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#16680 - 01/18/04 05:42 PM gliders are illegal in Dallas Tx!!!!
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i just had a real interesting conversation with a city of dallas animal control officer. i was in 7-11 gettin Dr Peppers & a female officer was gettin something & i asked her if she had ever had a call on one of these (as i pulled Nancy outta my jacket for illustration), to which she replied: "yes cuz sugar gliders are illegal in Dallas". i said "wow, really?" (as i nonchalantly slid Nancy back into my jacket) "you don't say?" to which she replied "yes, illegal to own em in dallas, but it's legal to sell, but they cant live here in the city, legally" so all you ppl who are such hardcore law-biding citizens here in dallas, guess what? <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tantrum.gif" alt="" /> youre criminals! this is insane! how come nobody told me this?!!?!? <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/nixweiss.gif" alt="" />

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#16681 - 01/18/04 05:59 PM Re: gliders are illegal in Dallas Tx!!!! [Re: ]
BMXgirl Offline
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That is VERY interesting.... I have NEVER ever heard this before. Matter of fact, I was always told they were legal? How bizarre! <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/confused.gif" alt="" />

<-- Going to go make some phone calls.... (I hope this lady just didnt know what she was talking about! <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" /> )

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#16682 - 01/18/04 06:21 PM Re: gliders are illegal in Dallas Tx!!!! [Re: ]
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I was gonna say that I thought we had a few glider lovers in and around the D/FW area. I guess we just didn't do much checking before. Hopefully, BMX is right, and the lady just didn't know what she was talking about.

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#16683 - 01/18/04 06:22 PM Re: gliders are illegal in Dallas Tx!!!! [Re: ]
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well she had a badge, a uniform & an attitude that said "city of dallas animal control officer" & a big white van w/ lights & leters & stuff on it. and she knew what Nancy was w/out my saying ANYTHING other "know what this is?" D'OH!!!!! <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/nixweiss.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/nixweiss.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/nixweiss.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/nixweiss.gif" alt="" />

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#16684 - 01/18/04 06:34 PM Re: gliders are illegal in Dallas Tx!!!! [Re: ]
Lucy Offline
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Registered: 02/14/01
Posts: 7354
Loc: Lexington, KY
According to the Ferret Lover's Club of Texas website, this information is true for FERRETS in Dallas. There's no way to know without seeing the ordinance itself. I'm checking for it, and if needed, I'll contact a couple of old friends in Dallas city government to check for me (nothing like needing a favor to stay in touch with old friends!).

Update: Found it! Here are prohibited animals in the City of Dallas (not necessarily Dallas County)
http://www.amlegal.com/nxt/gateway.dll?f=templates&fn=default.htm&vid=alp:dallas_tx

(15) PROHIBITED ANIMAL:
(A) means an animal, other than a common domestic species and regardless of state or duration of captivity, that poses a potential physical or disease threat to the public or that is protected by international, federal, or state regulations, including but not limited to the following:

(i) Class Reptilia: Family Helodermatidea (venomous lizards); Family Viperidae (rattlesnakes, copperheads, cottonmouths, other pit vipers and true vipers); Family Elapidae (coral snakes, cobras, mambas, and other elapids); the following listed species of Family Colubridae - Dispholidus typus (Boomslang), Hyrodynastes gigas (water cobra), Boiga (mangrove snake), and Thelotornis (African twig snake) only; Order Phidia, Family Boidae (racers, boas, water snakes, and pythons); and Order Crocodilia (crocodiles, alligators, caimans, and gavials);

(ii) Class Aves: Order Falconiforms (such as hawks, eagles, and vultures); Subdivision Ratitae (such as ostriches, rheas, cassowaries, and emus); and Order Strigiforms (such as owls);

(iii) Class Mammalia: Order Carnivora, Family Felidae (such as ocelots, margays, tigers, jaguars, leopards, and cougars), except commonly accepted domesticated cats; Family Canidae (such as wolves, wolf-dog hybrids, dingos, coyotes, and jackals), except domesticated dogs; Family Mustelidae (such as weasels, skunks, ferrets, martins, mink, and badgers); Family Procyonidae (raccoon); Family Ursidae (such as bears); Order Marsupialia (such as kangaroos and common opossums); Order Edentata (such as sloths, anteaters, and armadillos); Order Proboscidea (elephants); Order Primata (such as monkeys, chimpanzees, and gorillas); Order Rodentia (such as porcupines); and Order Ungulata (such as antelope, deer, bison, and camels);

(iv) Animals not listed: The director may declare any species of animal not listed in this subsection as "prohibited" if the confinement of the animal within the city can be shown to constitute a threat to public health and safety; and

(B) does not mean:

(i) a bird kept in a cage or aviary that is not regulated by international, federal, or state law; or

(ii) a gerbil, hamster, guinea pig, or laboratory mouse or rat.

