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#1115539 - 05/18/11 01:58 AM How to differentiate Australian/Indonesian glider?
kapan Offline
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hello everybody..im new in this forum,please guide me if im wrongly posted a new thread here..

as far as i know, sugar glider are native to Australia, Tasmania, New Guinea, and the neighboring islands of Indonesia. Sugar gliders can be found in wooded forests where there is plenty of rainfall and where Acacia Gum and Eucalyptus trees are found, as in the wild, that is their main food source.

my question is, how would it be characterized physically according to their origin country?? because some of the breeder here claims that their joey are Australian breed which is rare here..most of glider here were originated from Indonesia..

anybody can enlight me? thanks in advance!

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#1115549 - 05/18/11 02:46 AM Re: How to differentiate Australian/Indonesian glider? [Re: kapan]
JillMarie Offline
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Wow what a great question.

Sure am waiting anxiously for someone to pop up with a good answer.

I may have to email a friend about this one...
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#1115555 - 05/18/11 03:02 AM Re: How to differentiate Australian/Indonesian glider? [Re: kapan]
kapan Offline
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thanks for your reply JillMarie

all right,im waiting.. = )


psst; i've heard that australian breed are quiet bigger and heavier in size compared to other breed..does it true?

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#1115557 - 05/18/11 03:05 AM Re: How to differentiate Australian/Indonesian glider? [Re: kapan]
Rhompee
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or else. it the white sugar glider is the be the species or because it is albino

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#1115574 - 05/18/11 03:42 AM Re: How to differentiate Australian/Indonesian glider? [Re: kapan]
Gizmogirl Offline
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Hi Kepan and welcome to Glider Central! wave

Very interesting question indeed. I am moving this topic to Behavior & anatomy for you. thumb
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#1115595 - 05/18/11 04:42 AM Re: How to differentiate Australian/Indonesian glider? [Re: kapan]
kapan Offline
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@rhompee - i think white suggies are species and albino are not..i'm just guessing ;p

gizmo >> thanks a bunch mis mod!! laugh

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#1115596 - 05/18/11 04:43 AM Re: How to differentiate Australian/Indonesian glider? [Re: kapan]
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#1116016 - 05/18/11 10:23 PM Re: How to differentiate Australian/Indonesian glider? [Re: kapan]
kapan Offline
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nobody is helping..i have done googling around but theres no hint i get.. helppp

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#1116066 - 05/19/11 12:22 AM Re: How to differentiate Australian/Indonesian glider? [Re: kapan]
Janet_803
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Hi,
I am new here too. I found a web site called S&S Gliders that have the Caramel colored Indonesian gliders. The lady talks about her travels over there and it is interesting to read about the gliders. Seems they are a new sub-species. Hope this helps. smile

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#1116094 - 05/19/11 03:02 AM Re: How to differentiate Australian/Indonesian glider? [Re: kapan]
Kayla Offline
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http://www.glidercentral.net/ubbthreads/ubbthreads.php/topics/1105628/1

Check out that thread. Marz lives in australia, maybe you can send a PM with your questions!! That thread also shows pictures of some gliders from australia & they deff look different smile
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#1116095 - 05/19/11 03:04 AM Re: How to differentiate Australian/Indonesian glider? [Re: kapan]
Kayla Offline
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btw janet, S&S is a mill breeder. I too read about her carmel gliders. Tyler (gliderboygliders) also has some as well.... there are a few threads about them, just use the search feature smile
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#1117940 - 05/23/11 02:14 AM Re: How to differentiate Australian/Indonesian glider? [Re: kapan]
kapan Offline
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allright thanks for that link..it helps alot ;D

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#1121469 - 05/30/11 10:49 PM Re: How to differentiate Australian/Indonesian glider? [Re: kapan]
kapan Offline
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anyway as addition, this video helps alot too!

http://[non_supported_link]/watch?v=5ZusPLqFbkk utube ;p

we can clearly seen the suggies natives from Aus are big in sized, darker in colour, had a round face and etc..just sharing!


Edited by kapan (05/30/11 10:51 PM)

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#1121489 - 05/30/11 11:35 PM Re: How to differentiate Australian/Indonesian glider? [Re: kapan]
suggiemom1980 Offline
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Here's the video. Just click to play.


dunno Works in preview but not in the thread?


Edited by suggiemom1980 (05/30/11 11:38 PM)
Edit Reason: Link won't work
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#1121513 - 05/31/11 12:08 AM Re: How to differentiate Australian/Indonesian glider? [Re: kapan]
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I think I am going to keep my eye on this thread!
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#1121522 - 05/31/11 12:39 AM Re: How to differentiate Australian/Indonesian glider? [Re: kapan]
Megs
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There's only one type of sugar glider. But there are species of GLIDERS.
For instance, white sugar gliders (leucistics) and standard grays are both sugar gliders, just different colors.

Then there are glider species.

Your sugar glider of course.

Feathertail Glider
Natural Habitat: eastern seaboard of Australia




Squirrel Glider
Natural Habitat: south-eastern Australia




Greater Glider
Natural Habitat: southern Queensland, eastern Australia, southeastern New South Wales, and the montane forests of the Victorian central highlands.




Mahogany Glider:
Natural Habitat: between Ollera Creek south of Ingham and Tully in North Queensland, Australia.




