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#1375734 - 08/10/14 09:28 PM Cooked bones & using hard foods to clean teeth
kelsbar Offline
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Registered: 02/13/14
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Loc: Virginia, USA
I keep seeing this around the glider community and wanted to clear up any misconceptions.

Sometimes people suggest putting harder foods such as pellets, biscuits, or kibble in your glider's cages because they are "good for their teeth". While these harder foods may initially remove a small portion of plaque near the crown of their teeth, they contain a high amount of carbohydrates and may actually cause more plaque and tartar over time. They also do nothing for the gum line, which is where the danger of plaque and tartar lies. This began as a gimmick by dry food companies but if you look for an official statement, in order for these companies to avoid lawsuits they will tell you it's "not objectionable".

Someone told me today that they keep hard foods in their glider's cage to keep their teeth from getting too long. This is also untrue. Gliders teeth do not continue to grow like rodents do and hard foods will not trim them down.

I still keep a few dry foods in my glider's cages for them to have as a midday snack but they shouldn't be kept there for the sole reason to improve teeth. Because we are unable to brush our glider's teeth the only way I can think of to help keep lower levels of plaque and tartar are to occasionally give a raw meaty bone. Bones are mildly abrasive and will flex to the shape of teeth.

I have heard of people giving their gliders cooked bones... I am interested to hear what everyone here thinks of this. Personally I have always avoided cooked bones because in most animals they will splinter and cause sever GI tract issues. I have seen many emergency cases where dogs and cats have had to undergo surgery to remove broken splinters in their stomach. In gliders, a surgery this invasive is something I think should be avoided at all costs. The reasoning I have been given for giving gliders cooked bones is because they are sap suckers and will chew the marrow out but not crunch the bone.
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#1375735 - 08/10/14 11:39 PM Re: Cooked bones & using hard foods to clean teeth [Re: kelsbar]
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Cooked bones splinter. Period. I would NEVER give any of my pets cooked bones.
I think some give boiled wings and drumsticks. But to me that it is just asking for trouble.
Why not just give the boiled meat without the bone?
The marrow? Then give the bone raw.
Some people feed pinkies. Those aren't cooked. So why not give other raw meat?

I know of one person who did have a scare with their glider because of a cooked bone.
I don't remember who it was, though.

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#1375740 - 08/11/14 06:49 AM Re: Cooked bones & using hard foods to clean teeth [Re: kelsbar]
kelsbar Offline
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Loc: Virginia, USA
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Peggy Hernandez Brewer: There are MANY of us that feed chicken legs with the bones... Gliders do not chew a bone like dogs do. They get all the marrow from inside. It is ok to feed them cooked chicken legs, just be sure to pull most of the meat off it as you dont want to over feed the meat. 9y)
Peggy Hernandez Brewer: I'll stick to feeding cooked chicken bones and turkey necks.
Peggy Hernandez Brewer: I also do wings



I know Peggy has been around gliders for quite a while and I think she moderates here as well. I will ask her if she will chime in.

Tsuggielove I agree with you, I am new to the community but personally I have seen so many hurt animals from it that I wouldn't risk it.
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#1375742 - 08/11/14 07:03 AM Re: Cooked bones & using hard foods to clean teeth [Re: kelsbar]
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Registered: 10/30/03
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It is true, gliders teeth ARE fixed and do not continue to grow.

They do not attempt to chew on a bone like a dog or a cat, and they do indeed get all the marrow out from inside any bone that is given to them.

Neither are a danger to gliders, pellets or chicken bones. Both can help teeth, albeit it is not a tooth brush, but it still does assist in the plaque/tartar build up.

This is one of those areas where what may be good for one may not be the choice of another, and that is fine, but it does not mean one is right and one is wrong. Just different. thumb
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#1375762 - 08/11/14 01:07 PM Re: Cooked bones & using hard foods to clean teeth [Re: kelsbar]
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As for cooked bones: Glider mouths are not large enough nor strong enough to crush a large splintering bone, and then gulp down the splinters the way a dog MIGHT which would cause an issue.

However, they will bite at them until they can crack them so as to get the marrow out. Mine typically start at the end where the cartilage is located. I have given chicken leg bones, beef rib and pork rib bones with no issues.

