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#14902 - 11/18/03 07:21 AM Metaban Failed on Bo
Charlie H Offline
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Registered: 11/13/03
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Loc: Wallis Texas
We got in a little glider, Monkey, that had mutilated around
the base of his tail to the point you could see the ligaments.
The vet put him on Metaban as a pain reliever. The little
rascal managed to pull his e collar off the night after he
started taking the Metaban. We expected the worse, but to
our surprise, he had not mutilated without the e collar. So
we figured it was because he was taking the Metaban. He has
gone for two weeks without an e collar and has not once
mutilated. He gets the Metaban twice a day. So, we thought
if this stuff is working so well for him maybe it will keep
Bo from mutilating. Bo has been in an e collar for over two
years and will mutilate every time it is taken off. The vet
has tried everything on him without being able to stop him
from mutilating. Anyway, we gave Bo two doses of Metaban at
12 hour intervals and then removed his e collar.
DIDN'T WORK FOR HIM! A few hours after removing the e collar
he started to chew at the base of his tail. We were hoping
this would work for him as it had for Monkey. It is strange
how a medication will work on one and not the other.
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#14903 - 11/18/03 08:42 AM Re: Metaban Failed on Bo [Re: ]
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Well, darn. I was hoping for the best on this one! Makes you wonder huh? Charlie, do you think maybe it is such habit for Bo that he continues to mutilate, or is it the pain? Probably a silly question, but it does make you wonder. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/confused.gif" alt="" />

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#14904 - 11/18/03 09:07 AM Re: Metaban Failed on Bo [Re: ]
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HI,
Great it worked for one of your gliders! Could it be that he needed it for longer than 2 days? Just wondering. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/nixweiss.gif" alt="" />
Angie

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#14905 - 11/18/03 09:11 AM Re: Metaban Failed on Bo [Re: ]
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It is odd how it will work for one but not the other. But then again one med. will work for my mom but does nothing for me. (allergies) I'll keep my fingers crossed that maybe one day he will be collar free.! <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/heartpump.gif" alt="" />

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#14906 - 11/18/03 09:27 AM Re: Metaban Failed on Bo [Re: ]
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Registered: 05/26/03
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Awww, I'm sorry it didn't work for Bo. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/upset.gif" alt="" /> Poor little guy. While reading your post, I had the same questions come to mind as Karin and AngieH. Is it caused by habit or pain? and maybe if he stayed on the medicine longer it would work? <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/nixweiss.gif" alt="" /> I'll be praying that you'll find help for Bo's problem. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/heartpump.gif" alt="" />
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#14907 - 11/18/03 03:04 PM Re: Metaban Failed on Bo [Re: ]
Charlie H Offline
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Registered: 11/13/03
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Loc: Wallis Texas
Bo got the same amount as Monkey when he pulled his collar
off. We have discussed his case in depth with our vet as
well as Bourbon. Of course all we can do is speculate that
it could be physological, intenal scar tissue, etc. We have
given him several different types of medications and all to
no avail. Bo has been neutered, has a female cage mate, gets
the BML diet plan, pvc coated wire cage, plenty of toys
that he can play with, large wheel he can access with the
e collar, chin house and special sleeping pouch. For a while
he thought the vets office was his second home. We have
given him so much medication that now when I call his name
he starts crabbing at me. Course I am the bad guy who always
has to get him out and hold him while Mary gives him the
meds. He will take treats from me but would much rather they
come from Mary. We were real disappointed that the Metaban
did not work for him. Thought it would be better to live
a life on medication than with the e collar. Maybe someday
we will find a way.
Charlie H
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#14908 - 11/18/03 03:44 PM Re: Metaban Failed on Bo [Re: ]
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Charlie, I'm sure this was explored, but what about a different doseage? Is that not worth a try? A higher doseage? Or a different pain med, such as the one that was brought up that is put on the ears?
Just a thought! Maybe someday, with all your persistence, you will discover the "cure" for self mutilating, I know it would be the largest breakthru in glider medicine!
Chey <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wave.gif" alt="" />

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#14909 - 11/18/03 03:50 PM Re: Metaban Failed on Bo [Re: ]
Charlie H Offline
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Registered: 11/13/03
Posts: 1659
Loc: Wallis Texas
Chey, don't tell the vet but we did up the doseage by 50%
for Bo. Didn't work. We have sent Dr. Fronfield the post
about the other pain med. Will ask him what his thoughts
are on our next visit, which is next Friday.
Charlie H
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#14910 - 11/18/03 10:31 PM Re: Metaban Failed on Bo [Re: ]
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Charlie, your secret is safe with me! That's too bad. But, we don't know what stimulates the sm'ing either. If it's instinct for them to do surgery on themselves when something is wrong, then, as long as that problem is there, they will continue to try to correct it, to the point of death. You would hope that if it IS pain a pain med would work, however if it's not pain and not known what is causing it, then, it's almost impossible to find the cause. Has anyone ever done a ct scan on a glider to see healthy or nonhealthy specimens? That just came to mind, I know it would be super expensive, but in this instance and I'm sure a lot more, it could prove to be invaluable, as it could show what is going on internally, in both, possibly showing what's causing the sm'ing???????
Thoughts on this? Or even doing an MRI????
Chey <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wave.gif" alt="" />

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#14911 - 11/19/03 12:10 PM Re: Metaban Failed on Bo [Re: ]
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Registered: 04/01/99
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Loc: Bee-Bopping round SnakePit USA
Chey, please understand where BO is concerned, I have little hope that meds will work on him, as he has been a long time mutilator who has done extensive damage several times, the hopes that someday he comes out of that collar for good is always on our minds, I love Mary and Charlie very much, and I have been right there with them through their fears and hopes. but the fact remains that extensive scar tissue very well may be the ultimate cause at this time, they have cleared any and all medical problems that have been found, and they have tried everything possible for him for as much as we know now. all we can hope for is that some day, we can get all sm's, to stop. or better yet for it to never happen at all.

I just hope that Mary and Charlie don't get disappointed or blow of the meds for yet another glider who also may be a canadate for it without the extensive damage to the cloacal area. with the SM's, any and al possibilities, are worth a shot.
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#14912 - 11/19/03 03:02 PM Re: Metaban Failed on Bo [Re: ]
Charlie H Offline
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Loc: Wallis Texas
Not to worry Bourbon. We don't give up that easy.
Charlie H
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