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#1387638 - 03/10/15 11:53 PM Are Wrodent Wheels safe for Sugar Gliders
SFLeBrun Offline
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Registered: 03/10/15
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Loc: Roanoke, VA, USA
I have been told in other groups that Wodent wheels and similarly designed exercise wheels are unsafe for sugar gliders and should be avoided at all costs. The problem is that sugar gliders can catch their tail on the center axle, doing serious damage to their tails. On further pushing, I was told that this happens about 20 times for every 100,000 wheels sold. (I have no idea if this number is accurate.) That seems like a small risk, not one to be avoided at all costs. I am not arguing that there is a risk with the Wodent Wheel (not getting into how big or small of a risk it might be).

What I want to know is whether anyone knows of any tail damaging incidents done by a Wodent Wheel that has been modified with a glider shield (http://www.transoniq.com/GliderShield.html). The glider shield is basically a shorter version of the running surface that is smooth on both sides. The shield is inserted into the wheel forming a 3 to 4 inch barrier around that axle and rotates with the wheel. The shield is too big for the sugar glider to wrap their tails around and if they ride the wheel all the way around, the shield is not moving relative to them or the wheel.

This sounds very safe to me. I would like to know what others think of this modification and whether you think it really works.


Edited by SFLeBrun (03/11/15 12:58 AM)
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#1387639 - 03/11/15 12:41 AM Re: Are Wrodent Wheels safe for Sugar Gliders [Re: SFLeBrun]
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I can't say whether or not it works, but I can say that it's not a good idea for sugar gliders, as far as giving them an optimal form of exercise or entertainment.

Gliders don't run at the bottom of the wheel like hamsters or rats. They leap from back to front. That big 3-4" wide piece in the middle makes it impossible for them to do that.

Also, this is just my own overly emotional response and I mean no offense, but 20 out of 100,000 REPORTED incidents, is something to be avoided at all costs because a) The number of unreported incidents is almost definitely exponentially higher(Most people don't run to the internet to talk about their dead pet) and b) there are plenty of wheels made appropriately that don't have 20 out of 100,000 reported incidents.


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#1387640 - 03/11/15 12:55 AM Re: Are Wrodent Wheels safe for Sugar Gliders [Re: SFLeBrun]
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I agree that the modified Wodent Wheel is far from optimal for sugar glider running/leaping. What I am trying to decide is whether glider shield will give me more time to budget replacing it with a raptor or stealth wheel.

If the shield reduces the risk to much closer to zero, then I have more time to budget for the more expensive wheel without feeling that I am putting my gliders at great risk.

My sugar gliders do use their modified Wrodent Wheel a lot. I can hear it now in the next room. So even through it is not the best, they do use it.


Edited by SFLeBrun (03/11/15 12:57 AM)
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#1387641 - 03/11/15 12:58 AM Re: Are Wrodent Wheels safe for Sugar Gliders [Re: SFLeBrun]
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I had not considered the difference between reported incidents vs total number of incidents. That would make the unmodified Wodent Wheel more dangerous than I first thought.
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#1387642 - 03/11/15 02:08 AM Re: Are Wrodent Wheels safe for Sugar Gliders [Re: SFLeBrun]
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I personally have no experience with the Wodent Wheel. I am only two weeks into owning my glider babies and I went with the H-Wheel...

Just my own 2 cents... If you clean it often enough that it can't become sticky, it will probably be okay to use until you can replace it.

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#1387646 - 03/11/15 07:43 AM Re: Are Wrodent Wheels safe for Sugar Gliders [Re: Dalton63841]
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There have been many warnings posted on GliderCENTRAL over the years as well as in different groups and other message boards about issues with the Wodent wheels even though many people continue to use them with no injury or worse to their gliders.

With that being said, we now have someone who has posted pictures and linked to the post on another message board here which you should read before making the decision on a wheel.
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#1387661 - 03/11/15 11:25 AM Re: Are Wrodent Wheels safe for Sugar Gliders [Re: SFLeBrun]
Kris_N_Zoe Offline
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Think about this: Is not spending the extra $15 or so worth the heartbreak of death or the vet bills of a tail amputation and care afterwards and still possibly losing your beloved pet? It's not worth it to me, that's why my gliders have a Raptor wheel.
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#1387667 - 03/11/15 02:44 PM Re: Are Wrodent Wheels safe for Sugar Gliders [Re: Kris_N_Zoe]
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It is not just $15 more. I already bought a Wodent Wheel before I saw any of the warnings. For me it is the full cost of a safe wheel ($50+) and the loss of money already spent on the Wodent Wheel. If I had seen the warnings first, I definitely would have made a different decision as to which wheel to get.
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#1387670 - 03/11/15 04:26 PM Re: Are Wrodent Wheels safe for Sugar Gliders [Re: SFLeBrun]
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$50.00 is less than a $200.00 vet bill for an amputation. Then if the glider goes after his site and self mutilates another amputation and another.

Mary, my friend, he glider has had three amputations since mid December. His total vet bills is over $1000.00. Her glider has been in an e-jacket or e-collar since then also.

He just got the staples out of his bum today. He will need to be in an e-collar until the scab falls off at a minimum, if not until the hair grows back on his bum.

He has went from a 200+ gram glider to about 110 grams in that time. Not to mention he is on antibiotics yet again.

