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#11172 - 10/27/03 03:52 PM Wet Fur, Losing Hair, Fur Color Change!!!
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I will get a picture up as soon as I can. I have two joeys from Aphrodities litter that have had wet fur. They began to lose their hair around the base of their tails. The color of their fur changed from a pure white belly and white highlights of a normal coloration to a very deep cinnamon brown. They were 4 weeks OOP when these symptoms onset and I took themn to a vet. The vet prescribed baytril Liquid. .2 mL twice a day for ten days. Seven days after administering that for seven days there was no effect and the fur was still wet. I thought that this amount was incorrect but it was written on the label. I called the vet and said it was not working and that the amount seemed high. The vet confirmed she wrote the wrong amount on the baytril and that I was infact suppose to be giving .02 mL twice a day for 10 days. After that I returned to the vet to change meds, because if overdosing the glider, no fault of myown, did not stop the infection then the meds needed to be changed. So we switched to ditrim. I was to give it for ten days. After 7-8 days I noticed no change and on top of that two more of my joeys contracted this bacteria. I went in today to get a cytology done. The vet started off with a fecal float and smear. After that she did a gram test. She saw multiple bacteria and identified two of them as: Gram Positive Clostridium and Gram Negative E. coli. She was unsure of the third but thinks it is Campylobacter. I was given amoxocillin to give orally twice a day for 10 days. I will keep the board up to date as to the progress of these joeys.

There are three possible sources of the bacteria:

The water. I clean my water bottles every day and once a week with bleach. One day when I dumped out the water bottel the water smelled rotten. I bleach the bottle before returning it to the cage. I think that the water might have been contaminated. We get city water. I think we might have gotten bad water and that started the outbreak.

Their cage floor. The style of cage I use has a drop in grate that does not adaquately keep the catch material awayfrom the gliders. It was to the point of having the grate rest on top of the substrate. The gliders had access to their feces and urine and fallen food particles. I have since made a modification and raised up the fall through grate assuring the gliders have no access to their feces. I spot clean daily, clean my cages weekly, and bleach my cages monthly.

My Work. I work in the seafood and meat department of a local grocery store. I routenely handle raw fish and meat. I clean the meat department and that involves dumping the daily meat disgaurds into the bulk meat barrel that houses meats that may have been sitting there for a week. I walk throught the meats and fish that has fallen on the floor. I get a variety of raw meats on my shoes, clothes, and skin. I routenely wash up but I feel that I might have brought home this bacteria on my shoes or clothes. I have informed work of this outbreak and as such will not be going to work until the outbreak is gone.

I have been in close contact with Judie Haussmann as some one had brought her gliders suffering from the same symptoms as mine. She has lost one that these people brought her already and another one is very ill. I am warning everybody to watch out for wet fur, fur discoloration, and weight loss. If you are experienceing these symptoms go to your vet immediatly.

Ushuaia

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#11173 - 10/27/03 04:57 PM Re: Wet Fur, Losing Hair, Fur Color Change!!! [Re: ]
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You didn't specify which Clostridium species, but it would be interesting to know. Clostridium difficile often occurs as bowel overgrowth in humans on antibiotics. Obviously Clostridium tetani is the famous tetanus agent that we get our boosters for to prevent lockjaw. (I think we all assume HLP is due to calcium deficiency, but I always wonder about known bacterial mediators of musculoskeletal activity that could explain some things not linked to calcium.) Clostridium perfringes can cause gangrene. E coli is everywhere, most species have an abundance in their intestinal tracts. And Campylobacter species are not an infrequent bug on the Peds wards causing diarrhea.

