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#134671 - 08/19/06 11:36 AM Quiko Sugar Glider Food
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I was wondering if anybody knows about this glider food here is the link. http://www.petco.com/Shop/Product.aspx?R...65&#details i just want to know if it would be good or not thanks.

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#134672 - 08/19/06 12:20 PM Re: Quiko Sugar Glider Food [Re: ]
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That food is ok as a side dish, we just have a little dish in the cage that is full of it most of the time, our gliders dont usually eat it, though sometimes they take a few pellets. However, its definitely not good to ONLY feed this to them; the girl we got our Marz from was constantly traveling on the weekends all of a sudden and she would just leave that food in there as their main diet.... well a few weekends down the road, the mother and newly borns suddenly died, and a few days later so did daddy.... dont really know if that food was the cause or maybe it was depression of not really seeing their "forever mommy", either way, the quiko stuff even says its not a true substitute diet. The reason we got it was because it seemed like a good source of food that wouldnt really spoil as easily that could just be an "extra" source of protein and such for them.

Anyway, bottom line, ok as a side dish, bad as a substitute diet. Good luck. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />

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#134673 - 08/19/06 12:35 PM Re: Quiko Sugar Glider Food [Re: ]
SugarBlossoms Offline
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I personally wouldn't let my gliders have 1 pellet of that stuff. Feed them a proven diet. You can find quite a few here on GC under the diet link.

Pellets are not good for suggies to have, period.

Marz, just curious, why feed it to them when they won't eat it? Insectivore fare is what I use for the daytime snacking along with a yogurt drop or piece of fruit.
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#134674 - 08/19/06 12:59 PM Re: Quiko Sugar Glider Food [Re: ]
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Registered: 07/20/06
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My guys love this as a daytime snack. I'm not sure they are eating it, or playing with it, but alot of it is gone each evening. Despite popular believe, my guys do eat during the day, when they want to. They also eat their BML, but don't like their fruit or veggies. We're working on that! Of course, their wet food is not left out during the day...yuck!

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#134675 - 08/19/06 02:31 PM Re: Quiko Sugar Glider Food [Re: ]
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I personally wouldn't let my gliders have 1 pellet of that stuff. Feed them a proven diet. You can find quite a few here on GC under the diet link.

Pellets are not good for suggies to have, period.


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Why do you say pellets aren't good for sugar gliders? I feed pellets and my gliders love them and my vet approves. I believe a high quality hard pellet food is a great addition to my gliders' diet.
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#134676 - 08/19/06 05:46 PM Re: Quiko Sugar Glider Food [Re: ]
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I agree with North.. I've worked for a zoo, and currently work for a vet that all say (along with my normal vets) that a hard pellet is not harmful to them. Brisky's, this one from PetCo, and a food called ZooFood A are my staples.. along with Monkey biscuits.. I use those all as just side items though, to leave in the cage all the time on top of thier normal diet, which includes insectivore.

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#134677 - 08/20/06 12:55 PM Re: Quiko Sugar Glider Food [Re: ]
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My suggies wouldn't touch it, even when I tried to trick them with icing it. I now use the SOFT pellets and they LOVE it.

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#134678 - 08/20/06 02:38 PM Re: Quiko Sugar Glider Food [Re: ]
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i would prefer to use the soft pellets where do you get them from

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#134679 - 08/20/06 02:49 PM Re: Quiko Sugar Glider Food [Re: ]
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First of all, you seem to forget that gliders are sapsuckers by nature. What good is the dry pelleted food (namely Quiko, Brisky's, etc.) going to do for our precious exotic animals? Have you heard of a condition called "Lumpy Jaw"?

There have been several discussions about Quiko pelleted food here at GC and all you have to do is type in "Quiko" in the search engine right here at this forum and you will find many replies that many people replied about Quiko not recommended for feeding. If you are unsure about something, then by all means use the search and more than likely you will find an answer you are seeking. That is what I do all the time.

I am sorry if I sound harsh, but come on, use your brain and use the search engine and find the answers you are looking for.

Just my two cents.


Jen

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#134680 - 08/20/06 03:16 PM Re: Quiko Sugar Glider Food [Re: ]
North_Nocturne Offline
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Registered: 04/19/06
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Loc: Cincinnati, Ohio
Gliders cannot get lumpy jaw. Please educate yourself before going on a rant. Do you think being rude and nasty is going to encourage anyone to take your advice?

