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#1203893 - 12/13/11 07:00 AM SM can happen to anyone
kitsune Offline
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Registered: 10/18/03
Posts: 1889
Loc: Springfield/Eugene, OR
I've never dealt with SM before, and I've thanked my lucky stars many times for that. Now, I can no longer say that.

My Lucy was just weaning her last set of joeys, they are 7 weeks. I heard odd noises the night before, but I checked them and everyone was ok. Took Lucy out for a kiss on the head, put her back. Last night I was pulling the boys out for some pouch training out and about and instead of pulling out one of the boys, I pulled out Lucy's limp body. She was still warm. Her pouch was torn open. I'm going to get her in for a necropsy, but my guess is she may have had mastitis. The boys are very upset and crabby. I put them with their daddy.

My point of this post is that there was no warning. The strange noises may have been a precursor, but there were none today. Her pouch was a little droopy, but these boys were her 14th and 15th joeys, and she was due to retire after these two. I didn't really think anything of the pouch, it didn't look irritated. She went from bright-eyed and bushy tailed to...what I found, 2 hours later. Lucy had no history of injuries or SM. She's been so healthy that she's only been to the vet for checkups. Please be vigilant with your little ones, especially mamas that may be showing discomfort. You never think it will happen to you until it does. Be prepared, keep an ecollar and jacket...I keep thinking to myself if I'd only caught her before she'd done too much damage, I could have saved her.
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#1203904 - 12/13/11 07:44 AM Re: SM can happen to anyone [Re: kitsune]
nancy1202 Offline
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Registered: 05/21/08
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Beth, I am so sorry. Things happen no matter how vigilant we try to be. Lucy obviously was an awesome mom, and raised her last set of joeys until they were old enough to be eating on their own. :sorry:
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#1203905 - 12/13/11 07:56 AM Re: SM can happen to anyone [Re: kitsune]
yiyo Offline
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Registered: 06/08/11
Posts: 7560
Loc: Long Island, NY
How terrible hug2 hug2 hug2
I'm so sorry to hear this cry
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#1203906 - 12/13/11 08:11 AM Re: SM can happen to anyone [Re: kitsune]
glidrz5 Offline
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Registered: 06/13/01
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Loc: Quincy, IL
I'm so very sorry for your loss.
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#1203909 - 12/13/11 08:15 AM Re: SM can happen to anyone [Re: kitsune]
kitsune Offline
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Registered: 10/18/03
Posts: 1889
Loc: Springfield/Eugene, OR
Thank you for your sentiments, I really do appreciate them--but I don't want this thread to get tucked away in memorials. I would like this thread to help people understand how important it is to be prepared for SM behavior, no matter how unlikely it seems. Ecollars and jackets must be kept on hand for this kind of emergency. If I had caught her and didn't have a jacket or collar, I would have been just as helpless to save her.
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#1203910 - 12/13/11 08:19 AM Re: SM can happen to anyone [Re: kitsune]
AmandaSnyder Offline
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Registered: 04/17/11
Posts: 794
Loc: Wv,USA

Aww sweety i am so sry this has happened to u,i know its hard but i hope the good memories of her helps you threw.I bet she loved you and enjoyed her time with you but shes in glider heaven now and will never hurt again.I can now say i know what your going threw because i have never went threw this and i hope and pray that it never does.Thanjks for sharing this story god bless you!!!
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#1203922 - 12/13/11 08:37 AM Re: SM can happen to anyone [Re: kitsune]
Cora Offline
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Registered: 04/16/05
Posts: 6573
Loc: Kilgore, Texas
OMG how strange.Did you have a necropsy done? ((((HUGS)))) that was something none of should experience but it can happen to any glider anytime just like you said. lit a candle in memory of you girl...................
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#1203962 - 12/13/11 10:11 AM Re: SM can happen to anyone [Re: kitsune]
Lunas_mom Offline
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Registered: 03/23/11
Posts: 558
Loc: Florida
I'm sorry to hear about Lucy.
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#1203978 - 12/13/11 10:46 AM Re: SM can happen to anyone [Re: Lunas_mom]
minkasmom Offline
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Registered: 11/08/04
Posts: 5965
Loc: Northeast Indiana
cry cry cry Beth, I'm SOOOO heartbroken for you.....what else can I say? hug2 hug2
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#1204011 - 12/13/11 12:37 PM Re: SM can happen to anyone [Re: kitsune]
ValkyrieMome Offline
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Registered: 01/13/07
Posts: 10983
Loc: Denton, TX
Beth I'm so sorry for your loss. What a shock!

