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#16417 - 01/09/04 12:45 PM tame versus bonded?

is there a difference? from what it sounds, there is a difference. i am 100% sure that my babies are tame. they were crabbers when i first got them, but haven't heard a peer in months. i get pick them up out of their pouch. they climb on me and only do an occasional nip (not bite). i am not sure they are bonded though. maybe i'm looking to hard and missing the signs. it just seems like they are friendly and love coming out. maybe they wouldn't care who played with them. don't get me wrong, i love that they are friendly and tame, but i want them to <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/heartpump.gif" alt="" /> me really bad! so what things indicate bondedness...besides running to you when scared, which i don't know if they have or not? also, am i having a hard time because i got 2 babies at once? and lastly, is there some special trick to increasing bondong with 2 babies. it seems the posts i have read of really bonded babies were lone gliders. am i going to miss out. thanks for reading. sorry so long.

#16418 - 01/09/04 12:58 PM Re: tame versus bonded? [Re: ]

Wow, that is a really interesting question. I also think there is a difference.

I consider gliders to be tame (I am using the two rescues, when I first took them in, as examples) when they are comfortable around humans, rarely bite, accept treats, and occasionally allow me to pet them, and have generally been desensitized to humans.

However, in my bonded gliders, I see a real desire to be with me. They choose to be handled, and it is sometimes impossible to keep them off of me. They do indeed come to me if they are startled, but they also come for petting, snuggling, and will choose to sleep inside my shirt or bra over another sleeping place.

#16419 - 01/09/04 01:12 PM Re: tame versus bonded? [Re: ]

that would be "i haven't heard a peep", not "peer" whoops! <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/blush.gif" alt="" />

#16420 - 01/09/04 01:27 PM Re: tame versus bonded? [Re: ]

Tame is Nimue and Goliath, who allow me to be around them and will use me to play on and around, but could actually care less if I am in the room or not, unless I have

bonded is LaPrincessa Alli holding her arms out to me and arguing with me when I put her back in her cage cause she wants in my shirt more than her pouch, follows me across the cage to stay near me and meets me at the door every morning for playtime. Rocky is bonded, but not like Alli is. Pouch or bra, he doesn't really care as long as he gets some sleep.

#16421 - 01/09/04 02:25 PM Re: tame versus bonded? [Re: ]

Tame is when they quit crabbing and taking blood samlpes.

bonded is when they come to you rather than when you have to go after them!!

#16422 - 01/09/04 02:49 PM Re: tame versus bonded? [Re: ]

ok, my guy is tame but wont let me hold him and pet him. i can pet him when he's gobbling away on a treat but no curling up in my hands and chilling yet, so there seems to be a diff between tame and bonded now! he he...

#16423 - 01/09/04 03:30 PM Re: tame versus bonded? [Re: ]
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Randy, too funny! I love your definitions! <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/roflmao.gif" alt="" />
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#16424 - 01/10/04 02:00 PM Re: tame versus bonded? [Re: ]

My girl Zoe is tame, she will let me pet her when she is eating, she will eat the food I give to her, but she wont take it from my hand or let me reach in and pet her at anytime. She has never bit me and doesn't crab much, but she doesn't ever try to come out and play.

Zano, the baby boy (her baby) is "bonded" with me. When he even hears the door open he is sitting at the front of the cage begging me to pick him up. He doesn't eat on his own yet but I know he would welcome licky treats.

I guess thats my example of the difference.

#16425 - 01/10/04 02:40 PM Re: tame versus bonded? [Re: ]

I read in a glider book, that a tame glider will eat sitting in your hand.
They didn't have the definition for bonded, but I think we've covered that too!
Keep in mind tho, that bonding is an always ongoing process, you are always working on that relationship. Like a marriage or a friendship.

#16426 - 01/10/04 03:55 PM Re: tame versus bonded? [Re: ]

well i can pick them up but they don't like to stay put. as soon as i open the cage door, they run over and jump on me. when we play they run to me when i get up to leave. they take treats, let me pet them and sometimes groom me. but if my boyfriend did the same things, they would probably act the same. they have only played with him like 2-3 times. so maybe they are bonded, but i just figured it would me more "me" specific and not just happy go lucky. so is there anything i can do to bond more intensley with 2 babies that were bought together? thanks.


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