You don't have to have exotic jobs or unusual practices to get them. Several of the possibilities you named are with us or in us all the time. One of these bugs can get in a sore and take off, even with perfectly sound hygiene. Sometimes a particular strain of a normally wimpy bacteria can be quite invasive and nasty. A mixed infection can be trickier to eradicate because you might have to knock out both bugs, sometimes requiring a combination of antibiotics. Other times one bug is the culprit and the others are just opportunistically growing in a wet wound. I wonder if your vet ever uses topical preps like bactroban on mycitracin. A large amount can be put right on the affected area without adversely affecting the gut flora. Some of these agents can be used if wiped off so that little can be ingested, perhaps with a mutilation collar to prevent licking? Separate cages to keep the neighbors from eating it. Neomycin in the mycitracin is not usually well absorbed in humans, so little gets to the bloodstream. Since your vet is culturing the microorganisms, you are well on your way to finding out what it is, a first and necessary step to clearing it up. Good luck, and keep us posted.

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#11174 - 10/27/03 09:16 PM Re: Wet Fur, Losing Hair, Fur Color Change!!! [Re: ]
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Wow! How awful for your babys and you to have to go through all this. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/frown.gif" alt="" />
Thanks for the warning.
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#11175 - 10/27/03 09:34 PM Re: Wet Fur, Losing Hair, Fur Color Change!!! [Re: ]
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I do not have the cages nor the space to seprate all of my gliders. I have a total of 4 joeys showing signs and at two parents per cage that is 8 gliders needing treatment. I will do my best, but the lab work will not be done until I can get back with another sample. I will use the antibiotics I have been given in the meantime. I really hope these joeys make a full recovery.

Ushuaia

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#11176 - 10/27/03 10:17 PM Re: Wet Fur, Losing Hair, Fur Color Change!!! [Re: ]
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Chris called me this afternoon. The bacteria's that his gliders have is Clostridium difficle and Campylobacter.



Edited by Judie (10/27/03 11:51 PM)
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#11177 - 10/27/03 10:41 PM Re: Wet Fur, Losing Hair, Fur Color Change!!! *DELETED* [Re: ]
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#11178 - 10/27/03 10:50 PM Re: Wet Fur, Losing Hair, Fur Color Change!!! [Re: ]
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#11179 - 10/27/03 11:42 PM Re: Wet Fur, Losing Hair, Fur Color Change!!! [Re: ]
Judie Offline
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Thanks, Ellen. Can you post a link for Clostridium difficle?

From my understanding of Clostridium difficle...it is brought about when the intestional tract is stripped of it's normal bacterial flora from an antibiotic.


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#11180 - 10/27/03 11:46 PM Re: Wet Fur, Losing Hair, Fur Color Change!!! [Re: ]
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http://healthlink.mcw.edu/article/954992292.html There are many more on googles about this. But I thought this was good. It's prety basic.

http://aolsearch.aol.com/aol/search?query=Clostridium+difficile&invocationType=spelling here is a whole page and more.
Hope this helps


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#11181 - 10/29/03 08:07 AM Re: Wet Fur, Losing Hair, Fur Color Change!!! [Re: ]
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Chris, you were [playing around with their diets for some study you were doing regarding the joey developement, what changes have you made? and when?
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#11182 - 10/29/03 10:53 PM Re: Wet Fur, Losing Hair, Fur Color Change!!! [Re: ]
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The Leadbeaters portion of the BML plan remained the same as well as the fruits and vegetable portion. I fed either: boiled chicken, egg, or yogurt as a protein sources. Go to the following page to see a typical feeding week:

Food Consumption

I am treating the following gliders:

Tarsus
Athena
Athena's Female Joey
Athena's Male Joey
Orpheus
Aphrodite
Aphrodite's Darker Female Joey
Aphrodite's Lighter Female Joey

Athena's Joeys seem to be getting worse, their fur is wet in a larger area than before. I just started them all on Amoxicillin twice daily. They have been on it for two days, so it is too early to see progress. I am confident that this will work for Athena's joeys especially since it was caught so early.

Ushuaia

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#11183 - 10/29/03 11:45 PM Re: Wet Fur, Losing Hair, Fur Color Change!!! [Re: ]
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This is sooo sad. When are you to take the babies back for a follow up?
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#11184 - 10/30/03 02:03 PM Re: Wet Fur, Losing Hair, Fur Color Change!!! [Re: ]
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Once the medication is done, about 8 days.