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Since gliders are not specifically excluded, and since they are part of the Order Marsupialia, they would be, by definition of this ordinance, illegal to own in the city of Dallas.


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#16685 - 01/18/04 06:49 PM Re: gliders are illegal in Dallas Tx!!!! [Re: ]
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Registered: 10/13/00
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Loc: USA
Thanks so much Lucy! <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/heartpump.gif" alt="" />

Oh my! This is crazy!!! Every vet Ive talked to said they were legal! Oh man... I so hope thats not true. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/shakehead.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/worried2.gif" alt="" />

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#16686 - 01/18/04 06:52 PM Re: gliders are illegal in Dallas Tx!!!! [Re: ]
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Whew... I posted before I got the last post...
Thanks Lucy. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />

Oh my oh my! What does this mean what does this mean... (Omg! Ive always been told they were legal by vets! <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/mad.gif" alt="" /> )

<-- runs around room in circles and falls in a heap on the floor.

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#16687 - 01/18/04 06:52 PM Re: gliders are illegal in Dallas Tx!!!! [Re: ]
Anonymous
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furthermore; it's ALL exotics that are illegal in the city limits of dallas! this is crazy!! i wonder how old the ordinance is!?!!?
fortunately, as i discovered in 7-11, the law is only enforced when a complaint is lodged against the offending exotic owner. in other words; dont ask dont tell! <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/shocked.gif" alt="" />

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#16688 - 01/18/04 06:53 PM Re: gliders are illegal in Dallas Tx!!!! [Re: ]
BMXgirl Offline
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Me too? (wonder how old it it?)

Gasp! We gotta change that!!! <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/read.gif" alt="" />

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#16689 - 01/18/04 07:00 PM Re: gliders are illegal in Dallas Tx!!!! [Re: ]
Anonymous
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yeah thats what i was thinkin too! <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/dance.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/multi.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tantrum.gif" alt="" />
man; it was kinda scary! as soon as she said that, i could see the gears turning in her head: "do i REALLY wanna take this crazy looking 'person's' glider from them?" or try to as the case may be. luckily for all, wisdom prevailed & she decided to leave Nancy in my jacket, but had it been a male officer who got teased in school, havin a bad day....... it could have easily gotten real ugly!!! be careful people. especially till we get this changed! <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tantrum.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tantrum.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tantrum.gif" alt="" />


Edited by bobbypyn (01/18/04 07:06 PM)

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#16690 - 01/18/04 08:15 PM Re: gliders are illegal in Dallas Tx!!!! [Re: ]
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[:"CC6699"]Bobbypyn, I guess this just teaches you that you can't be whipping your friends out like that in public and showin them to people! <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/roflmao.gif" alt="" /> [/]

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#16691 - 01/18/04 08:42 PM Re: gliders are illegal in Dallas Tx!!!! [Re: ]
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not anymore i wont! guess i'll hafta figure out something else to whip out in public that wont get me in trouble with animal control! <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/nixweiss.gif" alt="" />

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#16692 - 01/18/04 08:48 PM Re: gliders are illegal in Dallas Tx!!!! [Re: ]
Anonymous
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LOL! Seriously, though, how scary! I don't know what I would do if a police officer told me my glider was illegal, but I don't think I would play it cool like you. Panic time! Nice job keeping a level head in the situation.

That's so good that she didn't take away your glider, but gosh! Wrong person ever to show her to! LOL

Anyway, good luck to those in Dallas... that sucks. Good thing, as evidenced in 7-11, they don't really enforce it.

