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#1407015 - 02/01/17 06:35 PM Tips for glider to gain weight
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The saga of my poor little Ollie continues. (Bear with me, this is a little long).

After his brother Suge passed away on Christmas, he became depressed and wasn't eating much. As a result he lost some weight. He dropped from about 89 grams to 80 grams. I took him into the vets to make sure he wasn't sick as well, but she ran some blood and did a fecal test and everything checked out OK. Slowly he started coming around, and began to eat the things I was hand feeding him.

I decided to get him new buddies, and brought Kirby and Dee Dee home on January 15th. These guys were on the HPW diet and Ollie on BML. I decided to switch Ollie to HPW in hopes it would reinvigorate his eating, which it did. He would clean his bowl of HPW every night and started to eat more of his fruits and veggies. His weight slowly climbed up to 86 grams.

After a week of swapping pouches and pushing the cages side by side, I introduced Ollie to Kirby and DeeDee and it was love at first sight. Ollie was SO excited to meet his new friends, it actually made me cry.

I had been weighing Ollie every night, but didn't the first two nights he was with his new pals. By the 3rd night I did the first tent time with all three of them and weighed Ollie finding that his weight had dropped to 74 grams, the lightest he has every been! That's when I noticed Ollie's mouth.

Ollie has had a growth growing near his mouth for about 3 years now. The vet ran tests on it, when I first noticed it and confirmed that it was not cancerous, just a fibrous growth. Because of the location to his jaw she couldn't remove it, however it has never bothered him. He still chews on that side of his face, and when pressed on he doesn't flinch. It has slowly grown over the years, but still not unmanageable. This night when I saw his face, he had a large bloody scab over where the growth is.

I, of course, took him to the vets right away. She wasn't sure what might've happened, but like me, she thinks that maybe one of the new gliders was grooming him and cracked it open. And when she weighed him he was only 71 grams. She assumes he wasn't eating because his mouth was bothering him. The night I noticed his mouth he wouldn't even take mealworms from me, so she was probably right. She gave me antibiotics and metacam, which he's supposed to be on for a few more days.

Ollie slowly started to put weight back on making it up to 75 grams, but last night when I weighed him he went back to 71. He has been eating mealworms and yogurt drops when I offer them to him, and I've noticed him eating the HPW (I've also made sure to push it under his nose when we're hanging out). He has also been drinking what seems like a lot of water.

I made glider crack to help him gain weight but he won't touch it. He also won't touch plain avocado. My vet also gave me a high protein powder used to help rehabilitate omnivores, but he won't touch that either.

Does anyone have any other advice to help my Ollie gain weight again?

I should also mention that I've watched him closely with Kirby and DeeDee and they get along great. I haven't seen or heard any spats. They mainly groom each other and roll around in the wheel together. I've thought about separating Ollie until he gains weight, but I would feel awful taking him away from his new buddies.


Edited by Nejwig (02/01/17 08:26 PM)
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#1407016 - 02/01/17 07:27 PM Re: Tips for glider to gain weight [Re: Nejwig]
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Do you have multiple feeding station in with them now? If not put in more feeding stations, I would suggest 3 or 4.

Will he eat yogurt? If so feed him the high fat with NO artificial sweeteners.

At this point anything he will eat, cooked chicken or turkey, no seasonings, scrambled egg,

Can you post a picture of his growth?
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#1407018 - 02/01/17 08:00 PM Re: Tips for glider to gain weight [Re: Nejwig]
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He may not be eating the stuff the vet gave you or the glider crack because it is high protein and he knows that is going to over work his kidneys.

He is already in poor health, so his organs are probably already taken a toll on him. Have you had xrays done on his jaw?

I think I would keep him separated from the others if it were me. If they sense that something is 'off' with him they will keep him from eating.
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#1407020 - 02/01/17 08:40 PM Re: Tips for glider to gain weight [Re: Feather]
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There are currently 4 feeding stations in the cage - two hanging cups for salad, one cup of HPW and one plate on the ground with both HPW and salad on it. And I make sure they're all in easy to access spots for him.

