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#135259 - 08/20/06 09:07 PM Baytril
North_Nocturne Offline
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Registered: 04/19/06
Posts: 608
Loc: Cincinnati, Ohio
I'd appreciate advice from anyone with experience with Baytril and UTI's. My glider, North, has had a near constant UTI since the day I brought him home. I don't want to get into a big, rambling story about it, but so far he's been on 3 antibiotics that have reduced his colony count, but never truly eliminated the bacteria.

I took a new urine sample in last Friday but unfortunately the vet tech only did a urinalysis on it and not a culture and sensitivity. I talked to my vet (who I trust a lot and has worked on many gliders and other exotics) on Saturday and he would like to put North under for x-rays because he suspects an ectopic ureter might be the underlying cause of the constant infection. We talked about everthing and I'm trying to gather information and think things out right now.

I think I would really like North to go through a course of Baytril before we do anything else. Baytril seems like a very good antibiotic that wipes out most UTI's. My sister had constant kidney infections and a bunch of antibiotics failed to get rid of it until an ER doctor prescribed Cipro for her and she has never had one since. Maybe something similar is going on with North.

I'm really scared to begin exploring the possibility of a malformation of the urinary tract causing the infections. Once we move on to those possibilities things could get pretty hopeless because the surgery to correct something like an ectopic ureter is probably too invasive for a glider to survive. If it comes to that, my vet knows some vets at Ohio State to consult with to figure out if anything could be done.

I'm dropping off a sterile sample for culture and sensivity tomorrow morning and when those results come in I need to feel confident that whatever decision I make for North will be the best for him.
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#135260 - 08/20/06 09:13 PM Re: Baytril [Re: ]
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Jen, Xfilefan, has a little glider who has had a UTI for almost 3 years (he is a fairly new rescue to her). I would shoot her a pm and ask her what meds her little guy was put on.
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#135261 - 08/20/06 11:43 PM Re: Baytril [Re: ]

I work at PetSmart and we put our little hamsters and guinne pigs on Baytril (vet approved) for UTI's, URI, and several other things our vet says it works real well in most of our animals. But I know this doesnt always fall true for gliders.

#135262 - 08/20/06 11:49 PM Re: Baytril [Re: ]

If a UTI is not clearing up, it is not likely because of the wrong antibiotic. Most of the common antibiotics have good activity against urinary tract pathogens. Because the body excretes many of the meds through the urinary tract, the antibiotic levels reach high amounts and are at great kill levels. (It is much harder to get reasonable levels to many other tissues, but bladder and kidney are simple.)

A urinary tract infection of long duration is almost never a problem of antibiotic resistance or failure. It is more likely that treatment failure in that location is from abnormal anatomy, bad plumbing, stones, refluxing valves and similar anatomy issues. A cloaca complicates that even more.

An internal study may be the only way to get an answer as to what is the cause of a recurrent or resistant infection. That's what we would do with your toddler. But the bad or worse news is that it may not be as readily fixed in a glider. Since one can't easily access glider urological surgery, it may be a frustrating pursuit to have the answer but not be able to fix it. Re-implanting a glider ureter has got to be a terribly difficult undertaking, and I doubt if anyone has ever done it. It certainly makes the more boring plan of antibiotics only take on more interest. At least it fixes those things fixable.

#135263 - 08/21/06 12:04 AM Re: Baytril [Re: ]

One other thought, not every urine culture collected from an owner of a cloaca is giving the result you are expecting. Urine traveling from kidney to ureter to bladder should be sterile. Urine traveling bladder to tee-shirt travels through a cloaca, which allows it to mix with germy stool on the way out. It is expected to have germs at that point. Are you sure it is a UTI? Not every positive culture in this situation means what it does in people. If the glider is thriving and not ill, I would be careful about how this culture is interpreted and analyzed. Just another thought.

#135264 - 08/21/06 12:23 AM Re: Baytril [Re: ]

When we were trying to figure out what was wrong with Jeepers, her urine culture and sensitivity only grew e. coli, but I assumed that was due to the fact that it went through the cloaca.

#135265 - 08/21/06 10:12 AM Re: Baytril [Re: ]
Charlie H Offline
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Registered: 11/13/03
Posts: 1659
Loc: Wallis Texas
A sterile urine sample should be taken by the vet and a culture and sensitivity done. In this particular case the standard ways of collecting urine samples do not seem to be providing the answer you are looking for. I would have to question if the glider actually has a urine infection or if there is not some other underlying problem.

One of the side effects of Baytril is that crystals can develop in the urinary tract. Clavamox may be a better choice in this case. But I would not experiment with either medication until proper diagnosis is done. Before randomly advancing into the more elaborate tests I would insist that a sterile and controlled urinalysis is done. If extra care is not taken when doing the basic tests it is senseless to invest in more elaborate and expensive tests.
Charlie H
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