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#1064091 - 01/31/11 06:33 PM Non-stick cookware...toxic?
katieBodn
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I'm not sure if this is the right section to post this into, so feel free to move it smile . I was wondering if cooking with non-stick cookware is really dangerous to our gliders?

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#1064092 - 01/31/11 06:35 PM Re: Non-stick cookware...toxic? [Re: ]
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I kept reading stuff that said its toxic to PEOPLE so I got rid of all mine. Who knows if any of it's really true or not.
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#1064094 - 01/31/11 06:37 PM Re: Non-stick cookware...toxic? [Re: ]
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I have read only if you over heat it, then it gives off toxic fumes. It is only what I have read, I am no expert so wait for one of them to answer you.
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#1064100 - 01/31/11 06:50 PM Re: Non-stick cookware...toxic? [Re: Teresa56]
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Originally Posted By: Teresa56
I have read only if you over heat it, then it gives off toxic fumes. It is only what I have read, I am no expert so wait for one of them to answer you.


This is what I have heard as well; that it's only dangerous should you forget and leave a skillet on a burner that's on.

I just am always very mindful to turn off burners. thumb

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#1064107 - 01/31/11 06:58 PM Re: Non-stick cookware...toxic? [Re: ]
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What you don't know is that it actually "overheats" at a relatively low temperature. So, it can overheat even at normal cooking temperatures.

If you ever go to a bird forum, you will be stunned by the number of pet birds who lose their lives due to the toxic fumes from tefflon and other non-stick coatings.

It is not allowed in my house - because I have a bird. But, it is equally toxic to gliders ... and to humans, actually. We just have much bigger systems, so it would take more poison to kill us. Many people get headaches from tefflon and don't even realize that's what is giving them a headache.
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#1064122 - 01/31/11 07:21 PM Re: Non-stick cookware...toxic? [Re: ]
lovely1inred
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I've cooked with non-stick teflon pans and skillets and not had any problems, and have had gliders on me at the time....never had a problem dunno I think the jury is still out on this one. I can't imagine that mine are a better quality or anything...I buy cheap Walmart stuff a lot...but I don't doubt bird owners losing precious pets either.

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#1064133 - 01/31/11 07:31 PM Re: Non-stick cookware...toxic? [Re: ]
katieBodn
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Oh if it was up to me I would forbid it in our house too, but it's not frown. It's being used pretty often here, but I always make sure that Fluffy is upstairs.

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#1064138 - 01/31/11 07:33 PM Re: Non-stick cookware...toxic? [Re: ]
ValkyrieMome Offline
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Right - and people feed pellet diets or Cheetoh diets and "never have a problem" ... right up until they do!

The jury is NOT out - it is proven that teflon produces toxic gas. You can find many many studies proving this. Additionally, if you use "the cheap stuff" you should know that as soon as it starts flaking off, it also becomes a carcinogen.

You can chose to gamble with the little lives entrusted in your care. But - there is not a doubt that teflon produces toxic gas. That is not something that is debatable.

Further - if it is called "teflon" or something else - all non-stick coatings currently on the market contain the toxic-gas-producing chemicals.

There is a reason canaries are used in coal mines! The body of a bird is basically one feathered air sack. They are extremely efficient - and replace something like 90% of the air in their lungs with each breath. Therefore, they are going to rapidly succumb to any air-born toxin. Perhaps gliders aren't quite as efficient with their breathing - so it might take them 10 or 20 breaths to inhale the same amount of toxin that a bird gets with one.

Are you really going to risk that? Just so you can save a little time and effort on clean up?
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#1064149 - 01/31/11 07:40 PM Re: Non-stick cookware...toxic? [Re: ]
katieBodn
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Originally Posted By: lovely1inred
I've cooked with non-stick teflon pans and skillets and not had any problems, and have had gliders on me at the time....never had a problem dunno


Really? So maybe it's ok if I leave Fluffy on me while I'm near the kitchen dunno ? I feel a little bad for Fluffy if he's in my bra and I have to go put him in his cage pouch because of it... That's why I was asking this question in the first place.

