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#1067665 - 02/06/11 05:45 PM Blended Diet Concerns - Part One
Adri Offline
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In the recent month I have been contacted by several breeders needing help, all these breeders were feeding the Blended diet. After being on the Blended diet for 6 months to a year these breeders started noticing poor coat health, reduced activity, loss of weight in adults, very small joeys, parents with no previous history of rejection and or cannibalization all of a sudden started rejecting and and cannibalizing, lactating mothers not having sufficient milk to sustain her joeys. These are all valid accounts and not here say. This is not an attempt to bash a diet but an honest concern for the well being of gliders, mainly those in a breeding environment.
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#1067671 - 02/06/11 06:02 PM Re: Blended Diet Concerns - Part One [Re: Adri]
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wow, i had not heard of this. i hope if ther is something going on that it can be corrected if need be. i'm not much help as i do not feed this diet. i hope other's come by to help you out !
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#1067675 - 02/06/11 06:05 PM Re: Blended Diet Concerns - Part One [Re: Adri]
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Adri, can you elaborate on the number of gliders and how long the issue(s) have been going on? Also, what version of the diet? It's my understanding there are three different blends of Blended diet...someone please correct me if I am wrong.

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#1067676 - 02/06/11 06:05 PM Re: Blended Diet Concerns - Part One [Re: Adri]
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I know there are several versions of the Blended. Have you noted if they are all the same version? If so which version?
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#1067688 - 02/06/11 06:27 PM Re: Blended Diet Concerns - Part One [Re: Adri]
Adri Offline
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Jessica, I have just been contacted in the last month by several breeders, one the breeders was feeding ver #4 and the regular version.
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#1067692 - 02/06/11 06:44 PM Re: Blended Diet Concerns - Part One [Re: Adri]
IslandGliders Offline
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This really frightens me. I just switched to the blended diet about a month ago, from BML (my gliders had stopped eating it).

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#1067693 - 02/06/11 06:48 PM Re: Blended Diet Concerns - Part One [Re: IslandGliders]
WintersSong Offline
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Originally Posted By: ParadiseOnCall
This really frightens me. I just switched to the blended diet about a month ago, from BML (my gliders had stopped eating it).


Don't get scared just yet. You will hear health concerns about every diet out there.
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#1067694 - 02/06/11 06:49 PM Re: Blended Diet Concerns - Part One [Re: Adri]
WintersSong Offline
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Originally Posted By: Adri
Jessica, I have just been contacted in the last month by several breeders, one the breeders was feeding ver #4 and the regular version.


Can you clarify how many "several" is?
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#1067698 - 02/06/11 07:01 PM Re: Blended Diet Concerns - Part One [Re: Adri]
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There are five different breeders with a total of close to 70 gliders affected.
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#1067701 - 02/06/11 07:04 PM Re: Blended Diet Concerns - Part One [Re: WintersSong]
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Please make sure you read our policy on Diet Bashing paying particular attention to the quote below:

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diet bashing will not be tolerated. If you wish to promote a diet then do it on fact rather than by directly or indirectly flaming another diet. If you have something negative to say about BML or any other diet, then be prepared to have GC administration approve your proof before you post. We suggest you research diets and choose the one you believe best for your gliders.


We ask that everyone not panic as we have no first hand information regarding what has been posted.

Please remember when feeding any diet, other than your vet, the person you should contact when there are unexpected side effects is the creator of the diet.

We do not know if Candy is even aware of any problems.
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#1067703 - 02/06/11 07:10 PM Re: Blended Diet Concerns - Part One [Re: Adri]
Marsupial_Mayhem Offline
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Neither have I until today, Anri. A mutual friend of mine and yours contacted me today to tell me every thing from loss of hair to underweight joeys and rejected joeys. She is the first one I have ever heard about it from. This person is the only one I have heard this from.

I have fed the Blended diet now since May of last year. I currently have 36 adults and various joeys.

All I can say is that all my gliders are healthy, fur good, no dehydration, no rejected joeys. I have two males that are half brothers that are both weaned. They are both huge.

All of my gliders are doing very well. All females who are breeding age are breeding. To date, no health issues.

I think it's very important that Candy hear this. I will invite her to the conversation.