Lumpy Jaw Updated Information
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#134681 - 08/20/06 03:19 PM Re: Quiko Sugar Glider Food [Re: ]
North_Nocturne Offline
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Registered: 04/19/06
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i would prefer to use the soft pellets where do you get them from

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You can buy the soft pellet glider food from Suncoast or Exotic Nutrition.
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#134682 - 08/20/06 03:42 PM Re: Quiko Sugar Glider Food [Re: ]
Carrie T Offline
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Registered: 06/10/01
Posts: 4049
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I have to agree here, lumpy jaw is just a tooth infection pure and simple. Proper nutrition promotes good dental hygiene but I don't think that excludes hard pellets that might help clean the teeth. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/ohwell.gif" alt="" />

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#134683 - 08/20/06 03:53 PM Re: Quiko Sugar Glider Food [Re: ]
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Lumpy jaw is simply an upper jaw infection which can be caused by ANY scratch or abrasion in the mouth. This can come from a hard pelleted food, chewing on branches, eating insects with hard exoskeletons, etc...

Now, you have to ask yourself about risk management. Yes, cleen teeth are important. They clean their teeth naturally by eating the bugs & chewing the branches - so why do we, as caregivers, need to add another risk of upper jaw infection by feeding hard pelleted food? I, personally, would like to limit the health risks, I impose on my babies.

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#134684 - 08/20/06 04:08 PM Re: Quiko Sugar Glider Food [Re: ]
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Registered: 06/14/05
Posts: 1874
Loc: St. Charles, IL
Okay, there are two sides here.

The first seems to be that hard pellets can cause "lumpy law" and therefor shouldnt be fed to gliders.

The second seems to be that gliders cant get "lumpy jaw" and therefor should be allowed to eat pellets.

The people who believe the first side of the story are people who feed a proven diet and believe gliders shouldnt be given pellet food. I think lumpy jaw is just an excuse to say "pellet food is bad". While it may not exist in gliders, the animals can still get cuts and sores on their gums, which causes a sore mouth which may make things too uncomfortable to eat.

The people who believe the second side are people who feed pellet food and dont think anything is wrong with it because THEY'VE never had any problems with it. So they try to defend themselves and say "pellet food cant hurt gliders". Fair enough.

Both sides appear to have some false information to them. Perhaps it's just safe to say that pellet food CAN be fed, just dont be alarmed if your glider gets a sore mouth =P
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#134685 - 08/20/06 04:11 PM Re: Quiko Sugar Glider Food [Re: ]
North_Nocturne Offline
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Registered: 04/19/06
Posts: 607
Loc: Cincinnati, Ohio
It would be interesting to do a survey of owners who have had gliders with mouth sores and abssesses to see how many feed a hard pellet diet versus those who feed some form of BML or soft pellets.

I just did a quick forum search and the first post I saw about an owner with a glider experiencing "lumpy jaw" is someone who feeds only BML and soft foods. You can see it HERE.

Is there any actual proof that gliders who eat a hard pellet diet are more prone to mouth and jaw infections? It seems some gliders are simply predisposed to certain types of infection (I know one of my gliders has problems with reoccuring UTI's) or an already compromised immune system is could be a major cause.
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#134686 - 08/20/06 04:15 PM Re: Quiko Sugar Glider Food [Re: ]
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All right, people seem to abuse the "lumpy jaw" term. While it is true that gliders cannot get lumpy jaw, people use the term of "lumpy jaw" to describe the symptoms of a lumpy jaw, for lack of a better term.


Jen

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#134687 - 08/20/06 04:17 PM Re: Quiko Sugar Glider Food [Re: ]
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I encourage those that tend to mix diets around to actually feed the components of that "one" diet as I am for you today, I don't feed crunchy pellets due to the diet I have all of my suggies on (BML).

But it has been a contraversal issue that hard items that scratch the gums of a glider to cause an abrasion, causing an infection and leading to what was believed and many label as "Lumpy Jaw", AND, no ranting involved, and I really don't want to see any posts closed or locked due to any of that nonsence or accusations. I really don't think Pix was being rude or nasty, some of us are very passionate about the diets we choose for our suggies.... So the best we can do is to keep our researching efforts up and spreading the word of our findings. And I thank you for that, North.

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#134688 - 08/20/06 04:19 PM Re: Quiko Sugar Glider Food [Re: ]
North_Nocturne Offline
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The second seems to be that gliders cant get "lumpy jaw" and therefor should be allowed to eat pellets.