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#1064154 - 01/31/11 07:44 PM Re: Non-stick cookware...toxic? [Re: ValkyrieMome]
katieBodn
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You're right. I don't wanna risk that shakehead

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#1064156 - 01/31/11 07:45 PM Re: Non-stick cookware...toxic? [Re: ]
ValkyrieMome Offline
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Google search "Teflon toxicity."

Here are some facts, from the website tuberose.com/teflon :

"In two to five minutes on a conventional stovetop, cookware coated with Teflon and other non-stick surfaces can exceed temperatures at which the coating breaks apart and emits toxic particles and gases linked to hundreds, perhaps thousands, of pet bird deaths and an unknown number of human illnesses each year."

The article goes on from there ... it is pretty clear. The gas releases EIGHT known carcinogens.
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#1064179 - 01/31/11 08:10 PM Re: Non-stick cookware...toxic? [Re: ]
North_Nocturne Offline
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What about the new generation of non-stick cookware like Green Pan?
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#1064675 - 02/01/11 03:32 PM Re: Non-stick cookware...toxic? [Re: ]
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Green pan?

I also think that birds are more sensitive, I am thinking the reason may be that when they breath, they actually use their BONES as well. The airs passes through their bones, so is absorbed faster in the body (read that in an Audubon book by the way)

I am very careful in my house when using teflon, to not let it heat empty.
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#1065238 - 02/02/11 02:32 PM Re: Non-stick cookware...toxic? [Re: ]
MJ111
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Scratched Teflon cookware is especially dangerous because the heat brings out the cancer-causing chemicals even moreso when scratched (or something along those lines) i have heard and read online . . .

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#1065342 - 02/02/11 05:04 PM Re: Non-stick cookware...toxic? [Re: ]
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That's true from what I know as well...never use metal silverware/utensils on teflon if you're going to use it.
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#1065445 - 02/02/11 08:00 PM Re: Non-stick cookware...toxic? [Re: sunjana1]
Tyger
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I've also heard that Teflon and non-stick coated pans are toxic. I have a couple that I got as wedding presents and I'm in the process of replacing them with stainless steel.

The gases emitted during cooking can kill birds and small rodents quickly, so I'd assume that sugar gliders would be susceptible as well.

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#1065798 - 02/03/11 11:05 AM Re: Non-stick cookware...toxic? [Re: JillMarie]
North_Nocturne Offline
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Originally Posted By: JillMarie
Green pan?


Green Pan is non-stick cookware that doesn't use Teflon, it uses Thermolon. It's sold by HSN.
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#1075350 - 02/21/11 07:46 PM Re: Non-stick cookware...toxic? [Re: ]
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This is good information to know.. So if you cook with those pots and pans and have one of those vents above your stove that you use when you cook, does it make a difference? I'd leave a sugar glider in the room before I'd take it out and start cooking. I'd be too nervous something could happen lol.
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#1124365 - 06/05/11 05:42 PM Re: Non-stick cookware...toxic? [Re: ]
target1911
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I hate non-stick lined pans anyway...and I've always heard they were very toxic. I preferred cast iron or stainless.

My dad almost killed one of his African Grey Parrots by over heating a teflon pan. The bird let out a loud scream like he was in pain and my dad noticed the pan. I don't remember what else happened to the bird but he pulled through. My Dad also cleared the house of all coated pans.

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#1124918 - 06/06/11 05:11 PM Re: Non-stick cookware...toxic? [Re: ]
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Beware of oven clearers too. Fumes are very toxic to small animals.
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#1199967 - 12/04/11 10:45 AM Re: Non-stick cookware...toxic? [Re: ]
rebecca_ide
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Would it be better to move my sugargliders to another room and close the door when cooking? i live in a garage apartment.

