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#1401762 - 05/10/16 11:33 AM breeding acronyms question
stephcarb Offline
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Registered: 01/29/16
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Loc: Texas
I have 2 females, and don't have any interest in breeding; as my 2 didn't come with lineage. But, I am interested in learning the terms. I recently discovered what COI is, but I see people selling lineaged gliders with the terms leu and het.. I haven't been able to find what that means. At first I though leu was leucistic, but not sure now. Can someone point me in a direction to learn about all of the acronyms I see regarding gliders?
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#1401768 - 05/10/16 09:29 PM Re: breeding acronyms question [Re: stephcarb]
Cathayvet Offline
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Registered: 12/30/15
Posts: 126
Loc: Louisiana
Very good idea. I don't know the terms either. What is COI? I have a white face blonde pair I am allowing to breed so I can achieve Cool Whip glider status.(see You Tube video) I get completely lost in the genetics. I would love to know where this stuff is written down.

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#1401776 - 05/11/16 10:06 AM Re: breeding acronyms question [Re: Cathayvet]
KarenE Offline
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Registered: 03/25/00
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Breeding is way out of my comfort zone and something I have never attempted to fully understand. I leave that to the experts.

Determining Genetic Compatability in Sugar Gliders is a good place to start if you are truly serious about wanting to breed sugar gliders.

There is much more you should be concerned about than simply putting two sugar gliders together and hoping you get the next new designer color.

We have long time experienced breeders in the community who have spent years researching not to mention acquiring just the right gliders to match with theirs to perfect this process.
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#1401777 - 05/11/16 10:25 AM Re: breeding acronyms question [Re: Cathayvet]
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Registered: 10/30/03
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Originally Posted By: Cathayvet
Very good idea. I don't know the terms either. What is COI? I have a white face blonde pair I am allowing to breed so I can achieve Cool Whip glider status.(see You Tube video) I get completely lost in the genetics. I would love to know where this stuff is written down.


If by "Cool Whip" glider status you are talking about having a large colony, you do NOT want to keep your joeys in with your mom and dad without all males being neutered as Dads will breed with daughters and moms will breed with sons. Inbreeding will indeed cause health issues, fatalities and deformities.

One should NOT be breeding until you are familiar with the kinship chart before you are even aware of what the COI's are of your pairing. As the COI's can actually be relatively low and the gliders can still be too closely related to breed.

Are you ready to find a half eaten joey at the bottom of your cage or inside the pouch? Its not a pretty sight, but one that breeders have to be aware of the chance of finding.

Another good place to learn about breeding is here. Glider Nursery has a very detailed and informative area for breeding. She also has a facebook page for people to learn at that are interested. Its called Glider Breeding 101.

Folks honestly need to know EVERYTHING about breeding before doing so. It is nothing at all like breeding dogs/cats or even your hamsters.
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#1401778 - 05/11/16 10:30 AM Re: breeding acronyms question [Re: Srlb]
KarenE Offline
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Thank you so much for your post, Peggy.
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#1401779 - 05/11/16 11:43 AM Re: breeding acronyms question [Re: KarenE]
stephcarb Offline
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Registered: 01/29/16
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Loc: Texas
I agree, Karen, breeding is way out of my comfort zone too... The reading I have done has convinced me not to. But it is still an interesting subject, and I want to learn. I figure that knowledge will make me better at selecting my sugar glider pets down the road.
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#1401780 - 05/11/16 11:59 AM Re: breeding acronyms question [Re: Srlb]
stephcarb Offline
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I think this is what I was looking for.. Time to start reading and educating myself... Thanks Peggy
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#1401788 - 05/11/16 08:50 PM Re: breeding acronyms question [Re: stephcarb]
Cathayvet Offline
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OMG. LOL. I must put a warning before I post. I joke a lot. I love that video, and I only plan to have them breed once. I have 4 and 3/4 gliders. My max is 6, as told to me by my husband, and I only have 1 intact male. As for partially eaten baby gliders, I have been a vet for nearly 20 years and have seen the grossest of the gross. Partial eaten baby animals of many species. But why should I get overly concerned about genetics if I am planning 1 or 2 breedings of healthy animals, just to keep the offspring for myself? That is breeding the same pair..not inbreeding. However, I love to learn all I can.