Progress report:

All of Aphrodite's joeys appear to have dry fur for the first time in weeks. The parents fur is dry and does not appear to have the bacteria on it. Aphrodite has soft runny stools, I believe it is from the meds or her internal bacteria. Athena and Tarsus are in excellent condition with firm stools and no external signs of infection. The two joeys still have slightly wet fur but is no where as bad as Aphrodite's joeys. The darker of Aphrodite's joeys has lost much of her fur underneath and a big portion of her tail fur is thinned or missing. With time their fur color will return to normal as they shed out their coats.

Ushuaia

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#11185 - 11/03/03 04:26 AM Re: Wet Fur, Losing Hair, Fur Color Change!!! [Re: ]
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Update:

Aphrodities joeys are wet again, fur condition remains the same as previously stated. Athena and Aphroditie have mated again. Athena's female joey is very wet, but Athena's male is only slightly matted at the base of his tail and is not wet. The male is the only one that looks like he is recovering, or at least stopped progressing.

Because of the lack of recovery, the risk of zoonosis, the threat of further infected joeys; if after 14 days of Amoxicillin and these joeys do not recover I will euthanize them all. I cannot afford continued medical care, and I cannot afford not to work. Due to the bacteria I cannot work at my job because I work around food. With the threat of further spreading this bacteria to other joeys I have, the fact I cannot work until these joeys show no signs of the bacteria, and the fact that I have no more money to do any more medical tests I will euthanize, unless I get a very knowledgeable owner with no other joeys that wants to take the responsibility for their medical treatment, I will give the glider to them free. I have done all I can. My vet over dosed Aphrodite's joeys, failed to run the tests needed to determine the infection, and kept me coming back for additional exams. I feel like the vet was exploiting this situation to get more money. She should have known to run a gram stain to begin with, especially when I told her another breeder had this and it is a bacterial infection. If it was not for my vet I would not be placed in this situation. I do not have the money for a culture to be done, however from the gram stain slides she was able to determine the bacteria, as was stated above. I need help and if I cannot get this under control I will be forced, if no one is able to take on their medical care, to euthanize; for my safety and the safety of my gliders.

Ushuaia

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#11186 - 11/03/03 04:34 AM Re: Wet Fur, Losing Hair, Fur Color Change!!! [Re: ]
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I am so sorry to hear about these poor babies. Hopefully the antibiotics work or atleast start to work so that you can have a little more hope in their full recovery. I understand how you are feeling and hopefully somebody will be able to take some of them in, someone who has more money to keep treating and doesnt have the risk of getting other gliders infected. Its a hard decision to make, euthanizing them, but I understand why you would have to come to that decision.

I also understand about the vet. I have a vet who is doing the same thing to me, unfortunatly they cannot be trusted anymore.

I hope these littles ones get better quick <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/heartpump.gif" alt="" />

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#11187 - 11/03/03 04:41 AM Re: Wet Fur, Losing Hair, Fur Color Change!!! [Re: ]
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What really confuses me is why, if it is only a bacterial infection, do only the joeys and none of the adults show symptoms of it? Only joeys have this. Could this be more than just a bacterial infection? Both of the adults look in "show" condition. They are very friendly and very good weight. They each had a previous litter. Joeys all range in temperament. Due to the constant twice daily forced medications, they do not like me approaching them. Could this be an age specific virus, a genetic defect, or is it just a bacterial infection? It is still confusing as to why the adults do not have it.

