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#1211744 - 01/03/12 04:36 PM What do people really need for rejected joeys?
Dancing Offline
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Registered: 09/10/04
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There are so many posts about "have a rejected joey kit" but the "kits" I see are so over whelming to me. I just have to post my opinion.

Hand raising a rejected joey is NOT easy. It is an 8 week time period of very little sleep and constant worry. But it isn't as difficult as so many make it seem. Besides the sleep deprivation and time involved, the basics are not all that difficult. Feed, "potty", weigh, cuddle and keep warm. (oh, and don't forget the kisses and the belly and foot rubs!)

What I have for possible rejected joeys (kept after successfully hand raising and/or supplementing joeys over the last 12 years) is...

syringes for feeding (same ones I use to give meds to adults) I don't use a "french cath" but it doesn't hurt to use one.

syringes and sharps just in case I have to sub-q (have not had to with a rejected joey)
Saline (sterile salt water) and d5w (sterile sugar water) for sub-q if needed

Fleece (doesn't everyone have tons of fleece?)

heating pad for when I can't hold the joey
Large Kritter Keeper for incubator if I can't hold the joey.

Esbilac puppy milk replacer powder (liquid can be kept but expires faster and either has to be used or frozen within the first day it is opened) Wambaroo has marsupial milk replacer if you want to use that. Don't use kitten milk replacer.

Impact Colostrum replacer. Impact colostrum replacer helps boost the joeys immune system. Marsupials get colostrum the entire time they are nursing unlike humans or puppies that only get it the first week or so. I've raised one without it and he didn't do as well as the rest that got the Impact.

And a vet I can go to or call if needed as well as other owners that "have been through it" for support.

That's it! And other than the Esbilac and the Impact, all those things are part of my regular emergency kit.

A gram scale to weigh them (something I use constantly anyway with all my gliders)

I love Suz and her website is FULL of great information but really, it doesn't have to be that complicated.

Baby BML or other diet staples are not needed for the first 5-6 weeks. The joey's tummy is not ready for such complicated foods. At about 5 weeks I start to add in my staple (Reep's) into the puppy milk and gradually ween them over.

I hope no one ever has to experience hand raising a joey. It IS very difficult and very emotional. And not all joeys will make it (I lost one). What needs to be remembered is they are rejected for a reason. That is not always the parent's fault. Sometimes there are things "wrong" with the joey we can't see.
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#1212278 - 01/04/12 10:15 PM Re: What do people really need for rejected joeys? [Re: Dancing]
kjgoulet Offline
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Registered: 02/12/11
Posts: 1516
Loc: North Dakota
From the sounds of it it's like having a newborn around but a little more difficult when it comes to feeding and cleaning and keeping warm. Ok so a lot different but in the aspect of worry and sleep deprivation it's similar lol!

I'd be interested to see what comes of this because I was planning on ordering the rejection kit from Suz's site so we have it just in case.
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#1231194 - 02/22/12 01:42 PM Re: What do people really need for rejected joeys? [Re: Dancing]
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What is the best heating pad?
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#1231206 - 02/22/12 02:25 PM Re: What do people really need for rejected joeys? [Re: Dancing]
Lunas_mom Offline
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Registered: 03/23/11
Posts: 558
Loc: Florida
Dancing- If you use the Wombaroo milk replacer, do you ALSO use the Impact Colostrum? You would think that if it's for marsupials it would have it in it already. Or is the impact colostrum only if you use Esbilac?
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#1231210 - 02/22/12 02:28 PM Re: What do people really need for rejected joeys? [Re: StowawayGliders]
Lunas_mom Offline
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Registered: 03/23/11
Posts: 558
Loc: Florida
Originally Posted By: kb314
What is the best heating pad?


I nurse orphan squirrils and got a heating pad from CVS, brand is Sunbeam. I looked for one that DID NOT have automatic shut off. Otherwise they turn off after two hours.
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#1231218 - 02/22/12 03:02 PM Re: What do people really need for rejected joeys? [Re: Dancing]
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Registered: 09/10/04
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Loc: 80 acres of paradise in KS
Quote:
Dancing- If you use the Wombaroo milk replacer, do you ALSO use the Impact Colostrum?


Yes, I would use both. They are two different things and in my opinion, both equally important.

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What is the best heating pad?

Brand isn't important but find one that does not have an automatic shut off (one of mine shuts off after 2 hours). If you DO get one that auto shuts off, make sure you have an alarm clock to alert you when it is time to turn it back on.
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#1231229 - 02/22/12 03:32 PM Re: What do people really need for rejected joeys? [Re: Dancing]
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Registered: 02/22/11
Posts: 3745
Loc: Butte, Mt. USA
Dancing where do you get the impact colostrum from? Do you think the Esbilac puppy formula works as well as the wombaroo milk replacer?
I found eye droppers were way easier to feed the joeys with than the syringe. The eye droppers i got were from wal mart and they are glass with 2 droppers in a package. One dropper has a smaller tipped end on it and that was the one my baby liked best.
As dancing said it is hard work but not impossible like it sometimes sounds. It is also the most rewarding thing ever. Well worth all those nights with almost no sleep.
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#1231249 - 02/22/12 04:11 PM Re: What do people really need for rejected joeys? [Re: Dancing]
louissa Offline
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Registered: 09/07/11
Posts: 439
Loc: NH
I have to say it's one of my biggest fears now that I am getting a breeding pair and I tend to over prepare for everything .. these babies are just SO tiny .. it's hard to know what's a real necessity and what isn't

I'm just glad I can come here if and when the time ever comes for all the valuable information I'll need ..
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#1231411 - 02/22/12 10:20 PM Re: What do people really need for rejected joeys? [Re: Dancing]
kjgoulet Offline
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Registered: 02/12/11
Posts: 1516
Loc: North Dakota
I've ordered the kit from Suz's site with the Booster Milk so I can put it on momma's food when joeys are IP.

Louissa, I think at this point it's just going to be learn as you go. That's what I'm figuring anyways lol! If you have questions there are always people on here to answer smile I personally plan on annoying the crap out of my mentors if I get super worried tounge they still love me though haha!
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#1231455 - 02/23/12 12:25 AM Re: What do people really need for rejected joeys? [Re: Dancing]
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Registered: 02/01/12
Posts: 738
Loc: Columbia, TN
The milk replacer and colostrum, where would you find those? just regular pet store? Or online?
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