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#1247179 - 04/10/12 08:14 AM The Wombaroo High Protein Diet (Part Two)
DCMuffin Offline
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#1248919 - 04/16/12 02:39 AM Re: The Wombaroo High Protein Diet (Part Two) [Re: DCMuffin]
JillMarie Offline
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OK

I will start

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When I use the wombaroo powder, I have always had a problem with "sediment"
I have heard and tried it all. Using hotter water, using the blender, blending a longer time, mixing it in a different order, blah blah blah

But ALWAYS in the morning there would be a sludge in the bottom of the bowl that was gritty and obviously from some of the powder that settled.

Many of you wont ever see this if your gliders gobble up their "nectar" first, like my boys sometimes do, but the girls always go for the fresh foods first and the "nectar" sits,

I did contact Mr Rich about it to see if he had any insight. I want to note that even with the steaning hot water we had some settlement still occurring. I was concerned with what they are missing since the full amount of the powder is not being ingested. Here's what I asked him:

"Many people recommend using warm water to mix with the WHPS powder. You may recall I have mentioned some issues with it seeming like the powder was not "dissolving" and would later settle to the bottom of the dish. I have tried using very hot water, steaming in fact. and that seemed to help.
How does using very hot, not boiling, but steaming, water effect the powder and the nutritional value of it?"


here is his response:
"Very hot water will not significantly affect the macro-nutrient profile of the product ie protein/fat/ carbohydrate. However certain vitamins may be somewhat inactivated at high temperatures (particularly Vitamin C and some of the B group vitamins). This may not be nutritionally significant if fed as part of a balanced diet, as many of these items are available in fresh fruit/vegetables.

Wombaroo High Protein Supplement is not technically soluble in water, but is dispersible with sufficient agitation (an electric whisk) and or heat."


I wanted to point this out that the powder is NOT soluble in water which means it does not dissolve, and if your gliders are like mine and dont touch the nectar till later in the evening, some settling may occur and using the hotter water doesnt really solve the whole problem and depending on how hot, may or may not interfere with the nutritional value.

So for ME and MY gliders, I wanted another solution. I wanted to find a way to keep the powder "suspended" in the nectar mix, as well as I wanted to be able to use cold water.

I did find a solution to my problem. You will have to wait and read about it later (ah the anticipation LOL)
I just wanted to share Mr Rich's response about the hot water as it pertains to the WHPS powder.




Edited by JillMarie (04/16/12 02:40 AM)
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#1248927 - 04/16/12 04:49 AM Re: The Wombaroo High Protein Diet (Part Two) [Re: DCMuffin]
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Very interesting- thanks for sharing. I have this problem too but I will say most of the time my gliders do lick it all up. I look forward to seeing the solution- hope I dont miss it.
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#1248970 - 04/16/12 09:31 AM Re: The Wombaroo High Protein Diet (Part Two) [Re: DCMuffin]
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I have never heard of anyone mixing any glider food recipes using Wombaroo High Protein with boiling water.

Using Wombaroo High Protein Supplement in combination with other ingredients, as most recipes using it call for, has probably made the settling an non-issue for most of us.

The honey in most nectar recipes helps thicken the liquid and probably reduces the settling as well.

If you are feeding the Wombaroo High Protein Supplement mixed with water only as the 'nectar' portion of your glider's meal, perhaps you could just use less water and make it a thicker mixture to reduce the separation.
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#1249060 - 04/16/12 01:40 PM Re: The Wombaroo High Protein Diet (Part Two) [Re: DCMuffin]
JillMarie Offline
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It will still separate/settle as it doesnt actually dissolve. I have mixed the recipes "as stated" and it still settled.

But for me, it is no longer an issue. I really just wanted to share what Mr Rich had to say about the water temps.
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#1249089 - 04/16/12 02:52 PM Re: The Wombaroo High Protein Diet (Part Two) [Re: DCMuffin]
CathyMetcalf Offline
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sooo when do we get to hear your solution ??