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#16693 - 01/18/04 09:10 PM Re: gliders are illegal in Dallas Tx!!!! [Re: ]
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oh believe me, i was sweatin it when their van followed me for a few miles down the major street by my house!!! like i said, she was wanting to take Nancy from me but she just wasn't willing to go through what she correctly suspected would have been an unpleasant experience for all involved had she followed through on her ill-conceived idea of confiscating my baby. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tantrum.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/dance.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/multi.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tantrum.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/dance.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/multi.gif" alt="" />

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#16694 - 01/18/04 09:16 PM Re: gliders are illegal in Dallas Tx!!!! [Re: ]
Srlb Offline
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Registered: 10/30/03
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That is EXACTLY what happened to me... I was told that yes they are legal here and than AFTER I got them I decided to call the local city hall and find out if I needed a permit cause I found out they were illegal in the county of nueces (one city over) and I was told they were illegal here as well <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tantrum.gif" alt="" /> and got a copy of the EXACT same ordinace that Lucy just shared! <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/ohwell.gif" alt="" /> Leave it to Texas! <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/shakehead.gif" alt="" /> I was wondering, seeing as how they are becoming SO popular here in the states, how could we than make them labeled under domestic animal instead of exotic? <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/nixweiss.gif" alt="" /> There Has to be a way!any <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/thinkerg.gif" alt="" /> out there?
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#16695 - 01/18/04 09:28 PM Re: gliders are illegal in Dallas Tx!!!! [Re: ]
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oh man, i really hate the dallas city council; ive had my dealings w/ the current admn already, much to my distaste. we may want to wait for the next <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/thinkerg.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/thumb.gif" alt="" /> election.....

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#16696 - 01/20/04 02:56 PM Re: gliders are illegal in Dallas Tx!!!! [Re: ]
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<img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wave.gif" alt="" />
I have been on the phone calling various cities concerning laws and regulations about sugar gliders, so far:

City of Dallas-214-670-8246
I was told sugar glider are legal and you don't need a permit to own one

City of Bedford-817-952-2191
I was told sugar gliders are legal and you don't need a permint to own one

City of Duncanville-972-780-5025
I was told sugar gliders are allowed with a permit only

City of Desoto-972-230-9600
I was told sugar gliders are legal to own

City of Benbrook-(817) 713-7989
Was told sugar gliders are legal, no permit needed

city of Irving-(972) 721-2356
Was told sugar gliders are legal, no permit needed

I still have lots to go, but its a start. I will be putting the list on my website when it's completed.

Angie

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#16697 - 01/20/04 03:06 PM Re: gliders are illegal in Dallas Tx!!!! [Re: ]
BMXgirl Offline
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Registered: 10/13/00
Posts: 7078
Loc: USA
Wow!!! Angie! Thank you so much for doing that to!
I had also called around and was told the very same thing! <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif" alt="" />

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#16698 - 01/20/04 04:17 PM Re: gliders are illegal in Dallas Tx!!!! [Re: ]
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</font><blockquote><font class="small">Quote:</font><hr />
.....City of Dallas-214-670-8246
I was told sugar glider are legal and you don't need a permit to own one.....

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Who do we believe???? Some anonymous warm-body on the other end of a phone line-who may or may not know what they are talking about or a real, live, breathing animal control officer???

Angie: Which department did you talk to when you called and who did you talk to?? Am not demeaning your effort; but I have gotten much erroneous information from phone calls to city officials. Ever try to get accurate info on the phone from the IRS ?????

The only way to be sure you have toe correct "skinny" is to check with the City Attorney's office and have them give you a copy of the appropriate ordinance. You just cannot trust a verbal statement made over the phone !!!!!!!

For whatever it is worth, I have always been under the impression that gliders were illegal in Dallas. Have had many people tell me that although I have never verified it with the City.

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#16699 - 01/20/04 04:31 PM Re: gliders are illegal in Dallas Tx!!!! [Re: ]
Anonymous
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You can also access current city ordinances over the net. I used to live in Duncanville so the "permit" thing struck a nerve. Sure enough, after just reading the ordinance it sounds as though a permit is definitely required! <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/shocked.gif" alt="" />

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#16700 - 01/20/04 04:34 PM Re: gliders are illegal in Dallas Tx!!!! [Re: ]
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<img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wave.gif" alt="" />
Well, I spoke with Molly Malone, a supervisor at animal control for the city of Dallas. She said they are considered "Pocket Pets" and we don't have to worry about our sugar gliders being confiscated. The numbers I called came from The Texas Dept of Health and are numbers for animal control for each city. I hope that helps.
Angie

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#16701 - 01/20/04 04:40 PM Re: gliders are illegal in Dallas Tx!!!! [Re: ]
Anonymous
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i saw on a website once that they were illegal in dallas too.. i'll have to find it.