Ushuaia

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#11188 - 11/03/03 04:43 AM Re: Wet Fur, Losing Hair, Fur Color Change!!! [Re: ]
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Maybe it just looks worse on the joeys because of the constant grooming of the parents? The wetness and the matted fur is the grooming of the infected area from the parents right? So maybe the parents are concetrating more on the joeys hygene then their own? <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/nixweiss.gif" alt="" /> I don't know, just trying to help <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/crazy.gif" alt="" />

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#11189 - 11/03/03 08:25 AM Re: Wet Fur, Losing Hair, Fur Color Change!!! [Re: ]
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I am so sorry Chris...I wonder if your vet could fax all the tests, info, meds. so on and DX to another more glider knowledgable vet to review? Possible contacting the EVF may help you also.

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#11190 - 11/03/03 10:02 AM Re: Wet Fur, Losing Hair, Fur Color Change!!! [Re: ]
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I would like to get a second review, but I need to do a culture. I know one other breeder who just lost 2 joeys to a similar affliction. Mine are not losing weight though. I have two different colonies and 4 affected joeys, to various degrees. I think a culture of the fur as well as culture of the urine for one joey from each colony would do. Athena just mated. I cannot give her any more antibiotics because it will harm the developing joeys. I have 14 more days until they are born, my main concern is that they will become infected on their crawl into the pouch. And later as the mother cleans the pouch and cleans the infected joeys. The infected joeys will be 6 weeks OOP at the time Athena is to give birth. Should I pull the joeys the day before at 6 weeks OOP? I would also like to see if Lisa, from suncoast sugar gliders, vet can help. Could someone give me her email address or contact information. I would like a second opinion. I still think that this bacteria, its symptoms, and the infectiousness of it should be looked into further as to its effect on only joeys. The adults would have fur staining from the bacteria if they had it externally. Their coats are very pure white and their fur is well groomed and they are show quality. If they had the same bacteria outgrowth as the joeys they would show the same symptoms. There has been no indication of overgrooming, nor of any fur discoloration.

Ushuaia

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#11191 - 11/03/03 02:03 PM Re: Wet Fur, Losing Hair, Fur Color Change!!! [Re: ]
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I am still somewhat lost by this thread. Originally the microorganisms E coli, Campylobacter and Clostridium were mentioned, supposedly identified by gram stains. A later post noted someone else's gliders, I assume related joeys with the same signs, had campylobacter and Clostridium Difficile cultured. Then there were reports of switching from baytril to amoxicillin. Unusual story.

Clostridium difficile is famous as a bowel overgrowth infection of animals put on antibiotics; usually leading to an intestinal problem called pseudomembranous colitis. In fact, amoxicillin is such an antibiotic that could lead to allowing clostridium difficile to overgrow. In other words, amoxicillin is not a good treatment for clostridium difficile. Vancomycin, flagyl or bacitracin would be. Clostridium difficile is also a weird bug to be growing out on the skin.

Campylobacter is similarly a bug that can cause diarrhea and grow in the intestine. Not usually a skin bug. It would not be treated with amoxicillin. Good choices would be macrolides such as erythromycin, or a fluoroquinolone such as Baytril.

E coli is obviously a gut bug. It can get in a wound and grow, but not usually the skin kind of bug. Some strains of E coli can be treated with amoxicillin, some can not.

So, we have a mixed infection (already a red flag that we may be off track) of bacteria that frequent the bowel now on the skin (red flag number 2), in an unusual place. They have been treated with amoxicillin, not a good choice in my opinion for these particular bacteria (number 3). I may not have the whole picture, but this appears to be inadequate treatment. I don't want to second-guess your vet, but this story is just not adding up.

What kinds of things cause wet skin wounds? Well, common things occur commonly. Have the cultures and gram stains looked for staph and strep? Before throwing in the towel and euthanizing the whole group, has anyone tried triple antibiotic ointment? I would usually like the discipline of cultures and proof directing specific treatments. But in this case if finances are limited, inexpensive empiric treatment (treatment without proof but directed by common sense) may be prudent absent better data. Just an opinion. Ushuaia, e-mail me if I can help you in any way.