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That's incorrect at least on my part. I don't believe gliders should be fed pellets because gliders can't get the condition known as lumpy jaw. I simply don't believe hard pellets will cause mouth and jaw infections in an otherwise healthy glider.
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#134689 - 08/20/06 04:55 PM Re: Quiko Sugar Glider Food [Re: ]
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I left some in for mine as a daytime snack (because mine like to get up and nibble a bit during the day)-- they ate some for a while, but after a couple of days they seemed to get tired of it and now they won't touch it. So I just put some fresh veggies in first thing in the morning so they can snack on those.

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#134690 - 08/20/06 05:32 PM Re: Quiko Sugar Glider Food [Re: ]
CD_Hanratty Offline
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Registered: 06/14/05
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Loc: St. Charles, IL
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The second seems to be that gliders cant get "lumpy jaw" and therefor should be allowed to eat pellets.

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That's incorrect at least on my part. I don't believe gliders should be fed pellets because gliders can't get the condition known as lumpy jaw. I simply don't believe hard pellets will cause mouth and jaw infections in an otherwise healthy glider.

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That's what I meant <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/thumb.gif" alt="" />
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#134691 - 08/20/06 06:01 PM Re: Quiko Sugar Glider Food [Re: ]
Carrie T Offline
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Registered: 06/10/01
Posts: 4049
Loc: Doniphan Mo
I'm a BML user but just don't believe that hard pellets cause lumpy jaw <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wave.gif" alt="" />

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#134692 - 08/21/06 02:23 AM Re: Quiko Sugar Glider Food [Re: ]
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Registered: 09/10/04
Posts: 22746
Loc: 80 acres of paradise in KS
Many times new glider owners will do a little research about gliders and jump to conclusions. Gliders have been around the US and GC for years and years. Even after having gliders for 9 years, I am still learning about them.

When gliders were still a fairly new companion animal, there were many cases of lumpy jaw, Iím sorry, jaw/facial infections, just as there were many cases of hind leg paralysis leading to death. Many of the soft diets have been created because of these early on cases such as the original Leadbeaters Mix and the BML due to., in part, the findings of scratches and abrasions in the mouth caused by hard foods and/or any other hard items put in the mouth.

Many of the Senior members here have had gliders for years and their combined experiences have led to much of the knowledge we now have about gliders. I have nothing but respect for those that have spent their time and energy trying to teach new owners what many of them have learned the hard way. They deserve nothing but respect for their efforts. They do this to try to prevent the deaths or injuries/illness of other gliders through ignorance of those who have done little research or have little experience.

It is good to question but it is harmful to ignore what the combined YEARS AND YEARS of experience can teach.
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#134693 - 08/23/06 08:27 PM Re: Quiko Sugar Glider Food [Re: ]
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First of all, you seem to forget that gliders are sapsuckers by nature.



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I have had gliders for roughly 3 years, USDA licensed for almost 2 of those (as well as worked for an exotics vet and a zoo), and have found that this is not entirely true. They do, in the wild, eat the saps and sugars of many different trees.. but they are scientifically classified as omnivores because they do eat other things (bugs, small mammals/rodents, leaves, fruits, etc). They do not soley subsist on the nectar/sugar of plants/flowers. Hence, the insectivore, chicken baby foods in BML, etc.

Just a clarification.. I do believe it explains this in the Barron's Sugar Glider book as well as on most educational sites on gliders.

I prefer to use the pelleted foods (which include those saps and extracts you are refering to, at least Brisky's does) over giving them branches that can flake off or splinter and possibly cause other situations, such as unneccesary jaw infections from a splinter being stuck in the gums or something like that. I do occasionally give them eucaluptus branches, but always remove them if any wear or splintering seems imminent.

Just my opinion here.. everyone is entitled.

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#134694 - 08/23/06 09:10 PM Re: Quiko Sugar Glider Food [Re: ]
Judie Offline
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Registered: 10/25/01
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My gliders are all on the BML diet plan and are also have a dry staple food (Mazuri)in a cup inside their cages 24/7.

I own over fifteen pairs of gliders(USDA Licensed for over seven years) and never in my nine and half years of owning gliders has one of them ever developed Lumpy Jaw.

Problem I see with feeding an all pelleted diet... if the glider does not obtain the proper ratio of moisture in their diet... which is usually from their consumption of fresh fruits and veggies... they become constipated. Cronic constipation can lead to a severe impactions which can be life threatening to any sugar glider.


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#134695 - 08/23/06 11:49 PM Re: Quiko Sugar Glider Food [Re: ]
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I give my gliders monkey biscuits during the day and they have had no problems whatsoever. i do however take any that are left in the cage out at night because they need to eat their veggies fruits and BML.

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