As for the "sap sucker"...they are more like sap eaters. They will bite and tear at tree bark until the tree "bleeds" then they LAP up the sap that pools there.

As for raw...while I am a believer in using raw foods for dog and cats, I would not give my gliders raw meat products of any kind. Too many risks with such a small body. But that is MY opinion and the way I do things.
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#1375765 - 08/11/14 02:06 PM Re: Cooked bones & using hard foods to clean teeth [Re: kelsbar]
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I would never give raw either. They have such delicate digestive systems. Feeding something wrong could kill them.
They could actually get sick,anyway.
This is why we have a safe & an unsafe list for feeding our babies,on whatever we want to try to feed them.
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#1375884 - 08/13/14 03:17 PM Re: Cooked bones & using hard foods to clean teeth [Re: kelsbar]
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Thanks for that, JillMarie. I had so many people say that cooked bones were fine but no one explained in detail why. That makes sense.

I agree that any kind of raw diet would have to be done extremely carefully. Maybe some day in the future, but for now, while it is untested and we do not have a nutritionist to create such a diet IMO it is not worth it.
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#1383997 - 12/09/14 11:44 AM Re: Cooked bones & using hard foods to clean teeth [Re: kelsbar]
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Registered: 10/27/14
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Loc: Wiscsonsin, United States
If you are going for more of a natural diet, which I am, how would a sugar glider cook anything in the wild? Everything would be eaten raw. Which would be fine in the wild, for it is there sugar gliders are 100% removed from our modern processing facilities. Isn't that the real danger when considering raw or not raw meats, bones, eggs, etc.? How is a sugar glider going to cook an egg in the wild and it is definitely going to eat the yoke. What exactly is it that we need to consider when thinking about a natural diet for a sugar glider in the wild vs. their dietary needs in captivity?
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#1384002 - 12/09/14 03:33 PM Re: Cooked bones & using hard foods to clean teeth [Re: SugarBean]
Srlb Offline
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Loc: St. Johns, Florida
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for it is there sugar gliders are 100% removed from our modern processing facilities.


This is not necessarily so as I have seen a couple different people from Australia talk about how sugar gliders will also rummage through their trash.

It is not the ingredients one uses for a meal, it is the nutrients. thumb
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#1384165 - 12/12/14 07:46 AM Re: Cooked bones & using hard foods to clean teeth [Re: kelsbar]
SugarBean Offline
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Loc: Wiscsonsin, United States
That very well may be true, but you're missing my point. How is a sugar glider going to cook an egg it finds
in a nest? Or cook bones that it gets from
their prey? what if we bought eggs and meat from a farmer who butchered his cattle and chickens,
and fed them right?
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#1384170 - 12/12/14 08:33 AM Re: Cooked bones & using hard foods to clean teeth [Re: SugarBean]
Srlb Offline
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Loc: St. Johns, Florida
Eggs, cattle, chicken.... all proteins...

Gliders do not (and should not) consume high levels of proteins.
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#1384199 - 12/12/14 10:43 AM Re: Cooked bones & using hard foods to clean teeth [Re: kelsbar]
SugarBean Offline
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ok thanks smile that answered my question thanks
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#1392490 - 08/01/15 02:14 AM Re: Cooked bones & using hard foods to clean teeth [Re: kelsbar]
SuggieSamantha Offline
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Registered: 07/30/15
Posts: 38
Loc: Houston, TX
They shouldn't consume high levels, but they do consume some. My gliders eat pinkies and small mice and I'm in the boat that I would never give any of my animals (cat, dog, 2 turtles, 2 gliders, and 2 rabbits) cooked bones. However they regularly get raw bones, mice, or fish. Depending on the pet.
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#1392495 - 08/01/15 12:07 PM Re: Cooked bones & using hard foods to clean teeth [Re: Srlb]
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Originally Posted By: Srlb
It is true, gliders teeth ARE fixed and do not continue to grow.

They do not attempt to chew on a bone like a dog or a cat, and they do indeed get all the marrow out from inside any bone that is given to them.

Neither are a danger to gliders, pellets or chicken bones. Both can help teeth, albeit it is not a tooth brush, but it still does assist in the plaque/tartar build up.

This is one of those areas where what may be good for one may not be the choice of another, and that is fine, but it does not mean one is right and one is wrong. Just different. thumb


:agreed:
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