Ollie has been eating yogurt drops, but I'll pick up some regular yogurt in the AM and give it a shot.

I weighed him tonight and he's back up to 74 grams. He also had a bit of energy and ran around with me for about 30 minutes before the other two woke up. He threw back some mealworms and a couple of yogurt drops so far. I have some left over jars of chicken baby food from the BML that I will try giving him when he wakes up again.

Regarding the x-ray of his jaw we did one a couple of years ago, which showed everything OK internally, but we haven't done one recently.

I'll try to grab a picture of him tonight, but if it's too dark I'll take one tomorrow when I give him his medicine.
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#1407021 - 02/01/17 09:21 PM Re: Tips for glider to gain weight [Re: Nejwig]
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I would lay off the yogurt drops, they are empty calories and he needs good calories.

Peggy is right you should separate him, you can allow him to have supervised play time, just make sure they don't chew on his wound.
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#1407027 - 02/01/17 10:58 PM Re: Tips for glider to gain weight [Re: Feather]
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Thank you for the helpful advice, ladies.

I just moved Ollie back into his old cage after tent time. I'm glad I hadn't gotten rid of it yet.

I'll stop with the drops and get some yogurt tomorrow along with eggs. I'll try cooking up a chicken breast tomorrow, as well. Give him all the options. And it's regular yogurt, correct? Not Greek?

Ollie entertained the chicken baby food for a few seconds, sniffing it carefully, then decided he didn't want it. He did eat some HPW and a couple of peas I handed him, though.

I gave him his medicine and now he's sulking in the pouch, which has been the usual routine this last week. I'll see how he does food-wise in the AM.
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#1407051 - 02/03/17 09:54 AM Re: Tips for glider to gain weight [Re: Nejwig]
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A quick update on Ollie.

Last night when he woke up I weighed him, and his weight dipped down from 74 to 72g.

Here are a couple of photos of him last night on the scale. These were taken right as he woke up:
https://drive.google.com/open?id=0ByqRbLXqAZeoWlM5dDhXOEZQN00
https://drive.google.com/open?id=0ByqRbLXqAZeobHVVVGFRMnFRUlk

He ate a little bit of yogurt for me. He refused the chicken and egg, though. He also ate a four peas from my hand, a little bit of apple sauce and some HPW. When I gave him mealworms, I also dipped half of them in yogurt to get him to ingest a little more of that.

This morning when I took out his dishes, it didn't look like he ate a whole lot of his food. I could see that he ate some HPW but didn't finish it, and picked at his salad a tiny bit.

I will see where he's at when I weigh him tonight.

It does look like his wound is getting better, though. About half of it looks to be healed. So, at least that's something? Sigh.worried
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#1407053 - 02/03/17 10:24 AM Re: Tips for glider to gain weight [Re: Nejwig]
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Poor Ollie has been through so much and now he is alone through no fault of his or yours. It just has to be for his own good.

From the pictures he is indeed thinner than you would like but not surprising since he is not eating all that much.

There could be several reasons, however, we can't be sure it isn't his mouth that is actually hurting him since you said you think that place cracked open. Have you had him back to the vet since that happened? If not, would be a good idea to see if anything can now be done to give him some relief.
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#1407065 - 02/03/17 05:22 PM Re: Tips for glider to gain weight [Re: KarenE]
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I know. My little Ollie is breaking my heart right now. frown
I have kept their cages pushed together so they can at least see each other, and they've had some tent time together. Tomorrow I'm home all day, so I'll probably let them all sleep in my shirt so he'll get in some cuddles, as well.

It has been 9 days since he's been to the vets. He's supposed to be on his meds for 10 days, so he has one full day left, then we'll re-assess from there. I was planning on emailing my vet tonight with a photo of his face to show her the progress (hopefully I can snap a decent one) and to keep her updated about his weight. The last time I spoke with her was Saturday.