To me $50.00 is a drop in the bucket compared to that kind of vet bill.
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#1387686 - 03/11/15 11:33 PM Re: Are Wrodent Wheels safe for Sugar Gliders [Re: Feather]
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Were the injuries to your friend's glider due to a Wodent Wheel and if so did it have the glider shield installed?
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#1387687 - 03/12/15 05:41 AM Re: Are Wrodent Wheels safe for Sugar Gliders [Re: SFLeBrun]
darkmornings Offline
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Xenas stealth wheel cost $40. Less than a sit down dinner for 2 and many more hours of entertainment for me. And many many more for her. There is also a nice piece of mind not worrying that she will get a body part stuck.Totally worth it, and my only regret is my color choice.

Your $20 is already gone, you do have plans to get a better wheel. Can you return your wheel? Could you purchase a new one if you got the money back? If not, then the question would be, is a wodent wheel better than no wheel at all? Im sure its not welded in your cage and can be taken out.
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#1387688 - 03/12/15 06:32 AM Re: Are Wrodent Wheels safe for Sugar Gliders [Re: darkmornings]
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Loc: Roanoke, VA, USA
Returning the Wodent Wheel is not an option. I am hoping that once I have a safe wheel to either sell it on eBay or give it to someone who can use it for an animal that is not a sugar glider, say a rat owner.

It is my understanding that it is the sugar glider's weakly prehensil tail and possibly its flying membrane that get caught in the axle so the wheel should be safe for other types of pets.

I have New England blood in me; it is hard to just throw something away if it may be used in a different way.
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#1387707 - 03/13/15 10:42 AM Re: Are Wrodent Wheels safe for Sugar Gliders [Re: SFLeBrun]
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You are a guy, do you feel mechanical. There is a way to revamp the Wodent wheel using the drive mechanism from a computers hard drive.

I have the plans on my computer, if you send me a pm with your email I could email them to you.
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#1387708 - 03/13/15 11:36 AM Re: Are Wrodent Wheels safe for Sugar Gliders [Re: SFLeBrun]
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Loc: Southeast Missouri
If you aren't mechanically inclined, I saw pics where someone laid the Wodent Wheel on it's side and used it as a really cute little ball pit.

Perhaps that will be a little easier for that "don't throw anything away" mindset? Just a thought.

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#1387712 - 03/13/15 06:01 PM Re: Are Wrodent Wheels safe for Sugar Gliders [Re: SFLeBrun]
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Anyone know if or how to get the manufacturer to stop advertisements that it is sugar glider safe? It's crazy that we even have to have this issue.

It's a fact that gliders would rather jump more than they run on wheels if they are given a choice.

SFLeBrun, I understand your feelings, I almost bought one too. I had to wait to get my glider safe wheel too. They just did without. I changed out their toys and moved their stuff around every couple of days and had tent time in the mornings before they went to bed to help wear them out. They were fine without their wheel.
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#1387721 - 03/14/15 12:02 AM Re: Are Wrodent Wheels safe for Sugar Gliders [Re: darkmornings]
SFLeBrun Offline
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Loc: Roanoke, VA, USA
Originally Posted By: darkmornings
Xenas stealth wheel cost $40. Less than a sit down dinner for 2 and many more hours of entertainment for me. And many many more for her. There is also a nice piece of mind not worrying that she will get a body part stuck.Totally worth it, and my only regret is my color choice.

Your $20 is already gone, you do have plans to get a better wheel. Can you return your wheel? Could you purchase a new one if you got the money back? If not, then the question would be, is a wodent wheel better than no wheel at all? Im sure its not welded in your cage and can be taken out.


Do you have a URL for a vendor that sells Xenas Stealth wheels? I was not able to find any doing a Google search. I have seen knock-off Stealth wheels listed on eBay though further investigations turned up that those wheels were not very good due to mechanical breakdown issues.
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#1387722 - 03/14/15 12:04 AM Re: Are Wrodent Wheels safe for Sugar Gliders [Re: SFLeBrun]
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Loc: Roanoke, VA, USA
I am currently looking into getting a Raptor Wheel. I like the design that the bearing assembly can be detached for cleaning the wheel. I have a question out to the builder about the different stand options.

If I can turn my Wodent Wheel into a safe wheel using Feather's plans and a dead disk drive, then I will be able to use the Wodent Wheel in my travel cage or as a backup.
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#1387724 - 03/14/15 12:15 AM Re: Are Wrodent Wheels safe for Sugar Gliders [Re: SFLeBrun]
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Anyone know if or how to get the manufacturer to stop advertisements that it is sugar glider safe?


Wodent wheels were originally designed for RODENTS like rats, mice and hamsters.

As a matter of fact the manufacturer recommends that Sugar Gliders use the Wodent Wheel - ONE GLIDER AT A TIME and ONLY UNDER SUPERVISION.

This certainly means it should not be left in the cage for the gliders to use all night long.

If you want a stealth wheel - they are manufactured in Florida and usually ship quickly.

Here is the link

http://www.atticworx.com/
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#1387727 - 03/14/15 07:20 AM Re: Are Wrodent Wheels safe for Sugar Gliders [Re: SFLeBrun]
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Last week on fb, I saw a picture of a glider who caught their patagium (gliding membrane) on the center bar and got wrapped up so severely, it could not get loose. The Glider did not make it

An unnecessary and tragic, preventable and painful death. Can your sell something, do without cigarettes or brown bag to work, etc., to save enough money for a safe wheel? Maybe borrow from a friend or relative?

As mentioned, gliders don't run like hamsters. They jump and need an open, safe space. I'd rather see no wheel used, than to use a dangerous wheel.

Good luck and kudos to you for being concerned!
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