Edited by Marsupial_Mayhem (02/06/11 07:10 PM)
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#1067706 - 02/06/11 07:13 PM Re: Blended Diet Concerns - Part One [Re: WintersSong]
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Originally Posted By: WintersSong
Originally Posted By: ParadiseOnCall
This really frightens me. I just switched to the blended diet about a month ago, from BML (my gliders had stopped eating it).


Don't get scared just yet. You will hear health concerns about every diet out there.


That is correct, each diet will have its day(s) under a microscope. Fact is, no one knows what is best and no one diet is best for every glider.

Over the years I have seen people say, i feed xxx diet but don't mention the variations they made and the 2 pounds of treats added each week that alone can play a huge factor.
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#1067715 - 02/06/11 07:24 PM Re: Blended Diet Concerns - Part One [Re: Adri]
snowbabygliders Offline
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so far, i believe there are 5 breeders i know of including myself... i would guess combined gliders including joeys affected to be between 60-70 gliders maybe if you take into acct the joeys that were lost or were affected as well. As a breeder with 20 gliders, that all seem to breed around the same time, I can say i normally have 5-10 gliders at least oop at a time, and some ip. This is not about bashing a diet, so please know that, and this is not about bashing the creator. It is about getting down to what may be amiss asap and hopefully by posting what symptoms and what happened, if there is actually something amiss in the diet, we can save a glider's life. With very similar symptoms arising from totally different breeders, it does seem to be diet related.
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#1067717 - 02/06/11 07:28 PM Re: Blended Diet Concerns - Part One [Re: Adri]
Marsupial_Mayhem Offline
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I am writing all my friends who currently feed the diet so we can get their input as well.

There is only one I know of with issues. If they would just write on here their experiences, we would know of more.

I am just very confused. I have no issues at all with my gliders and all my joeys are healthy.
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#1067718 - 02/06/11 07:30 PM Re: Blended Diet Concerns - Part One [Re: Adri]
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Kristy -- can you share what problems your own gliders have been having? Is it only your breeding pairs and their joeys, or all of your gliders?
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#1067719 - 02/06/11 07:31 PM Re: Blended Diet Concerns - Part One [Re: Adri]
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I haven't contacted Adri - but I recently switched back to modified-HPW from Blended.

I didn't lose any joeys. But I noticed an extreme decrease in activity and poor coat conditions. My gliders' started looking scrawny to me. But it is the decreased activity that caused me to switch back. I have 20 gliders, 4 of whom are currently breeding, but last month had 4 breeding pairs.

I have spoken with 3 other breeders who have also switched back for the same reasons.

I don't know if those are on Adri's list or not - but I suspect they are.
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#1067721 - 02/06/11 07:35 PM Re: Blended Diet Concerns - Part One [Re: Adri]
ValkyrieMome Offline
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*Add: Until I spoke to Kristy and two other "glider friends", I had attributed the changes in my gliders to be seasonal, or maybe humidity.

When 4 of us realized we were all seeing the same things, in different climates, etc, I decided to change.
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#1067722 - 02/06/11 07:36 PM Re: Blended Diet Concerns - Part One [Re: ValkyrieMome]
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We have only ONE person in this thread so far with first hand information.

Kristy, have your gliders been vet checked? What were the results? Have you had any deaths? If so, was there a necropsy? Results?
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#1067723 - 02/06/11 07:36 PM Re: Blended Diet Concerns - Part One [Re: Adri]
Marsupial_Mayhem Offline
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Ok. Have any of you sent the information to Candy.

It's really important for her to understand what is going on here and to see the vet records as well if you have them.

Just coming on here and talking about is fine, but Candy really needs to be made aware of what is going on and maybe she can help put a finger on it.
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#1067724 - 02/06/11 07:37 PM Re: Blended Diet Concerns - Part One [Re: Adri]
snowbabygliders Offline
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Hi Danielle.. wave do you add anything extra into the diet besides how it is written? of course, besides the occasional treat. Anything on a more regular basis or anything that may be providing additional nutrients to the diet? Thanks so much wink
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#1067725 - 02/06/11 07:38 PM Re: Blended Diet Concerns - Part One [Re: KarenE]
KarenE Offline
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Alden, you also switched because you think your gliders also showed effects of their diet. Were they vet checked or did you do what most of us would probably do and just make the switch?
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#1067727 - 02/06/11 07:42 PM Re: Blended Diet Concerns - Part One [Re: Adri]
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This is a very important topic and hopefully everyone can work together to get to the root of things. As long as facts are given and not assumptions/speculations we can hopefully figure it out. Please keep any personal issues out as well as bashing of the diet. We can discuss these things without bashing and drama since we are adults here.

