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#1148142 - 07/19/11 09:34 PM my glider hates her bonding pouch!
sbaron174
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i got my glider from a pet store when she was about 10 months old in May. when i first got her, she NEVER crabbed at all. i took her everywhere with me and she never made a sound. now she crabs constantly when she is in the bag. she will sit on my shoulder and hang out in my hair, on my head, and be completely content but the second i put her in that bag, even if the bag is sitting on the table undisturbed, she crabs.
i want to buy a harness for her but i just feel like i can't trust it. i have lost a sugar glider to the outdoors before and i really dont want to do it again. plus i cant take her everywhere on a harness because she would just get too much attention with everyone seeing her and asking what the heck is that thing and wanted to touch her and whatnot. i really miss having her with me all the time.

i take her out a lot and she sits on my shoulder. she rarely runs around my room when i let her out to play, she just finds a place to go to sleep. she likes to crawl on my body but she hates being held in my hands and doesn't like to be pet or massaged.

i plan to find a friend for her but i just cant afford that at the moment.

the sugar glider i had previously was the complete opposite of all of this. i am really worried about her. am i doing something wrong? is there anything i can do to comfort her? will she ever let me pet her? is she really unhappy?

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#1148216 - 07/19/11 11:51 PM Re: my glider hates her bonding pouch! [Re: ]
StitchsMom Offline
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Originally Posted By: sbaron174
i got my glider from a pet store when she was about 10 months old in May. when i first got her, she NEVER crabbed at all. i took her everywhere with me and she never made a sound. now she crabs constantly when she is in the bag. she will sit on my shoulder and hang out in my hair, on my head, and be completely content but the second i put her in that bag, even if the bag is sitting on the table undisturbed, she crabs.
She has probably adjusted to her new home enough to start testing her boundaries. She could be at that stage we like to refer to as the teenage phase. Gliders can get nippy and a bit crabby at this time. It's their way of pushing limits and seeing if she can get her way by having a tantrum. She should grow out of it with persistence on your end. You may want to correct her if she is being aggressive by making a "Pssssst!" sound at her. If you think she is crabbing because she is scared then skip the corrections and read the next paragraph.

It's also possible that she is genuinely spooked by the bonding pouch. Have you changed the type of bag you use? I had a glider here that hated the sound of zippers and I had to get him used to the sound before he would let me use those pouches with him. I have a little girl here that as a young glider would not let me put her in a sissy pouch (it's a front back-pack type of pouch) but didn't mind regular square bonding pouches. dunno I broke her of her crabby habit but laying the sissy pouch on my chest and putting her on top of it. Then I bribed her with treats. She eventually lost her fear of the sissy.
Originally Posted By: sbaron174
i want to buy a harness for her but i just feel like i can't trust it. i have lost a sugar glider to the outdoors before and i really dont want to do it again. plus i cant take her everywhere on a harness because she would just get too much attention with everyone seeing her and asking what the heck is that thing and wanted to touch her and whatnot. i really miss having her with me all the time.
Harnesses really aren't a safe thing to use on a glider. They can damage or injure the patagium (the flaps of skin that connect their hands to their feet that they use to glide). It can also be stressful to both glider and owner just getting a harness or leash on.
Originally Posted By: sbaron174
i take her out a lot and she sits on my shoulder. she rarely runs around my room when i let her out to play, she just finds a place to go to sleep. she likes to crawl on my body but she hates being held in my hands and doesn't like to be pet or massaged.
What time are you taking her out? How long is she generally out with you? Gliders are more active at night. If you take them out at night you are less likely to succeed with getting cuddles as they are more interested in playing and exploring.

Gliders in general aren't huge on being held in hands. I have a few that will let me, but most prefer to perch on my arm, shoulder, or hand. So, don't feel bad if she won't curl up in your cupped hand and just chill. My sweetie gliders will do this, but not at night if they want to play!