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#1200648 - 12/05/11 07:25 PM Re: Non-stick cookware...toxic? [Re: ]
west721love
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it's crazy to know that people would make something that when heated can release toxic chemicals..and then use it for cooking pans.. it just doesnt make much sense lol. My mom recently got rediagnosed with breast cancer so we promptly threw away all of our teflon pans and whatnot. it's just not worth the risks, and honeslty I think regular pans are easier to clean. Teflon always seemed greasy even after cleaning them.

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#1200732 - 12/05/11 09:18 PM Re: Non-stick cookware...toxic? [Re: ]
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I have been moving away from all non stick ware and going to either glass or cast iron. Cast iron is very non stick if it is seasoned well and not washed with soap.sounds nasty but it is the truth smile
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#1200870 - 12/06/11 06:39 AM Re: Non-stick cookware...toxic? [Re: ]
eshaw Offline
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I'd think if it posed a problem, wouldn't there be a warning label on the cookware?????

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#1200887 - 12/06/11 08:09 AM Re: Non-stick cookware...toxic? [Re: ]
Kaylee
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This was sent in reply to some thing I was ranting about on another (I was going on about apple juice and teflon and how do we ever know whats really safe and blah blah blah, it was 4 in the morning and I dont actually remember the point I was trying to make xD ) But if this helps one way or the other or even not at all, I'd like to know what y'all think. I never once in my previous post said any thing about cancer or PFOA (idk what that is. I'm guessing the poison?) Here it is...

Quote:
Sara said...
I applaud the idea of creating a safer home, and because there's so much misinformation out there about the TeflonŽ brand, I'm not surprised that you are concerned. I'm a representative of DuPont though, and hope you'll let me share some information with you and your readers, so that everyone can make truly informed decisions.

In regards to PFOA and cancer - The weight of evidence gathered from a number of significant health studies continues to indicate to us that there is no health risk to the general public from exposure to PFOA. Additionally, no authoritative body has designated PFOA as a human carcinogen. The U.S. EPA stated that it is premature to conclude that PFOA causes cancer. For more information, please visit www.epa.gov/oppt/pfoa/pubs/pfoarisk.html. http://www.docstoc.com/docs/100656224/Consumer-Reports---June-2007
and www.pfoa.dupont.com can provide you with additional information.


Edited by Kaylee (12/06/11 08:11 AM)

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#1202123 - 12/08/11 04:46 PM Re: Non-stick cookware...toxic? [Re: ]
SugarBlossoms Offline
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I will stick to the "when in doubt, throw it out" on this one and that's exactly what I did many years ago. I use cast iron or stainless steel.

Sugar Gliders should not be in an area you are cooking, no matter what you are cooking with. Just like a human child, it would only take that one split second for a tragedy to happen.
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#1235453 - 03/05/12 12:32 AM Re: Non-stick cookware...toxic? [Re: ]
MeganAnn
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I agree, I think it's crazy that that can be made. I don't use the spray anyway, but I'm glad that this fear has been reienforced and is poseted here as a warning. Thanks everyone!

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#1235577 - 03/05/12 11:41 AM Re: Non-stick cookware...toxic? [Re: ]
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No one spoke to the Orgeeenic pan "green pan" as mentioned above. Does anyone know? I have 2 of these.
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#1235584 - 03/05/12 12:04 PM Re: Non-stick cookware...toxic? [Re: ColonyMama]
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yes it is toxic. I have a macaw and I can not cook with any or it could potentinally kill him. I also can not bake in my oven over 396 or use my self cleaning oven. That is all non stick as well and could kill my macaw.


Now for humans it is still bad. Many chip over time and that get into the food you eat! shock

the EPA has asked for their complete withdrawal from the marketplace by 2015.

I use stainless steel or Cast iron

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#1236151 - 03/06/12 04:34 PM Re: Non-stick cookware...toxic? [Re: ]
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I didn't even know about this! Thanks so much for this info! I will now need to go through my pots and pans....
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