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#1249152 - 04/16/12 06:22 PM Re: The Wombaroo High Protein Diet (Part Two) [Re: DCMuffin]
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JillMarie,
I will need to be making another batch on weds., could we please know how you concord(sp) this problem?
please please please let us know!!! smile
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#1249320 - 04/17/12 02:37 AM Re: The Wombaroo High Protein Diet (Part Two) [Re: DCMuffin]
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I will. Soon. Maybe tonight, I have been pretty busy. Its really very easy.
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#1249367 - 04/17/12 10:04 AM Re: The Wombaroo High Protein Diet (Part Two) [Re: DCMuffin]
ValkyrieMome Offline
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I have an electric wisk. I've been mixing mine in a old peanut butter jar. Every evening, I just shake the jar, and then give it a quick wisk, and spoon it out right away.

My gliders are REALLY loving this diet!


Edit: I also just ordered one of these:
http://www.wegotbetterdeals.com/auto-mixing-travel-mug-with-tornado-action-mixer-p-896.html

Expect that will make things much easier!


Edited by ValkyrieMome (04/17/12 10:08 AM)
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#1249422 - 04/17/12 12:51 PM Re: The Wombaroo High Protein Diet (Part Two) [Re: DCMuffin]
JillMarie Offline
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The problem with my girls, is they dont eat the "nectar" first. It sits till the wee hours of the morning, and all the whisking doesnt help. I have been using a BLENDER!

As stated in Mr Rich's email, the powder doesnt actually DISSOLVE, so if it sits long enough it will separate/settle.

To be honest I only posted his response just in case anyone else had the same concerns as I did. This was purely done for my own gliders and an issue I saw.

You are welcome to read "my" solution to the problem I saw with my own gliders. This is NOT meant in any way to be a diet debate or to make anyone change what they are feeding. Please do not change what you are doing unless your vet says so or you are willing to accept FULL responsibilities for your own decisions.

Feel free to visit my site for an explanation.
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#1249460 - 04/17/12 02:24 PM Re: The Wombaroo High Protein Diet (Part Two) [Re: DCMuffin]
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JillMarie what link is it under on your website? I also have sediment left in their bowls and am interested in seeing how you serve it now. Thanks!
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#1249493 - 04/17/12 03:29 PM Re: The Wombaroo High Protein Diet (Part Two) [Re: DCMuffin]
CathyMetcalf Offline
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took me a while to find it.
Sugar Glider Care Tips Encyclopedia
"Sugar Glider Care Tips Encyclopedia" covering such subjects as diet, traveling, training, and more...These articles are very detailed and cover a wide range of subjects in much depth and detail. Articles include "Is a sugar glider the right pet for you?" and "the truth about owning sugar gliders" as well as common diet comparison articles. All articles are the work of Jill Marie.
http://www.handmadejewelry4jesus.com/info-sugarglider-tips

then go to
Sugar Glider diet and Recipe Page
Jill Marie's Sugar Glider diet and recipe page...all the details

http://www.handmadejewelry4jesus.com/sugar_glider_diet_recipe
then it's just a little piece down the page under the heading Sugar Glider diet update added 4-17-2012

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#1249829 - 04/18/12 03:16 AM Re: The Wombaroo High Protein Diet (Part Two) [Re: DCMuffin]
JillMarie Offline
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Thanks Cathy, I had a brain fart and forgot to add the link smile
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#1250517 - 04/19/12 06:59 PM Re: The Wombaroo High Protein Diet (Part Two) [Re: DCMuffin]
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I just finished an email off to Peggy,in hopes that she will come on here,& give us her thoughts on this topic. smile smile
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#1250561 - 04/19/12 09:31 PM Re: The Wombaroo High Protein Diet (Part Two) [Re: DCMuffin]
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Peggy just got back w/me.
She says what is separating is the cereal grains in the mixes.
She has stated that the additions/subtractions will effect the diet as written,& doesn't feel it would be good to do this.
I kinda figured this was going to be her reply.
I was just hoping that she would have approved of it,to try it just 1 time,& see how they do.
I told her I wanted to try it.
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#1250579 - 04/19/12 10:16 PM Re: The Wombaroo High Protein Diet (Part Two) [Re: DCMuffin]
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Quote:
She has stated that the additions/subtractions will effect the diet as written,& doesn't feel it would be good to do this.