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#16702 - 01/20/04 04:54 PM Re: gliders are illegal in Dallas Tx!!!! [Re: ]
Anonymous
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<img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wave.gif" alt="" />
Gee, I don't know, I called and thats what I was told. Maybe they don't consider sugar gliders under that clause, she said they consider them "Pocket Pets". If anyone wants to call, its animal control city of Dallas (214)670-8245, her name is Molly Malone. I went to the city of Irving animal control in person to talk to them. Since I am calling animal control and asking for a supervisor I am assuming they would know if sugar gliders are illegal or not. Not one person said "a what?" , they all knew what one was and gave me answers to my questions without any problems or run around.
Angie

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#16703 - 01/20/04 05:04 PM Re: gliders are illegal in Dallas Tx!!!! [Re: ]
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Dealing with city bureaucracy can be very frustrating !!! Whether they are legal or not in Dallas, apparently the city isn't too worried about them which is a good point. I have had several pet store owners tell me they don't sell gliders because they are illegal in Dallas. Would assume they researched the problem fairly thoroughly before deciding not to sell; but who knows for sure????

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#16704 - 01/20/04 06:33 PM Re: gliders are illegal in Dallas Tx!!!! [Re: ]
BMXgirl Offline
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Grrr, how confusing!!! <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/ohwell.gif" alt="" />
Ive had every vet Ive spoken to tell me they were legal (I would figure they would need to know?) I also called Animal Control, etc etc... and was told they were legal?!

Ahhh, how aggrevating and confusing!
Which is it I wonder? <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/nixweiss.gif" alt="" />
Sheesh... you would think there was a deffinate answer out there somewhere... (I can hear the X-Files music playing in my head...lol. The truth is out there! <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" /> )

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#16705 - 01/20/04 07:06 PM Re: gliders are illegal in Dallas Tx!!!! [Re: ]
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yeah its out there; and it's lame. all exotics are illegal in the city of dallas. a fellow outlaw told me about it cuz ferrets are under this too. all illegal in the city limits of dallas, not the county so you're cool Hope, so far as i know Grand Prairie is too dumb to even have an opinion! <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/thumb.gif" alt="" />
But i am certainly happy that you heard it out of a supervisors mouth (Ms. Malone is it?) that we have no worries. I gotta remember her name..... I have ways of running afoul of the law over the most inane things... <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/shakehead.gif" alt="" /> but a 670 number means City Hall! right on, this aint some yahoo at a substation going "yeah its cool, dont worry about it....". Thanx Angie!

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#16706 - 01/20/04 07:42 PM Re: gliders are illegal in Dallas Tx!!!! [Re: ]
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LOL...Jason...
And your right about G.P. ... yes we know how stupid the city can be. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/roflmao.gif" alt="" />

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#16707 - 01/20/04 08:24 PM Re: gliders are illegal in Dallas Tx!!!! [Re: ]
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I think I am confused. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/nixweiss.gif" alt="" /> How is it that MOST of you all in Dallas or in TX are USDA and that means someone from the USDA has to come to your home and see your gliders? And I have heard of no one that has had a problem with this? I really do understand it can be county to county but you would think as many gliders owners that are USDA SOMEONE would have said something <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/nixweiss.gif" alt="" />
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#16708 - 01/20/04 08:26 PM Re: gliders are illegal in Dallas Tx!!!! [Re: ]
Lucy Offline
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Registered: 02/14/01
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I want them to be legal, too -- but unless the ordinance has been re-written (and I would have think there would be plenty of media about exotic pet ordinances in this day and time), I don't see how they could be legal when the ordinance specifically names them as being illegal. The exclusions to the list are very clear --

This isn't like Pennsylvania, where it was never clear in writing. This IS clear in writing.

Clearly, they aren't enforcing the ordinance, and that's good news. But it's still a chance you take...
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#16709 - 01/20/04 08:35 PM Re: gliders are illegal in Dallas Tx!!!! [Re: ]
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</font><blockquote><font class="small">Quote:</font><hr />
......How is it that MOST of you all in Dallas or in TX are USDA and that means someone from the USDA has to come to your home and see your gliders.....

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A number of the people posting in this thread don't actually live in the City of Dallas only near Dallas. As to those who actually live in Dallas, I don't think any of them are USDA licensed.

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