Edited by schlep (11/03/03 05:51 PM)

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#11192 - 11/04/03 02:11 AM Re: Wet Fur, Losing Hair, Fur Color Change!!! [Re: ]
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Ok let me restate everything clearer. Aphrodite has had two joeys that stared to show signs of the bacterial infection at 28 days OOP. Their fur was wet and matted. I took them to they vet and they were on Baytril 0.20 mL twice a day for ten days. I later found out the vet had erroneously wrote .2 mL when they should have gotten .02 mL. At the end of 10 days the joeys still had wet fur, and fur loss and matting. They went on Ditrim for 10 more days. After 10 days of Ditrim they were still showing signs and now Athena's joeys were showing signs of this infection. After going to the vet I had her do a gram stain. She identified three bacteria and was confident on two. Clostridium and E.coli, but was unsure of Campybacter. She said no positive identification could be made of the strains of these bacteria unless a culture was done. I did not have the fund to pay for cultures. So she placed the gliders on Amoxicillin an amount based upon their weight twice daily for 14 days. I have been giving them the Amoxicillin since 2 am 10-28-03. They have had 14 doses each to date of the Amoxicillin. I have noted marked improvements in the joeys followed by further set backs. None of the joeys have any diarrhea. However Aphrodite has had some recently early on in treating her with the Amoxicillin.

Update:

Aphrodite's joeys do not have wet fur currently. They are eating well and are continued to be housed away from their parents. The are 10 weeks OOP today and weigh 61.8 and 59.3 respectively.

Athena's female joey still has wet fur. Athena's male joey has some matting but no wet fur. Both are still nursing. They were both OOP 10-04-03. I will pull them both before Athena is set to give birth.

I have resolved the financial burden and will be doing the needed cultures. I will post the results here. I cannot offer my opinion as to the proper medication to use so I must rely on my vet. I have confirmed that the gram stains do have Clostridium and E.Coli on them visually with my doctor. He issued me a medical leave until wednesday. As I said I am not familiar with what bacteria should be treated with, I have not confirmed that my gliders have any specific strains Clostridium, as that could only be determined by a culture. Which I am going to have done. I will post again tomorrow as to their progress.

Ushuaia

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#11193 - 11/04/03 06:36 PM Re: Wet Fur, Losing Hair, Fur Color Change!!! [Re: ]
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Update:

The vet is having me drop off fecal samples from all effected gliders once a day for 4 or 5 days. Each of these samples are going to be sent out to a lab for culturing. I should have the results shortly thereafter. Aphrodite's joeys are dry for the second day. Athena's female is wet, the male is dry. The darker of Aphrodite's female joeys had runny stools. I sent that as a sample. The gliders are all eating, active, and gaining weight.

Ushuaia

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#11194 - 11/06/03 12:49 PM Re: Wet Fur, Losing Hair, Fur Color Change!!! [Re: ]
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Update:

I am still sending out the fecal samples to the vet. Aphrodite's two female girls still have dry fur. The male joey from Athena's litter has a little wet fur near his cloacae and some matted fur on his underside, his sister has a totally wet underside and is starting to lose fur. I am still giving them Amoxicillin. They are still gaining weight, eating, and active.

Ushuaia

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#11195 - 11/06/03 11:36 PM Re: Wet Fur, Losing Hair, Fur Color Change!!! [Re: ]
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One other thought (you may already be doing this), but for a skin infection it would seem helpful to debulk the germ load and do twice a day cleanings. I know most owners feel gliders are natural groomers who don't need routine baths, but wet, matted fur that we're attributing to an infection must have a considerable amount of dead skin, bacteria, matter etc. hanging around on the fur. When grooming, having them lick this stuff doesn't seem like a better alternative to cleaning away the goo with modified baths. Any chance of a hybiclens bath for the mattered areas?

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#11196 - 11/07/03 01:39 AM Re: Wet Fur, Losing Hair, Fur Color Change!!! [Re: ]
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but, wouldnt too many baths lead to taking away a gliders natural oils and cause drying of the skin and irritation anyway? <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/nixweiss.gif" alt="" /> I am new to this problem so im just following along and askin questions.