I have a feeling a follow-up appointment will ensue. She did say if his weight doesn't improve I'll have to bring him back in to figure out the next steps. She gave me some extra syringes for trying to feed him food, but I haven't done that yet. I tried to feed him the diet she sent home with me in a regular dish, but Ollie didn't want to eat it. I can't really bear the thought of trying to force feed him anything right now.

I did read in an old thread that antibiotics can affect appetites. Maybe that might have something to do with this, as well?

I think the original issue was definitely his mouth bothering him, because he wouldn't even take mealworms from me. That's when I knew there was DEFINITELY something wrong. Since he's been on the meds he's gone back to snacking on his usual favorites just fine.
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#1407072 - 02/03/17 06:18 PM Re: Tips for glider to gain weight [Re: Nejwig]
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You can try giving him his HPW through a syringe.
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#1407074 - 02/03/17 07:55 PM Re: Tips for glider to gain weight [Re: Nejwig]
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I just weighed him and he's up to 76 grams. So maybe he ate more than I thought, last night? I imagine the yogurt helped, as well (thanks for that tip!)

When I give him his medicine, I sometimes take a little HPW up in the syringe with it. Last night I did that with yogurt.

As long as he keeps eating HPW on his own I probably won't force feed him anything more than I've been giving him with his meds. I feel awful enough giving him his meds!

We'll see how he fares tonight. One day at a time!
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#1407084 - 02/04/17 08:46 AM Re: Tips for glider to gain weight [Re: Nejwig]
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He looks dehydrated in this photo. I would take him back to the vet for another round of sub-Q.

I think I would also keep him by himself until he got stronger. If he gets too weak the others may choose to do away with him. I'm not trying to scare you, but trying to prepare you for how these animals interact with each other.
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#1407089 - 02/04/17 11:35 AM Re: Tips for glider to gain weight [Re: Srlb]
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Ok thanks, Peggy. I will.

Here is a photo of him from last night: https://drive.google.com/open?id=0ByqRbLXqAZeoZUdtdTZfUEJrcWs

I did a tent test on him last night, concerned about him being dehydrated, and his skin sprung back OK.

But either way, I made an appointment with my vet for Tuesday AM (the next time my vet is in). I prefer to wait and see her, but if you think there's cause for alarm and I should bring him in sooner, I'll try to see one of the other vets. I did email with her last night, and based on what I sent her, she thinks he'll be fine to wait until Tuesday?
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#1407090 - 02/04/17 05:23 PM Re: Tips for glider to gain weight [Re: Nejwig]
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Follow the advice of your vet. I will always say that. Especially when they have already seen the animal. grin
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#1407180 - 02/07/17 02:10 PM Re: Tips for glider to gain weight [Re: Srlb]
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Took Ollie to the vets today and he weighed in at 82.5 grams. The vet said he looked WAY better than when she saw him a couple of weeks ago.

His last day of meds was Sunday, and she said that he's OK to stay off of them. She also didn't think he needed any fluids, as he doesn't appear dehydrated anymore.

His face isn't 100% healed, but she said it's looking good and almost there.

I'm going to continue to weigh him nightly and keep a close eye on him, but some small steps in the right direction! smile


Edited by Nejwig (02/07/17 06:48 PM)
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#1407181 - 02/07/17 02:53 PM Re: Tips for glider to gain weight [Re: Nejwig]
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Very good report :yes:
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#1407182 - 02/07/17 03:13 PM Re: Tips for glider to gain weight [Re: Nejwig]
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That is so awesome! Thank you for keeping us posted! :thumb2:
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#1407185 - 02/07/17 04:19 PM Re: Tips for glider to gain weight [Re: Nejwig]
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#1407472 - 02/24/17 09:02 AM Re: Tips for glider to gain weight [Re: Nejwig]
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How's Ollie doing? Is his sore healed?

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