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#1401791 - 05/12/16 11:11 AM Re: breeding acronyms question [Re: stephcarb]
CandyOtte Offline
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Registered: 09/03/08
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Loc: Lutz Florida
If you do not have lineage on both parents you cannot assume they are not closely related. breeders exchange gliders all over the country to make sure their gliders are unrelated. It is possible to get first cousins from breeders in different states if you do not carefully compare their lineage.

In addition a glider with unknown lineage may already be the product of inbreeding with unknown health consequences


If I recall correctly the Cool Whip video is Kazko's colony of 8 unrelated female gliders not a breeding colony.


Edited by CandyOtte (05/12/16 11:17 AM)
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#1401802 - 05/12/16 05:55 PM Re: breeding acronyms question [Re: stephcarb]
Cathayvet Offline
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Registered: 12/30/15
Posts: 126
Loc: Louisiana
The genetics won't be leaving this house. What are breeders breeding for..color only? My pair are wonderfully friendly and are a tight couple. I wouldn't think on breeding my other two females, no matter what they look like. They are too " squirrelly " , bitey. I was not going to pay the extra cost for breeding linage if I was only going to keep the joeys for my self. I wonder if some of the aggressive behavior towards mates and joeys is due to breeding for color only. Not trying to start a fight just asking questions. I like to learn as much as I can. My only experience is with dogs and cats.

PS thanks for the links. Great reading.


Edited by Cathayvet (05/12/16 05:57 PM)

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#1403384 - 08/07/16 11:29 AM Re: breeding acronyms question [Re: Cathayvet]
GliderNursery Offline
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Registered: 09/14/07
Posts: 20049
Loc: North Central Ohio
Originally Posted By: Cathayvet
But why should I get overly concerned about genetics if I am planning 1 or 2 breedings of healthy animals, just to keep the offspring for myself?


Simply put, for the health of the joeys!

Why breed if you don't know that its a good pairing? Not knowing if they are related or not...not knowing the health background and whether or not you are continuing a genetic defect? It shouldn't matter if you are breeding one or one hundred times, whether you are keeping them for yourself, giving away or selling them. What should matter is the health of the joeys ~ it's simply not fair to put them into a potentially unhealthy life for our own benefit.
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#1403385 - 08/07/16 11:30 AM Re: breeding acronyms question [Re: stephcarb]
GliderNursery Offline
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Registered: 09/14/07
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Loc: North Central Ohio
Sorry, I know this was an old post, but I had to comment on it. wink I strongly recommend understanding breeding and the importance of lineage in doing so, even for "pet" gliders. smile
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#1403394 - 08/07/16 05:47 PM Re: breeding acronyms question [Re: Cathayvet]
Hutch Offline
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Registered: 11/10/15
Posts: 876
Loc: Heinsberg, Germany
Originally Posted By: Cathayvet
The genetics won't be leaving this house. What are breeders breeding for..color only? My pair are wonderfully friendly and are a tight couple... Not trying to start a fight just asking questions. I like to learn as much as I can. My only experience is with dogs and cats.


I too have quite a bit of humor, but I will leave alone any comments of banjos or inbreeding despite the fact you're from LA wink I get what you're asking, really, but I also get what others are saying from 'breeder trading.' If you have no idea of your furballs' history... might be reason for pause. If you know they are at least a generation apart... for home use, they (hopefully) shouldn't be unhealthy (no comment to further breeding, though). Qualifier: This is purely off my knowledge of reptiles (more experience), not so much marsupials. Take if for however much it may be worth.
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