I'm confused. What does Peggy have to do with the Wambaroo High Protein diet? Isn't this the diet suggested by Gordon Rich from Paswell? If so, what does Peggy know or have to do with it?


And if she feels this Wambaroo High Protein diet is not good, I have to question her motives.
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#1250581 - 04/19/12 10:30 PM Re: The Wombaroo High Protein Diet (Part Two) [Re: Dancing]
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Originally Posted By: Dancing
Quote:
She has stated that the additions/subtractions will effect the diet as written,& doesn't feel it would be good to do this.


I'm confused. What does Peggy have to do with the Wambaroo High Protein diet? Isn't this the diet suggested by Gordon Rich from Paswell? If so, what does Peggy know or have to do with it?


And if she feels this Wambaroo High Protein Diet is not good, I have to question her motives.
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#1250582 - 04/19/12 10:31 PM Re: The Wombaroo High Protein Diet (Part Two) [Re: DCMuffin]
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Ok I am confused because I don't see anything anywhere about cereal grains with this diet.

ETA: I don't see anything about the "cookie" part other than it will not be available til May or so ?

So it the "sediment" particles of the HPW powder? I have not tried this yet because my gliders love their diet and are so soft, but I am very intrigued. I am just wondering if matters what you place the HPW powder mixture on as to whether it leaves a "sediment"?

http://www.thegliderinitiative.org/Australian%20Wombaroo%20Diet.pdf

Anyone tried it over yogurt and maybe that absorbs it a bit more? Versus the HPW powder and water in a dish?


Edited by JeremysDad (04/19/12 10:46 PM)
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#1250586 - 04/19/12 10:39 PM Re: The Wombaroo High Protein Diet (Part Two) [Re: josefine]
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Originally Posted By: josefine
Peggy just got back w/me.
She says what is separating is the cereal grains in the mixes.
She has stated that the additions/subtractions will effect the diet as written,& doesn't feel it would be good to do this.
I kinda figured this was going to be her reply.
I was just hoping that she would have approved of it,to try it just 1 time,& see how they do.
I told her I wanted to try it.

Are you talking about the sediment that Jill Marie was discussing? If so, I am not sure that would be an accurate answer. Are there non water soluble vitamins or minerals in Wombaroo? I know that when mixing Vionate Vitamins in Original Leadbeater's it settles to the bottom as can calcium and other things.

Any alterations of any diet will change values. The question is whether it is a positive or negative change and most of us are laymen. I love the diet discussions and possibility of finding othe things that would work well for our gliders. I think it's awesome Mr. Rich is so open to talking with so many people who have contacted him! It's a huge step to help understand even more options for our gliders here in the US!
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#1250620 - 04/20/12 03:00 AM Re: The Wombaroo High Protein Diet (Part Two) [Re: DCMuffin]
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Wow I feel I really opened a can of worms here. I contacted Mr Rich for a solution. Received none, and found a solution that works for ME.

Lets try to clear some confusion.
First of all there are 3 supplement powders here being referred to:
Wombaroo High Protein Supplemt or WHPS
HPW Plus
HPW Complete

When I mentioned the "sediment" I was referring to the WHPS. When Peggy mentioned "grains" she was most likely referring to HPW Plus and Complete.

I do not know if the sediment from the WHPS is the same as any sediment from the HPW powders.

Mr Rich stated in his letter very clearly that the WHPS is not soluble in water, which means it does not dissolve.
No matter how you mix it, if it sits long enough it will settle, which is why you need to give it a shake the next day if you dont freeze it.

