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#1272580 - 07/09/12 05:34 AM Cinnamon glider?
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I saw these 2 joeys the other day listed as cinnamon. I could not see a difference between them and my standards. What makes them cinnamon?


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#1272590 - 07/09/12 07:31 AM Re: Cinnamon glider? [Re: HollyGlider]
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The pictures aren't great quality so I can't tell for sure, but they good have a more red/brown tint to their fur than a classic grey. Cinnamons do tend to look very similar to greys so unless you have a picture with a cinni next to a classic you can't always tell the difference.
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#1272622 - 07/09/12 10:08 AM Re: Cinnamon glider? [Re: HollyGlider]
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I don't see a cinnamon glider, I see a standard grey.
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#1272634 - 07/09/12 10:37 AM Re: Cinnamon glider? [Re: HollyGlider]
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I thought they were standard gray. I bought a joey from this lady once that was supposed to be cinnamon, but I really didn't see a difference.

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#1272638 - 07/09/12 10:56 AM Re: Cinnamon glider? [Re: HollyGlider]
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I see adorable little standard grays as well. heart If I'm not mistaken, cinnamon gliders come with a lot of controversy as a lot of people believe the red/brownish undertones of their fur is simply nothing more than staining. dunno A lot of "cinnamons" turn back to a lovely shade of gray once their diets are switched or they're kept in cleaner living conditions. dunno
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#1272654 - 07/09/12 12:03 PM Re: Cinnamon glider? [Re: HollyGlider]
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yep. I'm one of those that doesn't believe that "cinnie" is a true color.

diet (even the "approved" diets) can have an effect on the coloring of gliders. you can even have 4 gliders in the same cage eating the same food and only one have the diet effect their coloring.

I agree...I see adorable but grey joeys.
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#1272656 - 07/09/12 12:06 PM Re: Cinnamon glider? [Re: HollyGlider]
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A lot of the time i see standards falsely advertised as cinnamon for profit. I didn't know these gliders were standard when i got my first glider a while back. It was also sick. But now i know to check them out before i get them.

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#1274470 - 07/15/12 11:57 AM Re: Cinnamon glider? [Re: etrnalsunshinee]
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Originally Posted By: etrnalsunshinee
Cinnamons do tend to look very similar to greys so unless you have a picture with a cinni next to a classic you can't always tell the difference.


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Juliana is my Cinnamon, Raphael is my Classic Grey. I've been told many times that Juliana's fur is 'stained', but she gets exactly the same diet as Raphael. vet also confirmed. Doesn't matter to me, she is happy, healthy, and in far better shape than when we first found the little girl, terrified and alone, in the front yard roughly 3 months ago. And I love 'em both!

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#1274518 - 07/15/12 06:51 PM Re: Cinnamon glider? [Re: HollyGlider]
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That is a great color comparison shot! But if its only been 3 months on the new diet, she could still turn a beautiful grey.
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#1274682 - 07/16/12 02:25 PM Re: Cinnamon glider? [Re: HollyGlider]
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I was thinking the same thing, Shelly. It's been a very short amount of time and diet can take several months before it works its magic. Also keep in mind that each glider metabolizes diet differently so even some gliders that are on a perfectly healthy diet have a bit of tint to them sometimes.
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#1274684 - 07/16/12 02:37 PM Re: Cinnamon glider? [Re: HollyGlider]
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My Kiki is like that also. She's had the same exact food as Meeko for as long as they've been together and she's more brown than he is.


Meeko



Kiki


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#1274722 - 07/16/12 05:28 PM Re: Cinnamon glider? [Re: kikimeeko13]
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Originally Posted By: kikimeeko13
My Kiki is like that also. She's had the same exact food as Meeko for as long as they've been together and she's more brown than he is.


Meeko



Kiki


Kiki is really brown and pretty.

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#1274752 - 07/16/12 08:32 PM Re: Cinnamon glider? [Re: HollyGlider]
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What you have are grays. Spencer would beg to differ with you Dancing! He is WFC. His skin is even real pink in color
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#1274795 - 07/16/12 11:42 PM Re: Cinnamon glider? [Re: HollyGlider]
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Thank you Holly!

I'm not really sure if Cinnamon is really a color or not and i absolutely HATE not having their lineage, ya know? And because they've been on the exact same diet and stuff, i don't know why she'd be so brown?
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#1274812 - 07/17/12 01:06 AM Re: Cinnamon glider? [Re: HollyGlider]
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There are many, many variations of the gray glider. These range from very light grays that look almost silver to the "black beauties" which have thick black markings and darker fur color plus every color in-between. This includes shades of brown. Look up brownies (google sugar glider brownie color). While these gliders do look more brown, I don't really consider them their own coloration. I believe they are a variation along the gray scale.

Of course diet, environment, etc could all be factors. I just wanted to get the whole gray-scale thing out there. Just like there are a ton of different mosaics out there that are all just different looking mosaics, I also believe that there are a lot of different grays out there that are all just different looking grays.
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#1274916 - 07/17/12 12:50 PM Re: Cinnamon glider? [Re: HollyGlider]
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I agree with StitchsMom. You can have a glider that is more brown in color and that be its natural color - its just a variation of the standard grey. However, most times when we see a "cinnamon" glider, it is due to diet and when put on a good diet eventually become a beautiful grey glider.
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#1274950 - 07/17/12 02:55 PM Re: Cinnamon glider? [Re: kikimeeko13]
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I have seen gliders in mine's lineage that says red variations and they are brown tinted with red markings. Maybe somewhere along the lines if she is not stained, she could have buttercream in her?

