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#135963 - 08/22/06 11:44 AM Breeding Leus and Mozaics
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Do you have to breed a Leu to another leu or het? Can you breed a Leu to a standard grey and still get a leu? What about Mozaics? What can you breed them with to get that beautiful color? I am not in any kind of breeding program right now, but some day when I have more funds and a bigger house I want to have a leu or mozaic. They are so beautiful!

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#135964 - 08/22/06 12:16 PM Re: Breeding Leus and Mozaics [Re: ]
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With leucistics, you need both parents to have the gene in order to produce a leu. Two leu hets can produce a leu. Mosaics are different. A mosaic can be produced with a mosaic and a standard. Most breeders are breeding mosaics to a wf or a leu het and getting mosaic babies.

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#135965 - 08/22/06 05:43 PM Re: Breeding Leus and Mozaics [Re: ]
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How do the genetics work if you pair a Mosaic with a Leucistic? Is the Mosaic Dominate? Is it the Mosaics that have problems with the males being sterile?

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#135966 - 08/22/06 07:07 PM Re: Breeding Leus and Mozaics [Re: ]
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Mosaics are known for having sterile males... I don't know how many of them are but there are some.

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#135967 - 08/22/06 07:12 PM Re: Breeding Leus and Mozaics [Re: RSXTC]
myangelbear77 Offline
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My male mosiac is sterile (just don't tll him!) - all males I have heard of have been sterile...
Now try throwing that whole white variation in the mix... ? question - is that a ressesive gene or must the parent be variated?
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#135968 - 08/22/06 07:20 PM Re: Breeding Leus and Mozaics [Re: Feather]
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Miss Judie has 2 lines of mosaics, as I remember, one is sterile and one is producing.

I believe if you pair a leu with a mosaic, the leu is dominant, however, please don't quote me because I'm just learning. I think when you're trying for mosaic, you need to pair with a lesser het for leu or a wfb to get the prettiest babies,however, mosaics are unpredictable & throw color as they please.

I'm sure a breeder of these beauties will be along shortly to correct & add to!

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#135969 - 08/22/06 07:40 PM Re: Breeding Leus and Mozaics [Re: ]
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If you bred a Mosaic to a Leucistic, I beleive that the Mosaic gene would dominate the Leucisitic gene because the Leucistic gene is recessive, meaning that you must have a mate with the Leu gene to get a Leu, and the Mosaic gene is Co-Dominant meaning it can produce Mosaic color with any color of glider. Got all that? <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/roflmao.gif" alt="" />Correct me if I am wrong, I'm still learning.

At this point, since most Mosaic lines have sterility in them, we are not wanting to introduce the sterility problem into the Leucistic line. I think if someone did pair a Mosaic with a Leucistic, that the only thing that the Leu gene might do is make the baby lighter. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/nixweiss.gif" alt="" />
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#135970 - 08/22/06 07:59 PM Re: Breeding Leus and Mozaics [Re: ]
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Well this thread is about as clear as mud! <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/roflmao.gif" alt="" />

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#135971 - 08/22/06 08:23 PM Re: Breeding Leus and Mozaics [Re: ]
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I believe the purpose of breeding leucistic into the mosaic line is to strive for lighter mosaics with more white. We are not looking to breed full white, as we already have that with leucistics. The funny thing about breeding a mosaic to a "lesser" leu het is that there really isn't such a thing, lol. Either the glider is a 100% leu het or it doesn't carry the gene at all.

There is a completely non-sterile line of mosaics. Priscilla Price's Snow White is a wild caught mosaic who has no sterility in her line, because Priscilla has been properly breeding the line without inbreeding the line. The line of mosaics that originated from Helen Morano was so inbred before Priscilla got a hold of it, that all the males produced have been sterile. After carefully outbreeding the line like she has done, Priscilla is starting to see some non sterile males in the 3rd and forth generation. Hopefully buy the 5th generation, that line will have been completely bred out and the sterility issues should be gone.

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#135972 - 08/22/06 08:27 PM Re: Breeding Leus and Mozaics [Re: ]
kitsune Offline
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i'd like to know what would happen if you paired a leucistic to an albino. they're both recessive, so neither can carry the gray gene, which means no grays can come of the pairing. would you get a mix of albino and leucistic? every joey would get two genes...one would always be leucistic, one always albino, since the leucistic parent can only contribute the leucistic gene and the albino parent can only contribute the albino gene...so how could they vary in color at all? would we end up with a white glider that had dark red eyes, like a cremino? or would one genetic variation take domination over the other?

i wonder why no one's tried it, just for experimentation purposes....
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#135973 - 08/22/06 08:28 PM Re: Breeding Leus and Mozaics [Re: ]
Lynsie Offline
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Let me see if I can clear that up a little. . .
This is what could result from this pairing (assuming the Mosaic has sterility in it's line):
Mosaic x Leucistic =
- NO Leucistics, UNLESS the Mosaic has a Leu gene
- Mosaic 100% leu het joey, either male or female (male would be sterile)
- 100% leu het male that is sterile (this is what we don't want)
- 100% leu het female that may not be sterile


Edited by Lynsie (08/23/06 11:24 AM)
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#135974 - 08/22/06 11:25 PM Re: Breeding Leus and Mozaics [Re: ]
Anonymous
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That makes alot of sence...thanks for the education!

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#135975 - 08/22/06 11:37 PM Re: Breeding Leus and Mozaics [Re: ]
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Kitsune~
I am with you.. I want to try this when I get my first albino.. I have a leu, so maybe I'll be the first to try? Mostly for interest sake.. I know breeding two hets together may be futile.. but two whites would have to give you something...

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#135976 - 08/23/06 06:31 AM Re: Breeding Leus and Mozaics [Re: ]
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Believe me, Beth, I am considering it. I have been told that I would end up with a gray, double het, but I don't see how that is possible. Right now I do not have a leu female that I old enough to breed with my albino male. When Angel is a little older, I would like to put her with Alabaster and hopefully leave them together.

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#135977 - 08/23/06 06:33 AM Re: Breeding Leus and Mozaics [Re: ]
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Also, Lynsie, any mosaics that you got out of a mosaic x leu pairing would also be 100% leu het.

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#135978 - 08/23/06 11:25 AM Re: Breeding Leus and Mozaics [Re: ]
Lynsie Offline
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Duh! Okay, I fixed it, lol.
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#135979 - 08/24/06 04:09 PM Re: Breeding Leus and Mozaics [Re: ]
myangelbear77 Offline
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wow a 100% lue het mosiac - now thats a price tag! not to mention an interesting glider!
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