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#11197 - 11/07/03 02:44 AM Re: Wet Fur, Losing Hair, Fur Color Change!!! [Re: ]
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I am the other breeder who had babies(not my own) with symtoms of being wet and sick with symptoms being displayed at 4 weeks oop. of being wet on the tummies. I sent off for a culture...and it came back with a diagnoses of Morganella. Babies had been on Baytril since the first vet visit.

Morganella is a bacteria that commoly affects the urinary tract. Baytril should have worked but it did not. The illness restricted the growth rate dispite being fed the BML with additional supplementing an oral suspension of calglucanate as the bacteria in the kidneys would deplete their system of calcium.... and as the illness progressed...the liquid calcium had to be increased. In the end with the last baby...I was given a different med ....however right now I cannot remember what it was. But it was too late to do any good for the last remaing joey.

The culture was taken from hair samples. Unable to get a urine or fecal. Babies were wet from week four oop. Lost the girl at about six weeks oop. and the boy made it close to seven weeks. Both had to be had fed the BML and I left them with their parents.

The wettness...is beleived to be from the constant grooming of the parents...thus their saliva turns the fur brown on the tummies. The adults do not become sick from the bacteria as their immune system keeps the Morganella bacteria in check. The babies,because they are little...their immune system is not fully developed...and thus they become ill.

It is the vet's opinion that the parents are carriers. They are in prime condition....however, seem to be incapable of producing babies without the overgrowth of this nasty bacteria.

The male is to be neutered tomorrow and the pair then will go home this weekend. But the saga is not over.....as there is another set of joeys in pouch again. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/upset.gif" alt="" /> But this then will be the last of having sickly babies.

I took on the joeys as a learning experience knowing the little ones were more than likly doomed from the beginning. Especially after having cared for on of the twins from the first set. With a third set to come out of pouch in mid December by these gliders which are not mine...... I do not know if I will be up to nursing another set of babies with Morganella for the owners of these adult gliders. I did my best and failed twice and this is why I do not want to do it again. It is depressing to take on the responsibility of being the caregiver with wee ones...knowing that it is hopeless. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/crying.gif" alt="" />


Edited by Judie (11/07/03 02:58 AM)
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#11198 - 11/07/03 10:17 AM Re: Wet Fur, Losing Hair, Fur Color Change!!! [Re: ]
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I already am bathing the gliders daily. I use dawn antibacterial soap, as this is used with wildlife. I do not apply any creams to their skin and I have not noticed any dry skin. Athena's female joeys all my joeys now have dry fur. Aphrodite's joeys seem to be over the infection, how long will it take for the fur to turn back to white, and regrow fully? I should be getting the first fecal culture results today or tomarrow.

Ushuaia

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#11199 - 11/07/03 10:24 AM Re: Wet Fur, Losing Hair, Fur Color Change!!! [Re: ]
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The hair change will be gradual. It will take about six weeks or so for the color to change.

Congratulations on the wellness of your joeys. It has been a long battle for them as well as for you. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />
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#11200 - 11/07/03 11:47 AM Re: Wet Fur, Losing Hair, Fur Color Change!!! [Re: ]
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It is not completly over, this is only the first day of dryness for Athena's joeys they still could revert back to their previous condition. If they remain dry for a week then I will assume the worst is done. The real test is when they are taken off the medication. I will keep the board apraised as to their progress.

Ushuaia

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#11201 - 11/07/03 11:19 PM Re: Wet Fur, Losing Hair, Fur Color Change!!! [Re: ]
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Judie, I had a thought about the next set of joeys, if mom is on antibiotics, then the joeys will receive it thru her milk, correct? I would suggest getting mom on antibiotics, NOW, and therefore babies on antibiotics NOW. Then, when they are oop, you know what's going to happen, you know what's used to treat it, start treatment on day one oop, with the largest possible dose of the meds.
???? What do you think?
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