Hugs to you. So sorry and sad.
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#1204019 - 12/13/11 12:57 PM Re: SM can happen to anyone [Re: kitsune]
Dancing Offline
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Registered: 09/10/04
Posts: 22746
Loc: 80 acres of paradise in KS
First Beth, I am so very sorry. I can't imagine the loss you are feeling at such an unexpected turn of events. From what you described, this was NOT your fault and you should NOT be blaming yourself. I know it is second nature for us to second guess and it is true, hindsight is 20/20. Glide free Lucy.


Since you want this on here for educational purposes, not just a memorial, I want to comment on this.

You said...
Quote:
If I had caught her and didn't have a jacket or collar, I would have been just as helpless to save her.



Even if you (you being anyone with gliders) don't have an ecollar or ejacket RIGHT there and handy, you can take and wrap up a glider like a burrito, in fleece or a shirt or even a towel (what ever IS right there and handy) and HOLD him/her until you can get to the vet and/or get them in an ecollar or ejacket.
When a glider starts to self mutilate, you do what ever you have to do to keep them from chewing on themselves, even if it means they are chewing on you. You will survive the wounds they inflict, they might not.

Self mutilation is not common but it can happen to any glider. Always be prepared for the worst but don't hold your breath waiting for the worst to happen.
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#1204048 - 12/13/11 01:32 PM Re: SM can happen to anyone [Re: Dancing]
tbull Offline
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Registered: 10/04/05
Posts: 3884
Loc: Wyoming
I am very sorry for your loss. Please let us know what the necropsy says. I am dealing with mastitis right now with one of my moms, and it is unmistakable. I don't want to take away from your post and important message about Sming, so will make another post in the health forum.

hug2
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#1204298 - 12/13/11 10:25 PM Re: SM can happen to anyone [Re: kitsune]
kitsune Offline
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Registered: 10/18/03
Posts: 1889
Loc: Springfield/Eugene, OR
Originally Posted By: Dancing
Even if you (you being anyone with gliders) don't have an ecollar or ejacket RIGHT there and handy, you can take and wrap up a glider like a burrito, in fleece or a shirt or even a towel (what ever IS right there and handy) and HOLD him/her until you can get to the vet and/or get them in an ecollar or ejacket.
When a glider starts to self mutilate, you do what ever you have to do to keep them from chewing on themselves, even if it means they are chewing on you. You will survive the wounds they inflict, they might not.

Self mutilation is not common but it can happen to any glider. Always be prepared for the worst but don't hold your breath waiting for the worst to happen.


Very good advice, Teresa. Thank you for adding to this thread.
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#1204301 - 12/13/11 10:31 PM Re: SM can happen to anyone [Re: kitsune]
LSardou Offline
Glideritis Anonymous

Registered: 03/01/06
Posts: 21060
Loc: Kansas
Beth, I am so sorry for your loss. My prayers are with you. hug2

Glide Free, Lucy. :rbridge:

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#1204348 - 12/14/11 12:41 AM Re: SM can happen to anyone [Re: kitsune]
Sherri Offline
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Registered: 11/02/06
Posts: 3826
Loc: Big Sandy TN
I'm so sorry Beth! Glide free sweet Lucy.
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#1204355 - 12/14/11 01:05 AM Re: SM can happen to anyone [Re: kitsune]
Meg_n_Von Offline
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Registered: 05/15/09
Posts: 12099
Loc: Vulcan, MO
I'm so sorry. hug2 It's amazing how fast things like this can happen. frown But DO NOT blame yourself! hug2
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#1204365 - 12/14/11 01:56 AM Re: SM can happen to anyone [Re: kitsune]
SecretSquirrel Offline
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Registered: 12/12/11
Posts: 193
Loc: Kentucky
Firstly I want to tell you that I'm sorry for your loss and that I can't even begin to comprehend the hurt that you are suffering right now. I haven't had the chance to get to know you but I want to send you a cyber hug (I don't know how to do the cute smileys, so sorry for that too).