Yellow Bellied Glider
Natural Habitat: altitudes over 700m above sea level. With natural discontinuities and habitat clearing there are 13 different populations in three distinct places to find this glider. One population resides on Mount Windsor Tableland, another on Mount Carbine Tableland, and the third lives in a linear habitat going from Atherton to Kirrama on the Atherton Tableland. These three populations together are estimated to contain around 6000 individual gliders. With their habitat in danger the Yellow-bellied Glider is classified as uncommon to rare and is named vulnerable to the tropics.


(Info gathered primarily from Wiki)

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#1121523 - 05/31/11 12:44 AM Re: How to differentiate Australian/Indonesian glider? [Re: kapan]
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#1121578 - 05/31/11 03:38 AM Re: How to differentiate Australian/Indonesian glider? [Re: kapan]
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#1121579 - 05/31/11 03:39 AM Re: How to differentiate Australian/Indonesian glider? [Re: kapan]
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There you go Kapan. smile
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#1121723 - 05/31/11 12:21 PM Re: How to differentiate Australian/Indonesian glider? [Re: kapan]
suggiemom1980 Offline
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How breathtaking, to see them in the wild!!! Loved the white tip too!
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#1121743 - 05/31/11 01:07 PM Re: How to differentiate Australian/Indonesian glider? [Re: suggiemom1980]
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Originally Posted By: suggiemom1980
How breathtaking, to see them in the wild!!! Loved the white tip too!


I agree!! That video was great watching them, especially when the tail would come in and under like its going to stop them when they hit the tree lol.
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#1121789 - 05/31/11 02:27 PM Re: How to differentiate Australian/Indonesian glider? [Re: ]
Marz Offline
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Originally Posted By: Megs
There's only one type of sugar glider.


There are different subspecies of sugar gliders. My own are Petaurus breviceps breviceps . I've lost count the times people from the US have told me I have squirrel gliders because they look different to the ones they own.... grin

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#1121803 - 05/31/11 03:01 PM Re: How to differentiate Australian/Indonesian glider? [Re: kapan]
Megs
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I can't find out anything about petaurus breviceps breviceps. dunno

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#1121813 - 05/31/11 03:16 PM Re: How to differentiate Australian/Indonesian glider? [Re: ]
Marz Offline
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Originally Posted By: Megs
I can't find out anything about petaurus breviceps breviceps. dunno


In Australia we have three subspecies.

Petaurus breviceps breviceps (Waterhouse, 1839)
Petaurus breviceps longicaudatus (Longman, 1924)
Petaurus breviceps ariel (Gould, 1842)

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#1121823 - 05/31/11 03:24 PM Re: How to differentiate Australian/Indonesian glider? [Re: kapan]
Megs
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Have any web links? I was looking for links to read about them. ohwell

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#1121844 - 05/31/11 03:55 PM Re: How to differentiate Australian/Indonesian glider? [Re: ]
Marz Offline
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Originally Posted By: Megs
Have any web links? I was looking for links to read about them. ohwell


You could probably find something but whether it's accurate or not is another thing. Wikipedia for instance lists the Petaurus breviceps biacensis as a sugar glider sub- species it is actually Petaurus biacensis - not a sugar glider at all. Their listing of the New Guinea glider subspecies is also incorrect but that's understandable as there has been less research there and even one author over the years has changed his listings as he researched gliders in PNG himself.

I tend to stay away from web references sticking mostly to research papers and text books for my information. They aren't always correct either but least it's not tainted by laymen adding thier own interpretations to things. Only drawback is the money I have spent of the 400+ books and magazines. My husband patiently keeps building me bookshelves grin

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#1121849 - 05/31/11 03:59 PM Re: How to differentiate Australian/Indonesian glider? [Re: kapan]
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bozeman,
that video was great. loved to see the gliders glide like
that.

regards,
nancy in detroit
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#1121866 - 05/31/11 04:26 PM Re: How to differentiate Australian/Indonesian glider? [Re: kapan]
Mikayla
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Wow... learn something new every day.
And on this mammalian classification site they even have 4 subspecies listed : http://www.bucknell.edu/msw3/browse.asp?id=11000157

SUBSPECIES breviceps
SUBSPECIES ariel
SUBSPECIES longicaudatus
SUBSPECIES papuanus

Hmmm... wonder where they found the 4th one??? wink

edit:sorry to repeat, my reading comprehension skills are lacking


Edited by Mikayla (05/31/11 04:28 PM)

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#1121871 - 05/31/11 04:30 PM Re: How to differentiate Australian/Indonesian glider? [Re: ]
Marz Offline
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Originally Posted By: Mikayla
Wow... learn something new every day.
And on this mammalian classification site they even have 4 subspecies listed : http://www.bucknell.edu/msw3/browse.asp?id=11000157

SUBSPECIES breviceps
SUBSPECIES ariel
SUBSPECIES longicaudatus
SUBSPECIES papuanus

Hmmm... wonder where they found the 4th one??? wink


The first three are Australian

The fourth one is the Papua New Guinea (also Indon) species of which there are supposively two subspecies of that ..the flavidus and the tafa

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#1121877 - 05/31/11 04:40 PM Re: How to differentiate Australian/Indonesian glider? [Re: kapan]
Mikayla
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So there are a total of 5 subspecies between the Australian and PNG/Indon gliders? So are they all mixed up in the US? Does anyone here know what subspecies of glider they own aside from Marz?

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