On the flip side, if you are getting her out during the day, she is probably running off to nap because it's her natural bedtime.
Originally Posted By: sbaron174
i plan to find a friend for her but i just cant afford that at the moment.
A friend may or may not help. For now, focus on bonding with her and establishing a good routine. A friend does not guarantee that she would suddenly be more social or cuddly. So, I would work on those areas in the meantime.
Originally Posted By: sbaron174
the sugar glider i had previously was the complete opposite of all of this. i am really worried about her. am i doing something wrong? is there anything i can do to comfort her? will she ever let me pet her? is she really unhappy?
Each glider is different. They each react differently to things in their environment, they each bond on their own time. I don't think you are doing anything wrong. She hasn't been with you all that long if you really think about it. A healthy glider will leave 15+ years in captivity so two months isn't that long. She was also an older girl when you got her. Who knows what her life was like previously. It could take a lot of dedication to get her to come around, but if you commit to the process and commit to her than you will see results! Just keep up the good work and try not to get frustrated. Watch for baby steps and be proud when you take each one. I'm sure you will be able to pet her one day...probably sooner than you think. I don't think she's unhappy. She was probably unhappy at the petstore and just doesn't really know how to act now that she has this new home with an owner that spoils her.

Also, never underestimate the power of a bribe. There is no harm at all in using treats to get her to come around and to associate you with good things.

Feel free to read more on bonding on my webpage (the link is in my signature). Good luck and keep us posted!
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#1148401 - 07/20/11 10:15 AM Re: my glider hates her bonding pouch! [Re: ]
singingintherain Offline
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Maybe wait until she has been asleep for a while before putting her in the bonding pouch? If she is super sleepy she might not fight you as much. Also treats! Giving her treats once she is in the pouch will associate pouch=good. Also, do you put any blankies with her scent on them inside the pouch? that might calm her down too. just some ideas. smile Good luck!

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#1148450 - 07/20/11 12:41 PM Re: my glider hates her bonding pouch! [Re: ]
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Registered: 11/08/04
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One simple question: Does the pouch you're trying to put her in have a window or not? If it doesn't, then that might be your issue: she wants to SEE OUT. (if it does, then apply the opposite thought process)

She might not like the sound of the zipper opening/closing. Some of mine will crab up a STORM when I do that....

Have you tried putting the pouch under a shirt & leave it unzipped? That might work...

Treats definitely WILL help. She gets in the bonding pouch, give her a treat. She crabs, let her SEE that you have a treat but hold off til she stops crabbing...then give her the treat. (using the theory of Pavlov and his doggie...bell rings, treat drops. conditioned treatment...works like a charm thumb )
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#1148655 - 07/20/11 08:46 PM Re: my glider hates her bonding pouch! [Re: StitchsMom]
sbaron174
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thanks, your message was very helpful and comforting. i really want her to be happy.

about the bribing, she generally wont take any food from me. she loves to eat at night. she is a little piggy, but during the day when i am playing with her she sniffs even her favorite things but wont take them from me.

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#1148656 - 07/20/11 08:49 PM Re: my glider hates her bonding pouch! [Re: singingintherain]
sbaron174
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the second i open up her cage she wakes up and starts crabbing. i generally have to coax her into the bag avoiding her attack like bites and then she just keeps crabbing until she falls asleep and then the instant i move she wakes up again. i have a normal bonding pouch with a zipper and a window and i also have a drawstring pouch with no window and she hates them both equally. however, i have a small cage with a window that is a bout 1' by 4'' by 4'' and she doesnt mind that too much and she will go anywhere with me and stay on my shoulder.

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#1148657 - 07/20/11 08:50 PM Re: my glider hates her bonding pouch! [Re: minkasmom]
sbaron174
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i have a drawstring pouch with no zipper or window, and a regular pouch with a zipper and window and she hates them both frown

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#1148658 - 07/20/11 08:52 PM Re: my glider hates her bonding pouch! [Re: minkasmom]
sbaron174
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any suggestions on irresistable treats? she generally wont take something from my hands during the day.

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#1148731 - 07/20/11 10:48 PM Re: my glider hates her bonding pouch! [Re: ]
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My suggestion on your last question is to post instead in diet & Nutrition. This will keep the thread here on topic and if you post there, it will ensure you get the best answers to your question. thumb
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