Secondly I would like to thank you for being willing to put something so painful up for the rest of us to learn from, honestly I thought that SM would typically take longer to have life-threatening effects and I will be more vigilant than I think I would have been when I get my gliders.
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#1204367 - 12/14/11 02:04 AM Re: SM can happen to anyone [Re: kitsune]
suggiebabylover Offline
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Registered: 08/02/09
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Loc: Evanston, Il
:rbridge: glide free little one.
hug2 to you Beth.
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#1204377 - 12/14/11 02:42 AM Re: SM can happen to anyone [Re: kitsune]
JillMarie Offline
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Registered: 01/03/09
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Loc: New Jersey
So sorry hug2
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#1205252 - 12/15/11 11:09 PM Re: SM can happen to anyone [Re: kitsune]
angelic4296 Offline
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Loc: Northeast U.S.
Beth, I'm so sorry but thank you for making this post, its such an important reminder....
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#1205653 - 12/17/11 12:32 AM Re: SM can happen to anyone [Re: kitsune]
Megs
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So sorry to hear about this Beth.
Thanks for posting this.

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#1205691 - 12/17/11 06:57 AM Re: SM can happen to anyone [Re: kitsune]
hwh4ev Offline
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Registered: 12/03/08
Posts: 2836
Loc: roseville, mi
sorry to hear abt. this. glide free little momma.

take care,
nancy in detroit
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#1205697 - 12/17/11 08:07 AM Re: SM can happen to anyone [Re: kitsune]
Sugaree Offline
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Loc: Selangor, MY
I am so sorry about your loss Beth.. frown
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#1205710 - 12/17/11 08:49 AM Re: SM can happen to anyone [Re: kitsune]
suggiemom1980 Offline
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Registered: 03/05/07
Posts: 13746
Loc: Vincennes, IN, USA
Beth, because you took the time thru your grief to share this with us, Lucy's death will not have been in vain. She will undoubtedly save many lives and prepare many glider owners.

I am so very sorry for your loss. hug2
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#1205717 - 12/17/11 09:09 AM Re: SM can happen to anyone [Re: kitsune]
rach Offline
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Registered: 10/26/11
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Loc: Southern Illinois
I am so sorry to hear of your loss. cry
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#1205761 - 12/17/11 10:26 AM Re: SM can happen to anyone [Re: kitsune]
ssdreamsicles Offline
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Registered: 05/10/07
Posts: 1871
Loc: kentucky
Beth,

Im so very very sorry for your loss. I know lucy was a good mom and glider. Im so heart broken for you. She was my esme's mommy and i could not even think of what id do if i lost esme. I know you and you are a good glider mommy. Sadly they just hide things until its to late. You will be in my thoughts.

I want to also add that even if we are prepaired to the max things can still happen that are not in out control to stop. No matter how many ecollars, fluids, and a crammped full ekit things can still go wrong. One shoul dnever blame themselfs. We know how fast a glider can go down hill.
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#1205779 - 12/17/11 11:03 AM Re: SM can happen to anyone [Re: kitsune]
Feather Offline
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Registered: 01/19/08
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Beth,

I am very sorry for your loss.


I would like to add to this thread, please try to keep e-collars and/or e-jackets on hand. You never know when you will need them.

I had four neuters done Thursday afternoon and one of the rescue males tore himself open as soon as he came out of the anesthetic. Thankfully I had three different sizes of Denise's e-jackets on hand.

Hugo was put back under and they put in two dissolving sutures in and we put the e-jacket on him.

I don't know what I would do without those e-jackets. They have just paid for themselves with one use.

Hugo isn't happy, even unhappier when I have to medicate him twice a day, he is getting pain meds 1X daily and antibiotics 2Xs daily, but he is alive.

I have 5 different e-collars and 3 e-jackets in my first aid kit.

It pays to be prepared.
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