Again, some of you will never have a problem with this if your gliders eat it right away or if it is poured over other foods, as the sediment will stick to the other foods.

In MY house, its an issue.

As for changing diets. It is NEVER a good thing without checking with the writers of those diets. And if you decide to change things, you need to be prepared to take FULL responsibility for your actions. If you change a diet and your glider gets sick, it is no ones fault other than your own.

Changing the HPW mix by adding anything is going to change the nutritional value of the mix. Not only because of the added item, but also the dilution of the supplements. These are some of the things Peggy is concerned with whenever someone wants to add something to her or any diet. I have conversed a long time with Peggy over these issues with my 2 girls.

I also do not understand why Peggy's "motives" would be questioned or even brought up in this thread. Peggy has done quite a bit for glider diets, her "motives" are quite frankly none of our business. Lets keep the discussion on track so it doesnt go "by the wayside" (again) with unnecessary drama.
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#1250660 - 04/20/12 11:20 AM Re: The Wombaroo High Protein Diet (Part Two) [Re: DCMuffin]
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The stuff I feed is Peggy's.
JillMarie feeds the PML.
I thought that for the most part they were the same,b/c hers is separating just like mine.
I contacted Peggy b/c I wanted her input to this dilemma,& she couldn't give me one,as she is really busy @ this time.
The 'confusion' is caused @ my end,no where else.
I'm confident in Peggy,that's why I feed her diets.I just feed(mix)both together,b/c my Plus isn't as firm as I want it to be.
I make up a Plus,then a Complete,I then put the 2 together,so that I get a consistency that I like.
I spoke w/Peggy on this,& she said I could do this,that it wouldn't hurt the gliders.
AND,it does separate even in the ice cube,I can see the difference in the coloring of the cube when I take it out to feed.
Peggy has perfected this diet for those who wish to use it,she has worked long & hard on it.
Whenever someone who is of the same mindset as she has comes up w/a solution of what could be modified to it,then it needs to be listened to, to see if it would be a better way to feed.
Bourbon came up w/her modified version,& Candy came up w/several blended versions. None of them are 'worse or better'.
Every time a new diet comes out, people are always saying "How much nicer their coats are,shinny & smooth"
It just makes me actually wonder,this is the same thing many people mention when they started the old diet they fed.So,is the coat condition worsening w/the prolonged use of the 'old' stuff,so this is why we go to the new stuff?
I don't understand that statement @ all!!!
Anyhoo, I just wanted to clarify where I was coming from on this delicate issue.
I just don't understand why the diet issue has to always cause a war between responsible adults. Anyone else notice this?
We all want whats best for our gliders,we all have 1 main goal,so why should there be so many people hurting each other over this.
AND YES, PEOPLE DO GET THEIR FEELINGS TREMENDOUSLY HURT OVER diet ISSUES!!!!!
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#1250674 - 04/20/12 11:58 AM Re: The Wombaroo High Protein Diet (Part Two) [Re: DCMuffin]
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The seperating issues is nothing new. It happens with most of the mixed diets. It does it with BML, HPW Original, HPW Plus, HPW Complete. I really don't know about the other diets since I have never fed them.

Yes, it it the ground cereals that are in these powders and mixes that settles.