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#1274961 - 07/17/12 03:39 PM Re: Cinnamon glider? [Re: Dancing]
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Originally Posted By: Dancing
yep. I'm one of those that doesn't believe that "cinnie" is a true color.

diet (even the "approved" diets) can have an effect on the coloring of gliders. you can even have 4 gliders in the same cage eating the same food and only one have the diet effect their coloring.

I agree...I see adorable but grey joeys.


I agree with Teresa - I'm not a believer in true cinnamons, either. Yes, I have seen those gliders that look it and I don't think there is anything wrong with the color or anything, it's just another shade of gray (that doesn't appear gray, lol).

I have had two girls that have looked cinnamon and my others all look gray. BUT I have seen BOTH of these girls look a gorgeous crisp gray on other diets. I think gliders just digest/process their food differently (just like people do) and sometimes it affects their color. The diet they were on years ago, when Lili turned gray made a couple of my other gliders really overweight and appear not as healthy, so they didn't stay on it. Every other diet, Lili looks beige, her skin is very pink also, but her fur is dark reddish-brown where it should be black, and beige or cream colored where it should be gray or white. It is a very uniform and not unattractive color, but it doesn't make her a true cinnamon.

But that's just my opinion. wink


Edited by sugarlope (07/17/12 03:40 PM)
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#1274968 - 07/17/12 03:58 PM Re: Cinnamon glider? [Re: HollyGlider]
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Sometimes I think it's sad when people are like "Oh I just got this beautiful cinnamon glider" when in reality, it could be unhealthy/stained.

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#1275006 - 07/17/12 06:33 PM Re: Cinnamon glider? [Re: HollyGlider]
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Originally Posted By: HollyGlider
Sometimes I think it's sad when people are like "Oh I just got this beautiful cinnamon glider" when in reality, it could be unhealthy/stained.



I just want to note here that not all stained gliders are unhealthy.
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#1275010 - 07/17/12 07:00 PM Re: Cinnamon glider? [Re: Dancing]
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Originally Posted By: Dancing
Originally Posted By: HollyGlider
Sometimes I think it's sad when people are like "Oh I just got this beautiful cinnamon glider" when in reality, it could be unhealthy/stained.



I just want to note here that not all stained gliders are unhealthy.


My Mudbug was healthy as a horse... He was just really really badly stained when I got him.. He was orange.

Hi staining has pretty much gone now.

I do have one little girl who has a brownish tint to her, but she is still a standard grey to me. I don't really think there is such a thing as a cinnamon either...
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#1275025 - 07/17/12 08:02 PM Re: Cinnamon glider? [Re: Dancing]
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Originally Posted By: Dancing
I just want to note here that not all stained gliders are unhealthy.

I also agree with this - staining and/or a different coat color does not always mean unhealthy, unclean, malnourished, abused or neglected. thumb
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#1275028 - 07/17/12 08:18 PM Re: Cinnamon glider? [Re: sugarlope]
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Originally Posted By: sugarlope
Originally Posted By: Dancing
I just want to note here that not all stained gliders are unhealthy.

I also agree with this - staining and/or a different coat color does not always mean unhealthy, unclean, malnourished, abused or neglected. thumb

So it doesn't mean they are malnourished? I always thought if they were stained that they were not on a healthy diet. I learn something new about them everyday.

I do know my "cinnamon" glider was malnourished and now is healthy and grey.

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#1275035 - 07/17/12 08:42 PM Re: Cinnamon glider? [Re: HollyGlider]
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Yes, some of them absolutely are. But this is not always true. As I said, one of mine is brown/beige, but she is 9 years old and has been this color (except for a few months) since she was 1 yr old and had several very healthy, beautiful joeys while she was breeding. I have seen many such gliders, that while their color is not a crisp, bright gray, they are very healthy, active, good appetites, on good diets.
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#1275042 - 07/17/12 08:56 PM Re: Cinnamon glider? [Re: HollyGlider]
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My Kiki has a very good appetite and is very very active especially in her wheel. She's one of the more brown colored suggies I have seen. She's very healthy, active, and happy…just a little more on the brown side smile
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#1275047 - 07/17/12 09:44 PM Re: Cinnamon glider? [Re: HollyGlider]
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What about Spencer, he has been cin for 5 years!
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#1275077 - 07/17/12 11:35 PM Re: Cinnamon glider? [Re: HollyGlider]
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Spencer is stained from all the smooches he gets!
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#1275084 - 07/18/12 01:38 AM Re: Cinnamon glider? [Re: HollyGlider]
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no, hes not, lol he is a white faced cinnamon.
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#1275109 - 07/18/12 07:36 AM Re: Cinnamon glider? [Re: HollyGlider]
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I've never really wondered extensively about this topic but this thread has me thinking. If cinnamon really is a variation - is there evidence from lineage to prove it?
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#1275130 - 07/18/12 08:54 AM Re: Cinnamon glider? [Re: yiyo]
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I was thinking the same thing. Maybe there is buttercream, etc in the lineage. I've seen standard gliders that are light brown tinted and come from creamino lines.

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