02/11/11 07:01 PM Re: Gliders can't see red light [Re: xoerikae]
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Originally Posted By: xoerikae
my guess would be its probably similar to why red lights are used in a dark room for photography.


Red light is actually used in the darkroom because black and white film doesn't respond to red light, it responds to blue/green light. Certain types of light sensitive photo paper is not responsive to red light either. Therefore, red light is used in order to avoid exposing the film and paper when processing and printing. It really has nothing to do with our eyes or how we see light.

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#1072529 - 02/16/11 03:04 AM Re: Gliders can't see red light [Re: GliderGuy93]
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I used my blacklight for the first time tonight and it didnt seem to bother him at all, He was more active actually. He didnt try to hide most of the night (I used just a dim desk light before).

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#1073113 - 02/17/11 09:10 AM Re: Gliders can't see red light [Re: GliderGuy93]
Megs
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They most definitely see red. At night I'll put the bathroom light on (which is separated by a hallway and then there's the living room, where the gliders are) and I used a laser and 'run it around' the bottom of the cage or the back of the wall. My gliders go CRAZY trying to catch that red light. TOO cute.

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#1077598 - 02/25/11 10:17 PM Re: Gliders can't see red light [Re: GliderGuy93]
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Yep, I use the laser with my babies too and they can DEFINITELY see it! I agree with the theory that it just isn't as harsh on their eyes as normal white lights no matter what brightness. People used to say the same about dogs, that they were color blind, and that's been proven wrong too.

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#1077607 - 02/25/11 10:29 PM Re: Gliders can't see red light [Re: GliderGuy93]
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so red lights and black lights are ok? or just red light?
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#1084485 - 03/14/11 12:34 PM Re: Gliders can't see red light [Re: GliderGuy93]
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I have a small strand of white Christmas light run around the top of my room. It's a very low light. Almost like the glow of a candle. When those lights are on they think it's time to come out and play. dance
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#1090403 - 03/25/11 11:05 PM Re: Gliders can't see red light [Re: GliderGuy93]
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Interested to hear more on if blacklights are ok for our babies...

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#1090407 - 03/25/11 11:13 PM Re: Gliders can't see red light [Re: GliderGuy93]
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I can't really advise on blacklights but I can tell you that I replaced my overhead bulbs with red bulbs and my gliders no longer go running for the pouches when I flip on the overheads. It's so cool because now I can watch them play to their hearts contant rather than watch their scurring behinds as they dive in thier pouches. ROFL I no longer have to entice them out with gobs of yoggies tho they still expect them when mommy comes to play.
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#1102898 - 04/21/11 05:02 AM Re: Gliders can't see red light [Re: GliderGuy93]
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Just so you know, UV light, a.k.a. "black light, or ultra violet" is fine to use in low power applications but can be a hazard if the source is too powerful. Example, tanning beds.

Red light is often used to observe animals in the wild. It has no direct effect on the pupil and is also safe for nocturnal species.

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