Thats why I just feed fresh. Give the bottle a shake before using, just like most anything else that has more than one ingredient in it. Shake before using. LOL
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#1250677 - 04/20/12 12:20 PM Re: The Wombaroo High Protein Diet (Part Two) [Re: DCMuffin]
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But most times,it gets separated b/4 they drink it,no matter how much it gets 'shook'!!
4 nites a week, I used to stay w/a lady that had cancer,& I would have Larry feed them what I put out b/4 I left,& I always had to tell him to mix the stuff w/a fork,b/c they weren't getting all of it.
They won't eat the grounds,& if that is an important part of the diet,then the gliders are missing the benefits of it.
They will only drink it if it is in its own container,they won't touch any of the food if this stuff is on it,& this is w/all of the diets.
Original,Plus,& Complete.
They aren't too fond of eggs,so I feel there is way too much egg in it,but they do love chicken,so why couldn't their be chicken instead of egg in the mix?
I know,I know, it doesn't compare.
Then,I've never liked the quantity of the honey,not nutritious enough FOR ME,Maple Syrup would be,why can't that be looked into,as JillMarie has?
Why does there always have to be so much dissension(sp)when it comes to diets?
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#1250679 - 04/20/12 12:51 PM Re: The Wombaroo High Protein Diet (Part Two) [Re: DCMuffin]
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Josefine, I THINK one reason why people get feelings hurt, and why I stress all the time about asking your vet is because if someone comes up with a diet, then they share it, then someone else uses it and their glider gets sick, they blame it on the diet and that diet's writer. Plus some people put a lot of work into the diets they "write" and it is hurtful when you have done all this work and research and someone finds fault with it. It is a human and normal response.

as for the confusion...LOL...you are NOT the only one! There are others who MAY have been confused as well, and I just wanted to clarify, so I hope I didnt offend you with the "confusion" remark ((hug))

And while the products are different, similar of course, they do seem to have the same tendency for separation. I have also tried the HPW plus and complete powders and had the same separation happen. And yes, they separate even before they freeze solid and you can see it in the frozen cubes.

As for the coats...hummmmm .... maybe some diets are just metabolized better by some gliders than others ??? maybe it is just the change itself and not really the diet???
No answer there. But it is one reason why we need to be very observant of our gliders, especially when we change their diets.
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#1250752 - 04/20/12 05:51 PM Re: The Wombaroo High Protein Diet (Part Two) [Re: DCMuffin]
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I'm in no way offended by anyone & I don't want to offend anyone,either.
I definitely am not finding fault w/anyone's diet.
I am very great full that we have these people on GC.
I just can't imagine the work that goes into making a diet,my simple mind won't let me comprehend it.
W/out them we'd(gliders)be in worse shape than ever.
Trying to find out possible improvements should actually be welcomed,IMO,especially if these items could prove to be beneficial.
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#1250830 - 04/21/12 12:21 AM Re: The Wombaroo High Protein Diet (Part Two) [Re: DCMuffin]
Sherri Offline
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Loc: Big Sandy TN
I am wondering what time you guys feed your gliders? Just a thought.....could it be too early and it has to much time to sit and seperate?

I feed very late. Anywhere between 10-12pm every night and sometimes even later than that. Mine doesn't get a chance to re-seperate after I shook the bottle because they get up and thats the first thing they go for. Then the rest of the night they are going to town on their fruits and veggies.

Like I said, it was just a thought.
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#1250868 - 04/21/12 10:54 AM Re: The Wombaroo High Protein Diet (Part Two) [Re: DCMuffin]
ValkyrieMome Offline
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Loc: Denton, TX
Originally Posted By: JeremysDad
ETA: I don't see anything about the "cookie" part other than it will not be available til May or so ?

Anyone tried it over yogurt and maybe that absorbs it a bit more? Versus the HPW powder and water in a dish?


The cookie part is available now! It is the Carnivore diet that we have to wait until May for.

I mix the WHPS powder with 1/3 water, 1/3 Kieffer (liquid yogurt, kinda) and 1/3 honey. The yogurt thickens it. My gliders seem to love it, and even if they don't eat this part right away, they seem to lick their bowls, so they are getting and 'sediment' also. I know many people don't like the honey - but I've done some amount of research on the health benefits of honey, and I concluded that some is beneficial.

I personally like the way you came up with a solution, JillMarie. It sounds like it works for you and your concerns. YOUR concern was the separation, and you came up with a nutritious solution.

Maybe that sediment isn't a concern for others? I don't know - but I don't think you mentioning your solution needs to be a "can of worms!" It is just another way of offering food to your gliders. If they don't eat it, it isn't "nutrition", right!?
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