This is not directed to any post here, we know how heated things can get when diets are involved. Please notify us if you see something not right and let us handle it.

I think those who have been seeing the issue should post what it is they are seeing happen so we can all collaborate and get to the bottom of this. Post the facts (variations, supplements,etc), anything else will just steer the focus away from figuring out what may be happening.
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#1067728 - 02/06/11 07:44 PM Re: Blended Diet Concerns - Part One [Re: Adri]
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Karen- they were vet checked, actually. At least some of them - not all 20. The adults had lost weight, and the joeys - who were 10-12 weeks at the time of the check - were underweight, according to the vet. All had a fecal performed and it came back negative for any parasites.

Again, the most concerning sign for me was the lack of activity. My gliders wake up comparatively early - by 5:30 in the winter. They are up and playing until around midnight, then snooze until 1:30 or 2 - then play until around dawn. That has been their predictable schedule for quite some time.

I noticed that most cages were sleeping until 8 or later - and that the ones that were awake earlier were back to bed by 10 or so. All cages were taking 4-5 hour "naps" during the night, and playing considerably less. Less wheel running. Less bells jingling.

EDIT TO ADD: I feed the Variation without eggs? I think it is #2...


Edited by ValkyrieMome (02/06/11 07:46 PM)
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#1067732 - 02/06/11 07:49 PM Re: Blended Diet Concerns - Part One [Re: Adri]
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Okay -- Alden, and anyone else who had this problem and switched back to another diet, have you noticed an improvement in your gliders since you got them off of the blended diet?
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#1067734 - 02/06/11 07:49 PM Re: Blended Diet Concerns - Part One [Re: Adri]
Marsupial_Mayhem Offline
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Ok. Have any of you sent the information to Candy.

It's really important for her to understand what is going on here and to see the vet records as well if you have them.

Just coming on here and talking about is fine, but Candy really needs to be made aware of what is going on and maybe she can help put a finger on it.
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#1067736 - 02/06/11 07:52 PM Re: Blended Diet Concerns - Part One [Re: Adri]
Marsupial_Mayhem Offline
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Yes. I do add protein once a week. I also add the glider booster milk each night, a sprinkle on top of the food.

Maybe this is why I am not having issues? I really can't tell you the reason.

All I can say is I have been very worried about it since you wrote me about it. I don't want to harm my gliders, but at the same time, they are all doing so good.
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#1067737 - 02/06/11 07:52 PM Re: Blended Diet Concerns - Part One [Re: Adri]
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I haven't contacted Candy.

And I haven't seen improvement, as I'm only one batch into the switch back to HPW. This was all extremely recent for me.

I was waiting to see if I noticed a change once I was back on HPW before I contacted Candy...
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and very many great gliders!

(plus the 2 skin kids)
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#1067741 - 02/06/11 07:58 PM Re: Blended Diet Concerns - Part One [Re: Adri]
Marsupial_Mayhem Offline
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I see. I just find this whole thing very upsetting.

I am not sure what I will do.
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#1067745 - 02/06/11 08:01 PM Re: Blended Diet Concerns - Part One [Re: Marsupial_Mayhem]
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Originally Posted By: Marsupial_Mayhem
Ok. Have any of you sent the information to Candy.

It's really important for her to understand what is going on here and to see the vet records as well if you have them.

Just coming on here and talking about is fine, but Candy really needs to be made aware of what is going on and maybe she can help put a finger on it.


Yes, it is very important that Candy gets any vet records and such.
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#1067751 - 02/06/11 08:11 PM Re: Blended Diet Concerns - Part One [Re: Adri]
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I had my gliders on the Blended diet and I followed it to the T for 8 months. I have recently switched back to HPW diet. When I first started the Blended my gliders looked great and loved it. But within 6 months I had 3 rejected joey's and my gliders fur was all cracked and I mean bad cracked, They also were not comming out to play at night. At the time I had 12 gliders they all had cracked fur and showed severe energy loss. Within 2 weeks of switching back to the HPW diet almost all of my gliders were back to normal. High energy levels, Their Fur is soft full and fluffy again.


Edited by jen102375 (02/06/11 08:49 PM)
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